Letters to the Editor: Friday, Nov. 22, 2008

Published: November 22, 2008

What was it about?

Since the election I’ve heard many African-Americans say, "We made it!” If this election wasn’t about race, what are they talking about? If John McCain had won, would everyone be saying we have an Anglo-American president?


President-elect Barack Obama

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In other elections where everyone is either Anglo-American, Hispanic-American or African-American, no one hollers, "We made it!” African-Americans have been in government for years. So if this is not about race, why are they making it about race?

Verna Klenk, Tuttle

The winning way

Barack Obama’s victory had nothing to do with speeches about the economy or health care or any other topic. He won because he registered minority voters who had never voted and he got out the voters on Election Day. Obama devised an elaborate scheme for getting out the vote. In Ohio, a key state, instead of volunteers assembling workers in 200 parking lots and union halls, he had 1,400 neighborhood teams, each assigned to 40 to 60 houses, calling on each household every week.

Elections are won by the party getting the most votes. Obama organized his workers to do just that.

Harry C. Marberry, Oklahoma City

It’s all tragic

Let’s take a deep breath before we start worrying about the return of the Ku Klux Klan. "Is the KKK making a comeback?” (news feature, Nov. 16) quotes the Anti-Defamation League as saying there are 4,000 to 5,000 Klan members in America. That’s bad, but 66 million people voted for Barack Obama. According to 2005 census figures, African-Americans make up nearly 40 million of the population. News outlets report the black vote was about 14 percent of the total electorate, with 95 percent of those going for Obama. If you subtract that figure from the president-elect’s popular vote total, you are still just a few hundred thousand shy of John McCain’s entire popular vote total. Sound like a country teetering on racism to you?

Racism is tragic, be it the type of racism our president-elect occasionally heard from a pulpit for 20 years at his Chicago church or the type of racism we read about concerning the KKK. It’s all tragic. Racists among us disparage our national character whether they are part of the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam or knuckle-dragging white supremacists.

David Hull, Yukon

Be fair and honest

While reading The Oklahoman’s recent coverage regarding the comeback of the Ku Klux Klan, I was saddened that such hatred is raising its ugly head in Oklahoma as well as in surrounding states. I find their behavior disgusting and frightening. However, by presenting only one side of racism, The Oklahoman as well as other media may be doing more to recruit members to the KKK than the KKK is doing.

There are racist and frightening actions on both sides of the issue; presenting only one side intimidates and puts those people on the defensive. I ask that the media be fair and honest with the racism issue.

Janice Cunningham, Oklahoma City

Especially scary

Sally C. Pipes’ "High court should reject vaccine suits” (Opinion, Nov. 12) presented a series of common misperceptions. The major pharmaceutical companies have been around for over 150 years, vaccine production has gone on longer than that and lawsuits have gone on even longer. If litigation were somehow harming vaccine production, drug companies would be having a difficult time developing new products. The evidence suggests otherwise.

Despite litigation by consumers injured by unsafe drugs, this industry continues to pour money into new product development, including vaccines. Even during this period of economic downturn, its profits continue to soar. In fact, the drug industry now stands as the nation’s third-most profitable.

Furthermore, when talking about the U.S. Supreme Court case Wyeth v. Levine, it’s important to point out what’s at stake — total immunity for pharmaceutical companies that produce dangerous drugs merely because that drug initially meets minimal government standards. This is an especially scary prospect given that even FDA experts admit they don’t always get it right.

Drug companies have always had great success innovating and competing. Holding negligent drug companies accountable never has and never will stifle vaccine production. It will only make children safer.

Andy Hoffman, New York, N.Y.

Hoffman is an attorney and policy analyst for the Center for Justice & Democracy, a trial lawyer group that opposes tort reform.


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I agree James. No government should force shots into babies.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 23, 2008 at 12:08 am
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Just like unions, I am sure vaccines served a more important purpose at one time and especially in other countries. And I am not saying stop giving vaccines, though it should be readily researched and a better way found. I am saying, first, children should be given a physical for allergies and immune system before given vaccines. And they should use alternate schedules, which includes staggered doses at older ages.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 23, 2008 at 12:08 am
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Same thing, Sallie. All is good. I summed up your three words with one word. :) You are awesome.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 23, 2008 at 12:05 am
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Sallie i do agree, vaccines have done a great deal to wipe out some of the worst diseases that have ever inflicted misery on the human race. Most people given the choice would still give their child the full spread of available vaccines. My point about parental choice still stands. Would 10% of the population opting out of many vaccines herald a new age of smallpox? or mumps? or measles? probably not. Parents should be able to make the desicions about their childs health instead of a government agency deciding whats best for the child For Them.
james, oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Jack, I was only referring to the lead additive called Thimerol (sp). It is the only one the e-mails I was getting from an autism site were blaming. It seems you have done a lot of studying. The group sending the e-mails were having trouble getting insurance to help pay for medical bills from insurance and if I remember correctly, they had gathered at the state capital arguing with Republican legislators that were holding up state funding earlier this year. I deleted their e-mail address by mistake. I think it was autismadvocate???
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Disease Baseline 20th century annual morbidity 1998 Provisional morbidity % Decrease Smallpox 48,164a 0 100% Diphtheria 175,885b 1 100%c Pertussis 147,271d 6,279 95.7% in 1900, 21,064 smallpox cases were reported, and 894 patients died(1). In 1920, 469,924 measles cases were reported, and 7,575 patients died; 147,991 diphtheria ca Tetanus 1,314e 34 97.4% Poliomyelitis (paralytic) 16,316f 0g 100% Measles 503,282h 89 100%c Mumps 152,209i 606 99.6% Rubella 47,745j 345 99.3% Congenital rubella syndrome 823k 5 99.4% Haemophilus influenzae type b 20,000l 54m 99.7% ses were reported, and 13,170 patients died. In 1922, 107,473 pertussis cases were reported, and 5,099 patients died(2,3). At the beginning of the 20th century, infectious diseases were widely prevalent in the United States and exacted an enormous toll on the population. For example, in 1900, 21,064 smallpox cases were reported, and 894 patients died(1). In 1920, 469,924 measles cases were reported, and 7,575 patients died; 147,991 diphtheria cases were reported, and 13,170 patients died. In 1922, 107,473 pertussis cases were reported, and 5,099 patients died(2,3). In 1900, few effective treatment and preventive measures existed to prevent infectious diseases. Although the first vaccine against smallpox was developed in 1796, more than 100 years later its use had not been widespread enough to fully control the disease(4). Four other vaccines - against rabies, typhoid, cholera, and plague - had been developed late in the 19th century but were not used widely by 1900. I will read your site if you read this. And since when do you and I debate? I thought we had discussions and conversation and an exchange of points of view.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:27 pm
If you care to know, read this page. If you care to debate, read this page. http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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I could never look at myself in the mirror if I allowed my child to get the vaccine and then 6 hours later is has autism.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:19 pm
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James, Jack....vaccines can be dangerous true enough. The near wipe-out of small pox and polio worldwide should account for something. Yes?No? Were your children or grandchildren give innoculations? (sorry guys, I do not know your status and if I am wrong on the child or grandchild part, my apologies)? One thing....if the government did not sponser/regulate this program, then the good old AMA and insurance companies would hop on the bandwagon and charge $25.00 to $50.00 per shot and leave most kids at risk of these almost forgotten but still very deadly viruses.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Floyd. The evidence is overwhelming that vaccines cause autism. Stay off of government sites and big drug sites and you will find the truth. Nonetheless, here are the poisons. Adjuvants Aluminium Squalene Freund's (FCA) MF59 Sodium borate Preservatives: Alcohols Glycerine Neomycin 2-phenoxyethanol (2-PE) Streptomycin Polymyxin B Mercury Formaldehyde Stabiliser/solvent: Tween 80 Bovine Human fetal cells Gelatin Methiolate Monkey kidney cells Msg Phenol Contaminants
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 pm
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There is not drug on this planet created by man that should be injected into a person during Government inoculation. Every baby should be screened for weak immune systems before the assembly line of vaccines are injected, at the least. Every parent should have a say in what is injected into their body and their baby's body.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:06 pm
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Autism is the one we can prove. What is causing the onslaught of children problems? Vaccines. Death soup should not be given to a child on one juiced up needle as soon as they come into this world. It is syrup death.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:03 pm
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Should it be up to the government or the parents to decide what is the greatist risk to a childs health. The way things stand now the parents have no voice in the process. The law says that every child WILL get certain vaccinations and they will get them or the parents will get punished. I personally believe that if a childs parents believe that vaccinations are too much of a risk for their child they should be able to say NO. Some parents would opt out of some vaccinations but most would follow the recommendations. My problem is that the way things are now parents do not have a choice in the matter.
james, oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 11:24 am
Floyd and Sallie - There are times I still like Vienna sausages with crackers. And I still sometimes like sardines and crackers. Get a good hot pepper and died Dr Pepper and I can be happy at times
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 22, 2008 at 10:54 am
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Sallie, You've mentioned Vienna sausage before. It was very common in the late 50s and early 60s for poor college students like me and my older brother to eat Spam and grape jelly sandwiches, bananas at 3 cents per pound, pizza at 80 cents (Hidaway) , a doughnut and cup of coffee for breakfast for 5-10 cents, and the sausages, other kids would eat canned cat food. Did you ever read the ingredients of the sausage back then? It has been changed since. It had throw away parts such as ground lungs in it. My older brother at 69 is one of the healthiest people I know at that age and still runs 4 or more miles per day. I raced until I was 62 and my arthritis stopped me. I've broken over a dozen bones working and now it causes me pain. But all that filthy, nasty stuff that is called food didn't have anything to do with it. I'd hate to live to 900 in this world anyhow.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 10:43 am
Floyd, I have a cook book from 1934 that gives a recipe and instructions on how to roast a boar's head. Nummy....ppfftt
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 10:41 am
Sallie, When we moved from Wisconsin where my dad had a good paying union job, to squalor, dad would hunt for food with his single shot 12 gauge shotgun and we lived on what he could shoot, or what we could raise. So we had plenty of milk, pig, rabbits, squirrels, possums, raccoons, chickens, and sometime even cattle. Without electricity, it was what he gathered each day. With the $400 per year we lived on we bought 50 pound bags of flour, corn meal etc. We always had to strain the flour to get the weevils out. We never went hungry and felt very blessed. Transportation was from 2 old Chevy cars he bought for $15 and $20 and spliced them together. He made a trailer from a Model T frame to pull behind the car, No tag, no insurance. Oh for the "good old days." NOT!!! But we were happy. Why?
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 10:03 am
Floyd, please do not say that you are going to join the food police! Top Ramen sucks, but if that is all you have then it is good. If we were not blessed with the financial ability to buy a variety of foods I would break down and eat a nasty Vienna Sausage. lol I still eat pork fat and Ding-Dongs. Well, sometimes, not often.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 9:40 am
Jack and james. I was getting Autism updates. I also believed that the lead in vaccines caused Autism until I read almost every site on the internut and there has been no conclusive evidence. The evidence for MSG-monosodium glutamate- has shown it causes mental problems and I started eating a few packs on Ramen noodles per day when my wife was sick for a couple of weeks and had to go to a Dr. because of migraine headaches. I quit eating MSG and haven't had a migraine for months. It is BAD news!
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 22, 2008 at 9:24 am
james, okc....I had a sister who (suspected at the time, no proof)died from vaccines back in the 60's (she was 1 year and 3 months old) and it was devastating to our family and 40 years later I can cry really fast if I think about it for very long. However 3 more of my siblings were never taken ill by the by the viruses mentioned. I have no answer to the devastation of autism on a family, but death I understand. It is not "easy" james....
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 8:36 am
Its easy to say that vaccines save more lives than they cost. At least its easy to say untill a vacccine causes severe autisim in your child and you are left with a child who may never be able to take care of himself. 1 in 150 children have autisim and the numbers are growing higher every year. Forcing parents to give their child a dozen vaccines and put their child at risk is not the best option for a free society.
james, oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 8:20 am
Sorry, left out polio.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 6:29 am
Jack, OKC...I to feel that a total lack of restraint on drug companies, insurance companie and the AMA should be changed, but vaccines save more kids than they kill. Smallpox, diptheria, measles would run rampant again without these vaccines. These diseases killed many people, young and old. We have no perfect medicines but some save populations from these viruses.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 22, 2008 at 6:29 am
Vaccines kill children. Autism is a direct cause of vaccines. Big drug is creating steady income for their stocks by making every child take multiple vaccines. The more in the soup, the more it costs. When a new additive is mixed into the vaccine, it means a higher profit to their stocks. Vaccines are nothing but a money maker for the drug companies. This is why drug companies do not create cures, they create drugs that masks the problems with a pill a day. Yes, vaccines are pushed harder than ever during economical downturns, because this is the only drug on the planet that is legally forced into a human body. Steady income.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:37 am
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Like I said, blacks now own the democrat party and will be the majority of the party within ten years. We will be a party of blacks versus whites. Blacks have created another divide for themselves. No matter how much we reach out, they slap our hands.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:31 am
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Harry, black people are racists. Most black people voted for Obama because he is black, thus making their choice based on the color of their skin, thus making them racists. It amazes me how people called white people racists because they were voting for McCain, but black people voting for Obama were doing it based on sound decisions. What a joke. The white race will be snuffed out in due time.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:29 am
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Verna, this election was about nothing but race. He won because he is black. Obama stands for nothing but a black man in the white house.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:27 am
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Obama on board with China's 'forced abortion' plan Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 11/20/2008 8:15:00 AMBookmark and Share baby ultrasoundTaxpayer-funded abortion will likely increase through president-elect Barack Obama's pledged support of the United Nations Population Fund. President-elect Obama is expected to issue a stack of executive orders on his first day in office. Steven Mosher of the Population Research Institute (PRI) defines, in his own words, what that means. "If character is what you do when no one is looking, executive orders are what a president does without the consent of the public or even needing the consent of the Congress," he says. "He can do these things on his own authority." Mosher believes one of the first orders will most certainly designate American tax dollars for the United Nations Population Fund, which PRI investigated and proved was being misused in China seven years ago. PRI's 2001 report called "UNFPA, China, and Coercive Family Planning" discusses research conducted in Sihui County. "We sent investigators to China to look into the U.N. Population Fund's continuing involvement with forced abortions in China," he explains. "We gathered the evidence that showed that they were complicit, they were absolutely involved in forced abortions and forced sterilizations." Steve Mosher PRI According to a PRI article, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell felt compelled to send a research team to China to investigate PRI's findings, which Powell's team verified as true. Powell then urged the Bush administration to halt funding for the Population Fund. "President-elect Obama and his supporters blame the Bush administration for this decision," Mosher notes. "But in fact it was Colin Powell, who is no friend of social conservatives and who recently endorsed Obama for President, who made this call." Even so, Mosher believes Obama will reverse Bush's order and financially condone "China's population control police as they drag women off for forced abortions and forced sterilizations."
Jack, Oklahoma city - Nov 22, 2008 at 12:26 am
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