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David Stanley Ford

Letters to the Editor: Friday, November 6, 2009

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Published: November 6, 2009

Disclosure urged
Regarding "Gamblers begin to question Oklahoma casinos’ lack of payback rules” (McClatchy-Tribune Information Services news story, Oct. 27): It’s ridiculous that casinos don’t have to release their percentage payouts to the public. Having visited a majority of the casinos in this state, I’ve observed a lot of retirees who enjoy gambling. Some have lost their life savings. It’s only fair that they as well as everyone else should know what their chances of winning are. I’d estimate the figure to be near 13 percent and perhaps less.

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The article states the percentage isn’t disclosed for competitive reasons. That’s exactly the reason it should be disclosed! This puts the competitive edge in the casino’s favor and denies the patron the right to know what the odds of winning are. Competition keeps us at our best. Why would the casinos desire to hide this information? Perhaps it’s time for the Oklahoma Tribal-State Gaming Compact to be reviewed.

Cynthia Evans, Talala

Perspective needed
In response to Toni Hulin (Your Views, Oct. 31): Yes, perspective is needed. Public school teachers have sacrificed to get educated and licensed. A first-year teacher’s salary is $31,600; the scale for a 10th-year teacher with a master’s degree is $37,575. This hardly puts them in an "elite” class. Most educators could earn more in similarly educated positions in private industry. Remember these examples and, yes, put them in perspective.

Marcus Stanfill, Choctaw

Luckier than most
Regarding "State historical society to cut 30 jobs” (news story, Oct. 29): Numerous news stories recently have reported on budget cutbacks within our local and state governments. In most of these articles, those interviewed painted a grim picture of what Oklahoma’s future holds as a result of these cuts. Although unfortunate, it’s difficult to comprehend that a reduction of 30 employees at the State Historical Society will have much of an impact on Oklahoma’s overall well-being, or that closing some historical sites such as the Peter Conser Home in Heavener will cause any noticeable public outcry.

Perhaps unintentionally, Oklahoma has been luckier than many states; historically, we’ve kept government spending in check. Because our state government has been fiscally conservative, we don’t have to make drastic and damaging cutbacks today. On several occasions, Gov. Henry cut budgets and resisted the temptation to dip into the Rainy Day Fund — which is why it’s still available for the real emergency yet to come. The private sector has had to make dramatic cuts in budgets and personnel to stay in business.

It’s time that our elected officials and state employees realize that they’re not insulated from the economic realities that affect us all.

Gregg Tunison, Edmond

Do your homework
Regarding "Activists target smoking loopholes” (news story, Oct. 30): Oklahoma bar and restaurant owners act as if our state would be the first and only one to go smoke-free in public venues. Far from it. If Jim Hopper, president of the Oklahoma Restaurant Association, wants to eliminate his members’ concerns about losing business if a smoking ban is enacted, he should contact any other restaurant association president in a state with a similar ban. He’d learn that profits at a majority of restaurants have actually increased.

The New York Times archives include articles printed before New York City’s ban was enacted. Get the names of all the interviewed restaurant owners who were worried about their restaurant’s potential profit losses. Call those same owners today and ask them how their profits are doing since the ban. Do your homework. And when your post-ban profits increase, remember to thank the groups that pushed for the ban.

Jim Hester, Midwest City

Hester is associate dean for the Business & Information Technology Division at Rose State College.

Envy is evil
Most adults know the definition and effects of envy. According to one economist, two-thirds of the nation’s total income gains from 2002 to 2007 flowed to the top 1 percent of U.S. households. Good for them! If that’s what you want, get up and go for it while you still have a chance. Only envious people will try to make a big deal from this. Envy is evil and wastes the mind. No good can come from envy.

Ronald Young, Moore

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No, envy is the food of Progressives . They want everyone to share the wealth of someone elses gains. Michael Moore is the perfect example he crowns captalism as evil and wealth should be shared except his wealth that he gained through capitalism. He has yet to donate his wealth to any group or anyone. Oh the hypocrisy why doesn't Obama call out his senior advisor in Valerie Jarret the slumlord millionaire that receives taxpayer subsidies for the filth she makes people live in. The poor in Chicago would love to share in Jarrets wealth or just a clean place to live with running water through plumbing and not the roof would suffice. Go Figure!!
jeff, Harrah - Nov 6, 2009 at 4:56 pm
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Ronald Young, envy is the fertilizer of capitalism.
John, Norman - Nov 6, 2009 at 4:45 pm
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Bert, I agree.
jeff, Harrah - Nov 6, 2009 at 1:17 pm
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The Plight of the teachers-coming soon to a theatre near you. The tried to teach but the violence and blood and animal noises in the darkness of a hallway sent them running into the abyss and no one has seen them since. This movie is rated G for Garbage!
jeff, Harrah - Nov 6, 2009 at 1:14 pm
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Jeff And there is not enough money in this state for me to allow milkman to teach any off spring of mine.I wanted them to get an education.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 1:11 pm
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Jeff It was a great series. And Mo still has it. He must have ice water in his veins. They picked the correct Most Valuable Player this time.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 1:10 pm
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Bert, I have never seen or heard so many Mooncalfs as I have today. Bert wasn't that series a good one, yeah New York Yankees, old MO still a stud!!
jeff, Harrah - Nov 6, 2009 at 1:04 pm
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I guess some of you need more education to comprehend what was said. I said I wasn't saying that teachers shouldn't be paid more but it's not that bad. Don't become a teacher if you can't handle kids. Isn't it amusing how so many know me all so well and my Children. Let me say this all my children had 3.2 or higher. None were ever called into princicples office or punished all have graduated college one is a teacher. Is there any other legitimate questions I need to address for these Dolts.
jeff, Harrah - Nov 6, 2009 at 1:02 pm
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Bert, I thought you had me on ignore. Did curiosity get the best of you? It gets pretty boring in Henryetta doesn't it?
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:45 am
Milkman You are the proverbial liberal. No ideas of your own you sure know how to parrot something someone else has said.If it was not for Chris you would never have thoght to say those words. A blind follower you are proven to be
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:34 am
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It would take a lot of money for me to teach kids with parents like Jeff. I'd never make it. They would throw me out in a few weeks.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:22 am
"..their gig ain't bad." Another brilliant quote from Jeff, a man so smart he knows everything about everything. Just ask him. Until you can understand the plight of many teachers you have to know one first. Then you would hear the stories about having to deal with 2 to 3 children with severe problems and still keep control of your classroom and teach all of your kids. The parents that don't care. The parents (probably one like Jeff, Harrah) that refuse to believe their child isn't perfect when a teacher tries to address a problem with them. The kid that says he's tired because mommy and her boyfriend had a party all night long. The occasional parent that refuses to attend a parent/teacher meeting. The kids that have dirty faces and didn't get a meal last night. Because of the lack of funding, a kid with full blown ADD bounces off the walls all day in a regular classroom. You couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher. What's wrong with a teacher being able to make enough money to live a decent middle-class life?
Chris, Warr Acres - Nov 6, 2009 at 11:10 am
jeff, Harrah: If the gig ain't bad, why are school districts struggling to find teachers in Oklahoma? We still have hundreds of prospective teachers graduating our colleges and universities every year. Where do they go? Many are not staying in Oklahoma because they can make much more money teaching in other states. I have seen many good experienced teachers leave the teaching profession for the private sector because they can earn much more money.

Most teachers' contracts run from around August 1 - May 31 or so and are a ten month contract. That would mean a teacher making $35K on a ten month contract would equate to one making $42,000 on a twelve month contract. Still way low for a degreed, certified professional with several years of experience.
MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 10:41 am
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Gery - It's just your kind of thinking that keeps the issue of teacher pay from being resolved. Do you think that if teachers didn't teach, all they could do is dig a ditch? These are college-educated, professionally certified professionals - just the kind of people I want teching my child. The only problem that morons like you don't understand is that you have to step up and pay for that quality.

Tell me - why is it that our legilslatures think "Let's do this as cheap as possible" and then are surprised when they don't get the results they want? And I'm not talking just about education.
Michael, Yukon - Nov 6, 2009 at 9:37 am
You know, I could go years and not hear a word about salaries from teachers except at the fall meeting when insurance adjustments and all that stuff has to be discussed. Then it was over. The OEA and the newspapers keep hammering on it, not the individual teachers as a rule. Teachers want willing students, supportive parents and an administration that is helpful and will back them when necessary.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 6, 2009 at 9:01 am
why do teachers stay teaching if the pay and benefits are so bad? go get a job digging ditches. according to your union, they make more money. if you are doing it for the kids, then keep quite and do your job.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:37 am
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The time a teacher works in comparison with other occupations does create the appearance of very little time and salary commnsurate thereto. However, how many of the complainers are willing to step up, lock themselves in a room for eight hours with a classful of kids, especially today, and then merrily say you are paid enough for the time worked. Think about it. Many who complain would not last 30 minutes in a typical school day.
Egale, BC - Nov 6, 2009 at 8:22 am
MARCUS STANFILL, I guess perspective should be of time worked which would actually be around 4,000. per month. I know some will say teachers take work home like grading papers but still, they are off 2 weeks during christmas and 3 months during summer, not to mention many holidays fall breaks and spring breaks. I'm not sayig teachers shouldn't be paid more, but their gig ain't bad.
jeff, Harrah - Nov 6, 2009 at 6:33 am
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To translate Mr. Young's letter: "Let them eat cake."
Stephen, Ada - Nov 6, 2009 at 5:47 am

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