Letters to the Editor: Friday, Sept. 5, 2008
Letters to the Editor: Friday, Sept. 5, 2008

Published: September 5, 2008

We can drill our way out of problem
It's trendy for some people to say we must end our "addiction” to oil. They claim it will take decades for us to produce enough to reduce gasoline pump prices even a few cents. These folks say we have to develop all of the alternative fuel sources, although those will take decades to make a dent, too. By just talking about drilling more off our coasts, the price of crude has fallen about $35 a barrel. And oil business people have stated that significant production can start within five years if they have access to productive fields.

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Other options can and should be tried, but if we develop what experts tell us regarding our potential deposits in oil, shale, natural gas, coal, etc., we can drill our way out of this problem. We all need petroleum products and we can safely have them if we won't be so jealous of profits, which overall are not that high, considering research and development, taxes and operating expenses. I'm grateful for all of the oil companies — big, medium and small.

Joe Ralls, Moore

Research easy
Mike Jones (Your Views, Aug. 28) wrote that "Mr. and Mrs. Average American” are too busy to do political research. I disagree. With the Internet and Web sites like procon.org and candidate Web sites, it's easy to do a little research. As for Fox News, Jones needs to look more into Rupert Murdoch and his practices. A scathing look at Fox can be found in the documentary "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism.” Noam Chomsky and the makers of the film "Myth of the Liberal Media” do a great job of presenting a clear picture of how the media operate. Sure, these can be labeled as "liberal” movies, but they're telling the truth, however liberal it may seem.

Finally, maybe it's time we ended partisan bickering and tried working together.

Clinton Hays, Oklahoma City

The "Outfoxed” movie is distributed by Moveon.org.

Dysfunctional club
Our Congress has degenerated to an exclusive club whose members are not subject to the same rules that we, the unwashed masses, must adhere to. Most of the time we never find out, but occasionally a member gets caught accepting a sweetheart deal, squandering taxpayer money or otherwise lining either his own pockets or those of his friends/family members. Then, in nearly all cases, the issue is swept away and no action is taken because the exclusive club takes care of its own. And why wouldn't they? They don't want to interfere with club privileges. A little bribery and graft might be acceptable if, at the same time, they were doing a good job. But they're not doing any job at all.

Congress is now almost completely dysfunctional and ineffective. Most of their energy is devoted to playing "gotcha” with the opposing party and getting themselves re-elected. Their 12 percent to 15 percent approval rating is probably fairly indicative of how many members are actually doing the job they were elected to do.

So, how in the world did we end up with three members of this dysfunctional club among the four candidates on the presidential tickets?

Jim Mosley, Del City

Parking concern
With all the congratulatory backslaps going on over the planned Devon building, I hope the Oklahoma City Council realizes the need for downtown parking and doesn't sell the latest parking garage next to the new downtown library. Because of the parking fiasco in Bricktown, I frequent that area once a year or less.

Downtown parking is a problem and it makes no sense to displace visitors, current downtown workers or library patrons for relocated workers of Devon.

Michael Kessler, Midwest City

Your Views: Sarah Palin

Appeals to dysfunctional families
The pollsters may not know it yet but vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has just won the election for the GOP. She alone, of all the candidates, can now appeal to the largest voting block in the country today — dysfunctional American families. How many parents have agonized over the unhappy predicament of an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter or suffered the heartbreak of a young daughter or son abusing alcohol or drugs? Now they can say to themselves, "Sarah Palin knows what we're going through” or "Sarah can empathize with us and our family problems.”

The rest of us who are parents or ever helped raise a child to adulthood can only say, "There but for the grace of God go I.”

Doris Cornell, Oklahoma City

Where are they?
Apparently, the idea that a qualified Republican female could be vice president (and someday perhaps president) just is outside the thinking universe of liberal women, including the leftish women's rights movement. Where are they today in defense of Gov. Sarah Palin? It's apparently OK for Democrat women to have a family and yet choose a time-consuming political career. But when a Republican woman does it, headlines like this start popping up: "Palin chooses ambition over family” or "How can Palin ignore her disabled child?”

And of course she is being vilified for carrying a Down syndrome baby to full term and keeping it, instead of the infanticide Barack Obama supported as an Illinois state senator. More importantly, the left apparently doesn't think a Republican woman can "multitask.”

Kenneth R. Webster, Edmond

Debate shuffle
We need a debate between Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama. That would be a great matchup: Similar in age and experience. Both outsiders to Washington. Then we could have Democrat Joe Biden and Republican John McCain debate each other. They're similar in age and experience and are both insiders to Washington. That would make for much more interesting debates.

Greg Clift, Anadarko

Worrisome trait
Obviously Sarah Palin's appointment caught everyone by surprise. However, as running mate, she did her job for John McCain by pulling attention away from Barack Obama's speech the night before. Due to her lack of profile beyond Alaska and limited political resume, it's hard to fairly assess her until the media (both sides) have done their job.

However, I think it's legitimate to comment on McCain's judgment in picking her. It turns out that they'd only ever spoken once, until he called her about a week ago to raise the vice president idea. This suggests that McCain either sees the vice president as inconsequential, works in a nonrelational manner or has failed to build any substantive relationships with any other Republicans in the 27 years he's been in office.

More worryingly, it demonstrates a disconcerting trait in someone who wants to be president, namely that he's willing to throw the dice and take enormous gambles. This seems to call into question his claim to be an experienced, steady, stable leader with calm and reasoned judgment in decision making.

Alex Absalom, Edmond

Theory substantiated
I admit to being a "Yellow Dog” Democrat and vote that way most of the time. After reading quotes in the media and listening to many of the talking heads on television about John McCain's pick for the vice presidential candidate, a long-suspected theory is substantiated. There are also Yellow Dog Republicans.

Rodney Walker, Midwest City

Polar opposite
Regarding "Madame chairwoman: Palin's energy ties good for Oklahoma” (Our Views, Sept. 2): Just because it was Alaska's turn for its governor to be chairman of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, that doesn't mean Sarah Palin is good for the domestic industry. Far from it.

Her predecessor as governor, Republican Frank Murkowski, had signed an agreement to freeze state taxes at a level that would encourage building of the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline to supply clean energy both to Alaska and the lower 48. Palin made good on her promise to trash that agreement and sponsored a doubling of the "government take” of oil and gas revenues by the state. She then sponsored the bill that, by her selection, will give a Canadian company $500 million to "study” the same gas line project, with no guarantee that it will ever be built. This amounts to a half billion-dollar shift in revenues from domestic operators to the use of a non-U.S. company.

To their credit, the three main companies operating on the North Slope refused to apply for this government tax-and-giveaway scheme, stating that the gas line project should succeed or fail on its own economic merits. Palin is an example of a politician parading as a conservative, but who on economic matters is truly the polar opposite.

Mike Wofford, Oklahoma City

Something to know
A lot of talk is going on about the experience or lack of experience of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. People need to realize that some people in government with 40 years of experience have really had only one year of experience 40 times.

Raymond M. Perkins, Oklahoma City


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Which horse is drawing the wagon? Male or female?
Sallie, Del City - Sep 6, 2008 at 9:13 am
It's like I said Marilyn, the republicans use abortion to keep the flock voting for them. They will not pass one piece of legistlation or anything to curtail it. They don't won't to. Why would one remove the dangling carrot that keeps the horse drawing the wagon?
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Yes, R&V and I have a website called media matters which shows it to be the exact opposite. Shall I provide you an example, like you failed to provide me. You're right about the liberal talk shows. We don't need to listen to that daily clap trap as we have minds of our own. Plus, we dominate the blogosphere. I read one called crooksandliars.com for example. From what they post, I make up my mind. No one TELLS ME HOW TO THINK like you guys. Plus, it's a much more fair representation as they post entire quotes or documents instead of simply quoting someone out of context to prove a point..i.e. (Rush, Faux, Shammity, You). As for Rush and excepting calls of opposing views, I'm not talking about letting ppl call only to interrupt and cut them off, I'm talking about a real discourse. I invite you to listen to Ed Schultz. A real quality radio show and it's progressive and well listened to. Again, thank GOD for liberal media so we get the truth! If left Faux, we would think that our troops are stuck in Iraq cause the Iraqis want to give them a celebration vacation...lol. Please, R&V, you're not fooling anyone and, since you fail at objectivity, why should I even try to be objective.
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Kenneth Webster wonders where the liberals are who support Sarah Palin's decision to be in politics AND have a family. Over here! And exactly who is it vilifying her? Nobody I know, and I'm a dyed-in-the-wool ex-hippy Liberal (with a capital L). Kenneth, you just made that up!
Beverly, Choctaw - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Ron and Vicki, how badly do you not want the choice of abortion legally available for women? I emphasize the word choice because no one is being forced to have one. This is what I don't understand....George W. Bush, whose election is owed pretty much to the evangelical vote, has been in office almost 8 years. For the first consecutive 6 years of his Presidency, there was a Republican majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate. Six of the 9 Supreme Court Justices at that time were appointees of Republican Presidents, meaning conservative. The voice of the Christian Coalition, the pure conservatives, the most anti-abortion minded, had complete control. Yet, there was no real attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade. There was no national movement spear-headed by these groups to finally get their mission accomplished. What were James Dobson, Richard Land and their peers discussing with George Bush in their many meetings at the White House? Did you not notice the unanimous group of pro-lifers in Washington DC, who held the entire deck of cards in their hands, were ignoring this issue you hold most sacred? During that time did you direct your Republican Congressman, Republican Senator, to light the fire in Washington? For abortion to be the major issue, perhaps the only issue, to determine who you select as President of the United States, that you love so dearly, how could it go completely unattended to for SIX YEARS??? So let's get honest here for once. The people who want to beat their breasts in agony over the idea that babies are being killed and they want to blame someone need only look in their own mirror. Then ask yourself, what is it you really are voting for, or against?
Marilyn, Seminole - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:18 pm
NYB and Ryan: What kind of "change" are you looking for? Karl Marx said, in 1875, "From those that have the ability to those that have the need." That means "steal from the rich and give the bounty to the poor." Is that the kind of change we want? Obama wants higher taxes, abortion and infanticide, retreat, and appeasement. He opposes oil drilling, new refineries, and nuclear power. What possible good can those things do? His associations with Rev. Wright and an unrepentant terrorist bomber do not speak well of where his loyalties might lie. He won't wear an American flag lapel pin, he won't allow an American flag on his aircraft, and he won't hold his hand on his heart when the Star Spangled Banner is played. And he has less executive and legislative experience than vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palen.
Ron and Vicki, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Gregory: You said, "lol..R&V..nice try, but, most logical thinking folks do not buy that same ole' claptrap propaganda about the liberal media this and media bias." You are mistaken. An organization called Media Research Council (formerly Accuracy in the Media) runs daily tallies on biased or distorted reporting, and the numbers against the major networks are astronomical. You said, "Faux is about as fair and balanced as..well..as, you are...lol." Why do liberals feel so compelled to resort to smear, insult, and name calling? Is incivility all they know? You said, "AS for the free speech issue, every liberal radio show/blog/or newspaper I read or listen to, allows ALL voices even those that disagree with them." There aren't many liberal talk shows; they can't get advertisers, because no one listens. And if liberals are so fair, why does Nancy Pelosi want to silence conservative speech by reinstating the "Fairness Doctrine? You said, "I don't think you can say that aabout Faux News or Limpbaugh or Shammity or Bill O'liesly..etc..etc." It's FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilley. And you left out the FOX liberals, Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, Geraldo Rivera, and a half-dozen others. Limbaugh, in particular, accepts liberal callers and is very courteous to them. They are valuable to Rush, because it stimulates conservative callers.
Ron and Vicki, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Gregory, A few days ago Chris was saying how much slower it is this year than last. And thank you for your words . What someone says about me does not bother me very much
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:43 pm
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Marilyn, No problem
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:41 pm
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My apologies, Bert. I should not have put words in your mouth.
Marilyn, Seminole - Sep 5, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Bert, him turning down a profit is not entireably out of the realm of possiblity. If someone has enough business, they can afford that luxory. I worked at an engineering firm where we had to do that. It was feast or famine. Everybody just seemed to want their projects done at the same time...
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Oh come now! Bert and I disagree on most issues but, I think the man has integrity. Folks, we can debate w/o getting personal. It's not needed.
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Chris, how ironic that someone with so little integrity has the nerve to question yours or anyone else’s.
B, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 6:30 pm
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Chris, The first line should read , If you think for 1 minute that I believe you turned down a custom house because you did not like the guy forget it.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 6:24 pm
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Marilyn The criteria that i stated was not mine but some other reporter in the news
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 6:16 pm
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Chris, If you think for 1 minute I believe you turned down a custom house because you did not like the guy. If there was any profit in it you would have built it or possibly he decided on another builder. But do not try to spin that you turned it down for the reasons you stated.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 6:15 pm
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Yes, Bert, I know that your criteria as stated in your post would leave out Obama. My point was that,prior to Palin being selected as the running mate for McCain, your criteria obviously wasn't the determining factor for the voters who pared the two main candidates down to McCain and Obama.
Marilyn, Seminole - Sep 5, 2008 at 5:58 pm
sorry for double post.
K, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 5:22 pm
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Ryan, thanks for your concern. That is not the only reason I am voting for OBAMA/BIDEN. I think they offer more change that McCain will be allowed to give. Anything less than a complete overhaul will be failure. The GOP isn't going to let him do that. For people voting for him just because he was a POW makes about as much sense for what you inferred.
K, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 5:20 pm
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Ryan, thanks for your concern. That is not the only reason I am voting for OBAMA/BIDEN. I think they offer more change that McCain will be allowed to give. Anything less than a complete overhaul will be failure. The GOP isn't going to let him do that. For people voting for him just because he was a POW makes about as much sense for what you inferred.
K, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 5:20 pm
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Gregory Peck once said that if he had to tell you he was famous, then he wasn't. Same goes for an organization that has to tell me that they are "fair and balanced."
B, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:59 pm
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...or even this paper..the jOklahoman. Thank God for the liberal media!! Otherwise, we would never get the truth!
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:27 pm
lol..R&V..nice try, but, most logical thinking folks do not buy that same ole' claptrap propaganda about the liberal media this and media bias. Nice try though. Faux is about as fair and balanced as..well..as, you are...lol. AS for the free speech issue, every liberal radio show/blog/or newspaper I read or listen to, allows ALL voices even those that disagree with them. I don't think you can say that aabout Faux News or Limpbaugh or Shammity or Bill O'liesly..etc..etc.
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Hello, Robert..I'm Kettle. It's nice to finally meet you, Mr. Pot..duh!
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Clinton Hays' letter about research seemed to be a direction toward left-wing propaganda outlets, and a smear on FOX news. Web sources for political information are often unreliable, and rarely without an agenda. FOX news has a number of liberal conributors and commentators. How many conservatives are given fair voice or treatment on ABC, CBS, NBC, the NY Times, etc? The liberal bias is outrageously obvious and becoming better known to the public every day. Liberalism just can't handle free speech in the form of honest criticism. Conservatism has only FOX, talk radio, and a handful of newspapers. Liberalism controls most all the rest.
Ron and Vicki, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I love it when Liberals claim to be outraged about lies, ethics, and morals. Of course that's only when a Republican does it LOL.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Kenneth Websters letter is typical "liberal media..this..that..and the other". Please, someone, point me to a headline that says what he said! I doubt you'll find one. This is a smoke screen created by the ole' Rove republican play team designed to bully the media into not asking pertinent questions regarding Pallin and, for the most part, it's worked. No one is talking about how she's dishonest about her involvement in the "bridge to no where" or the ethics investigation as well as other FACTS that have come to light but, only in liberal blogs.
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 3:44 pm
AngelGirl, I'm not sure Ms. Cornell's letter is an endorsement of Palin....What's everyone else's take on that?
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Stephen, this is just a gut feeling I have based on the "old" McCain and his speech last night. It is a fact though that McCain did not get to "pick" his VP nominee and Palin was chosen primarily for her appeal to the religious right nut-jobs. That IS pretty scary in light of his age and their agenda. Everyone needs to keep in mind though that both conventions are no more than Pep-assemblies for their parties and I will have to hear more about what McCain wants to do domestically and specifically with the economy. But some of these neo-cons might very well have wished they hadn't messed with John McCain in 2000 only to put their hopes and dreams on him on 2008. What tiny testes they have might well be chewed off by the real pit bulls, John and Cindy McCain! I'll wait.....and watch.
Cale, oklahoma city - Sep 5, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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By way of response to some of the posters (especially NYB) below, I must say that I am rather dismayed that people are going to vote for or against a candidate based on a speech. How uninformed can you be for that to be the deciding factor? What about tax policies, economic policies, foreign diplomatic policies? If the the American electorate decides this election based on who gives the best talk, rather than on the issues, we are in trouble.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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McCain/Palin in 2008! Everyone in my family is voting for McCain. Governor Palin rocks! On a different subject, in celebration of Grandparents Day my mother and I had lunch today with the granddaughter who is in kindergarten. There must have been at least 100 children in the cafeteria and only 3 or 4 grandparents. My heart broke for those little ones who eagerly engaged in coversation with me. Where were their grandparents? How sad they couldn't give 30 minutes of their time. I am sorry they missed seeing their grandchild's face radiate as my sweetie's did when she saw her GG and Mamaw.
Gail, Bethany - Sep 5, 2008 at 3:00 pm
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I like Fox News so go suck an egg.
AngelGirl, Ninnekah - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I will vote for McCain/Palin for the very reason that Doris Cornell wrote.
AngelGirl, Ninnekah - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Sarah Palin's speech was nothing more that the pit bull being let loose. I don't like the owman and if I was undecided prior to it, I am not anymore. OBAMA/BIDEN '08
K, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:43 pm
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And folks who are touting Gov. Palin's much vaunted "executive experience" ought to check out today's Anchorage Daily News editorial page. Seems she's pretty skilled at the time honored DC strategy of stonewalling, obfuscating, and delay, no matter her claim to being a maverick reformer who will break us from old school political games: http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/516641.html
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:31 pm
And for those of the more political junkie stripe (which I have to confess to), here's a decent article on post-Palin polling: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omero_the_palin_effect_prelimi.php . In general, pollster.com is a pretty good site, laying out ALL the polls and including analysis not by partisan hacks, from either the left or the right, but by primarily professional pollsters. Another decent site is rasmussen.com. It leans heavily GOP in its op-ed content (Scott Rasmussen is a GOP activist), but their methodologies have a pretty decent track record. In general, though, it's my thinking that if you want to look at polling data, look at ALL the polling data, not just one or two of them, which is why I generally think pollster.com is the better bet.
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Cale and Gregory, I'm intrigued by the theory. Frankly, McCain's handling of this campaign these past few months has distressed me. Once upon a time, I was fairly ambivalent about whoever won (though I've been an Obama supporter for some time). When he made the Palin pick, to me, that put it over the edge, and I lost a TON of respect for the guy. But I'm intrigued by this theory. Either way, if McCain wins, it's going to be a hell of an administration. As I hoped "out loud" in my post earlier this a.m., a McCain administration may cause the modern GOP to implode from its own hypocrisy, divisiveness, and self-inflicted wounds. Now, if McCain did THAT for the good of the country, I'd wave a flag for him, any day of the week.
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Gregory, I haven't committed anything to him yet but I have always liked him and like you, I too would have come undone on both Rove as well as Bush. That is precisely what I saw in Cindy McCain's eyes last night. And she's the real deal. John McCain may very well have been just biding his time until now. Like I said, the VP selection might have been the last straw with him. Go back and read the text of the speech and see what he really thinks of the party platform. I think it is quite possible that what we saw was John McCain "flipping off" the party, evangelical right and George W. Bush. I will wait and see however.
Cale, oklahoma city - Sep 5, 2008 at 1:25 pm
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Cale, I've wondered the same thing. Will John McCain be the David Souter of the presidency? Republicans have always treated this guy like "red headed step-child". And, what they did to him in South Carolina in 2K...wow, if that were me, I would have arranged for a private meeting with Rove to have a "come to Jesus" talk with him. However, I'm not about to take a risk and find out.
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Stephen (Re: 9:38am post)...I'm hearing that a lot. My wife had an Republican Aunt and Uncle who did the same thing. They said, that her pick by JM gave them pause on his judgement and the Biden pick, which I didn't like, gave them hope on Obama's judgement. They donated also. I think independents (sp) are flocking to the Obama/Biden ticket. JM should have selected Kay Bailey or Mrs. Dole even. I would have even changed my vote then. I just don't understand the pick.
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I love Ray Perkins letter...rich!
Gregory, Norman - Sep 5, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Oh and one last thing. I recently turned down a custom home for a guy that has a big time job on an offshore rig in Angola. He was such a pompous jerk that even in these slower times I'd rather have one less house to build than deal with his "I'm smarter than everyone else in the world and you know nothing" attitude. He always comes back from his stint with some stories about how great he is. Sound familiar to anyone?
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:41 am
Bert seems a little more angry than usual today. I'm taking half a day off and I'm not going to waste it arguing with people that refuse to look at anything in a different perspective. Have a good day.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:36 am
Bert to me the letter writer indicates more drilling is a long-term solution, or he ignores the fact that oil is a finite resource. Just because I didn't work in an oil field doesn't mean I have no knowledge of it or the markets. Just because you don't build homes doesn't mean you don't know something about construction, does it? Now did you take time to watch the youtube video I posted a link to earlier?
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:34 am
What we saw last night was John McCain ripping off that facade that he's a "real" republican. What I believed was Cindy's smirk directed at the dems was more likely her smirking at the repubs. I doubt that McCain has forgotten what his party did to him in 2000. Those of you who keep refering to Palin as "McCain's pick" should realize that McCain's pick was Lieberman then Ridge. The party picked Palin and that might just have been the last straw for John-boy. He wouldn't even refer to the president by name and had nothing good to say about "his party." That smirk on Cindy's face was likely as not a smirk to those people in the room. I suspect that the real John McCain is about to take his nomination and shove it up the republican orifice. I've always said that I really like John McCain and now, for the first time in months, I might just have to switch my vote to the guy about to topple the republican party. And here's the fun part. There's nothing the republicans can do about it. Off-shore drilling, not a chance. Pro-birth, keep hoping. Environment, things are looking greener. I've said all along that we have 2 excellent choices for president this year and I'm beginning to see it come to fruition.
Cale, oklahoma city - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:26 am
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JOE, No I got the point. You can count all the way to at least 43.I am impressed
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:01 am
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Bert - as usual, you miss the point.
Joe, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:55 am
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JOE WOW. You can count
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:42 am
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Chris, It appears you have not been paying attention to my posts in the past or you just have a hard time understanding the english words. I have never said long term. i have said that at some point the fossil fuels will run out. What this will do give us more time to find a VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FUEL SOURSE. And i have said this from day one. And ethonal is not that sourse. But for now we need to drill for our own oil and natural gas and stop sending billions to other countries for their oil. This is stupid. We need to build clean coal fired plants. We need to build nuclear plants. And Solar where it will work. And you really need to as I said pay attention to what I am saying now and what I have said in the past and stop trying to aqccuse me of things I have not said. And you have no idea about oil futures in either the short term or long term as you have no idea what it takes to get it to the surface and to refineries
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:42 am
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Number of sentences in John McCain's acceptance speech about his experience as a POW in Vietnam: 43. Number of sentences about his 25 years in the House and Senate: 8.
Joe, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:38 am
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Hmm, another intesting Palin-related factoid: Since Gov. Palin's Wednesday night speech, $8 million poured into the Obama-Biden campaign, virtually all from on-line donations through the exceptional organization Obama has built over the past 19 months, while only $1 million came in to the McCain-Palin camp. Hope folks ultimately vote with their feet as much as they seem to be with their pocketbook.
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:06 am
Not long term BERT. I guess you don't care about your grandchildren, huh. With a lot of right wingers like you it's "me me me" and screw future generations.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:51 am
Bert, re your 9:29 a.m. post, the point is that experience" has been the matrix that McCain and the GOP have been advancing. Obama and the Dems have argued that while experience is important, judgment is critical. With that said, I'd be happy to look at the McCain-Palin "experience"--as well as the Obama-Biden "experience"--and see what light it sheds on their judgment, fitness, and ability to lead.
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:50 am
Marilyn, as anecdotal support for your comments, below, my septuagenarian mother-in-law, who leans moderate-to-conservative and has been no great fan of Obama, reached for her checkbook after Palin's speech Wednesday night . . . to make her first contribution to the Obama-Biden campaign. The Palin pick may certainly rally the base, but aside from that, its real impact is as yet unknown. What is clear is, as Robert points out, McCain's pick of her marks a pretty dramatic deviation from the judgment he has previously shown in his career, belies his "country before party" mantra, and generally seems to be pretty cynical "old politics." None of us really know how it's going to play out, but all of us--as citizens--have a right to scrutinize, query, doubt, and decide. (And that obviously applies whether the topic of discussion is Palin, McCain, Biden, or Obama.)
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:39 am
Marilyn In answer to your post yesterday when you said the crteria I mentioned for Palin would leave out McCain and biden. It would also leave out Obama
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:29 am
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Chris. Just watch what the oil experts say. You need to pay attention. We can by using all resourses available to the USA can drill and wortk our way out of this mess.And one of the answers is natural gas along with drilling Anwar and ioff shore. But we cannot do it by saying no to everything. Chris I am not a builder You are. And I am not going to show my ignorance by telling you how to build a structure of any kind. Why do you and others like you that know nothing about drilling a well and what goes into chooseing a drilling site continue to show your ignorance?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:27 am
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I think John McCain is great and I could have voted for him but his Vice Presidential selection was so cynical and so out of step with everything else he has done that it has given me significant pause about ever being able to vote for him. Senator McCain chose a vice president that was best for his campaign rather than someone who was best for the country and that undermines everything he said in his speach last night. I really believe it was a disastrous pick for his candidacy.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:09 am
Kenneth, your inability to fathom why a woman would not support Palin as vice president, and very possibly future president, merely tells me that you just don't get it. Many educated, informed females are insulted at the condescending notion that a nominee with the same anatomical features will automatically get our vote. From what very little information any one knows about Sarah Palin, I certainly don't yet label her as qualified, party affiliation aside. Frankly, I think it's embarrassing how intelligent, respected male politicians are barely hiding the difficulty in articulating words to describe her qualifications. What angers women like me, and I do not think of myself as all that "liberal", is that it has taken so many years for us to be taken seriously in the professional world. We want recognition for our abilities. But we DO NOT WANT A FREE PASS. And we resent the mentality of those who think a free pass will pacify us. Sarah Palin did not make her case of qualifications in her acceptance speech. Her spokesperson announced today that she will not be available for press interviews until, and if, they think they have something to gain by it. If she wants my vote, she can do like every other politician, come out and convince me. And enough about the drivel that because she was mayor of a town the size of Seminole, OK and governor of a state with a population of Ft. Worth,TX that makes her qualified. Gov. Mitt Romney, Mayor Guilliani, and Gov. Huckabee far outweigh her credentials (and John McCain's, if that is truly your criteria)but they apparently are not presidential material. For the record, I did not support Hillary Clinton. Not because she wasn't qualified but because I am sick of tired of the "hate Clintons" atmosphere in Washington DC and it is just time for us all to move on.
Marilyn, Seminole - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:01 am
Chris, now that's just not fair! You can't expect GOPers to adhere to any sort of consistency!! How the heck could they win the election if they were held to such an unreasonable standard.
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:49 am
Here are Karl Rove and others showing their doublespeak thanks to Jon Stewart...if you have the guts to watch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1lCMH8rlHE&NR=1
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:43 am
I guess all of the experts and geologists are wrong! Joe Walls seems to indicate there is an unending supply of oil! Problem solved, let's drill drill drill!
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:30 am
pick up your kleenex lance. dont cry. Palin is a home run and had locked the race for the GOP. lol, your lib party and lib voters have exposed themselves as the women haters they are.
Jack, Oklahoma city - Sep 5, 2008 at 8:09 am
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Anyone else notice that the DO's lead editorial--on this, the morning after Candidate John S. McCain's valedictory address to the Nation--is about . . . Gov. Palin? Hunh? Who's running for President, here? Re McCain's speech, though, it was nice to see some of the older McCain (by which I am referring to his background track record, which he's sadly jettisoned in this race, and not his age) return. Too bad the current GOP is so far out of step with the leadership he could've provided but for the Bush-Rove hijacking of it all. You know, there are kids of voting age now that, literally, have no experience of a national GOP that represented old-school conservatism and wasn't run by intolerant theocrats. If Obama fails to win this thing, one of my hopes is that a McCain administration will cause the GOP to implode from its own self-inflicted injuries and internal contradictions; maybe, then, it can rebuild itself somehow along the lines that it USED to maintain.
Stephen, Ada - Sep 5, 2008 at 7:54 am
George: you have it backwards, but that's OK. Keep living in fantasy land!
Lance, From OK, now in Upstate New York - Sep 5, 2008 at 7:33 am
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