Letters to the Editor: Sunday, Nov. 23, 2008
Published: November 23, 2008
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My 5-year-old attends pre-kindergarten at a public school. While telling him about the first Thanksgiving, I told him that the Pilgrims were having a special day to thank God. He quickly responded, "No, Mama, my teacher said they were thanking the Indians for their help.” Thanksgiving was a ceremony that was often held by the Pilgrims as a time to give praise and thanks to God. The real "First Thanksgiving” occurred in 1623. The event we traditionally celebrate happened in 1621; it was more of a "harvest festival.” The purpose of it was also to give thanks to God, however, not to the Indians. In his 1789 Thanksgiving Day Proclamation, George Washington wrote, "Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is or that will be, That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country...” Let’s all be diligent and alert about what our children are learning in our public schools. Speak up! Don’t let anyone try to edit God out of our nation’s history. Martha Fouts, YukonWho’s next?
First a government bailout for financial institutions and now a bailout for automobile manufacturers? What ever happened to companies being responsible for themselves? I understand that our current economy has put a burden on everyone, thus requiring cutbacks and tighter budgets, but to petition the federal government for financial assistance is ridiculous. When the state auto inspection law was repealed, my muffler shop business lost $2,400 to $3,600 a month. This was a drastic change for me and I’m struggling to keep my business alive. Perhaps I should request a bailout. Douglas Spores. NormanApologies first, please
For the past eight years, our liberal component of Congress, its supporting broadcast and print media and the blind who listened and followed, engaged in a disgraceful campaign of personal character assassination against a decent, patriotic, Christian man, President George W. Bush. Now that they’ve succeeded in bringing his destruction, they express no embarrassment in asking that we simply accept the defeat and end the polarization they themselves created. If there is to be reconciliation, there must be apologies and expressions of regret for injustices inflicted upon Christians and patriots, as well as some admissions of guilt for ignoring the common good in favor of gaining political damage. It’s unlikely that shame will stand in the way as the assault begins against our Constitution, its guarantees and all those who defend them. Conservatives are watching for gestures of goodwill, but we will never agree to surrender our belief in the goodness of the America as given us by our Founding Fathers. Ronald Bouwman, Oklahoma CityJust to buy tags
One way to stop uninsured motorists is if insurance companies would stop selling policies for one month, two months or three months, to people so they have it just to buy tags with and then aren’t covered until they need tags again. This needs to be regulated to ensure all motorists are covered properly. Cathy Peaslee, MooreToolbar sponsored by: David Stanley Ford
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I have no hatred for Bush. i'll be he's a nice guy.
i do object to his administration's total rejection of the Constitution.
we should have forced him from office a long time ago.
Patrick, Edmond - Nov 25, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Bert, it will do no good to point out the others that said the same thing President Bush said. Their hatred for President Bush has blinded them to everything except what he said. It doesn't matter that both Clintons and their entire administration said the same thing, they weren't part of the Bush Administration and that is the only one that matters. The hatred for President Bush has deranged them from everything else, even the Constitutional function of the Congress.
Douglas, Oklahoma City - Nov 24, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Patrick. okay let us say that Bush lied about Saddam having WMDs.However if Bush lied then so did both Bill and Hillary Clinton. Albright, Berger, Daschal, Kerry, Gore, Graham of Florida. Levin and other top Democrats. Now before you say that they were just using the info and intel given them by Bush let me add they were saying these things 3 years before Bush took office. And by the way. What did Saddam use on the Kurds?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 24, 2008 at 4:18 pm
here are a few lies of George W Bush:
Saddam had WMD's
Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9-11 (all but one of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia).
Mission Accomplished
The economy is fundamentally sound
"Saddam would not let the inspectors in." a big surprise to the UN inspectors on the ground just before we attacked.
Niger and yellow cake uranium - never had it
We will be welcomed as liberators
He fulfilled his National Guard service requirements
I won't run a deficit - 2000 campaign promise
I'm spending less than Bill Clinton - wrong
We had no warning about terrorists using planes - false
I want to get to the bottom of the Plame leak.
Anyone in my administration who had anything to do with the Valeerie Plame leak will be fired (i think Cheney is still on the payroll)
I was never arrested (except for two DUI's)
The Clinton Administration ransacked the EOB before he left office - never happened according to the GAO.
Clinton never said anything about terrorists - false
shall i continue?
Patrick, Edmond - Nov 24, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Sallie, I just sent it again. One I sent was blank when I checked the original and I don't remember what the joke was.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 24, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Floyd, did not get it yet. Try again....I did get the "why men are happier"...women know this as well. Have you ever woke up and found your wife looking at you intently? The real reason is that we are contemplating strangling you while you sleep. lol
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Sallie, It was written by a soldier. If you don't get it let me know and I'll try to send it again.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 24, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I don't believe in presidential bashing, pure and simple. I don't blame Bush for the war any more than I will blame Obama if he and Congress can't end it in the foreseeable (and hopefully soon)future. I do and will continue to bash the United States Congress daily.
Wait, not a true statement on Nixon. He is fair game.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 2:05 pm
You mean the actual words to the story or a spoof of it? You should know it by heart by heart Floyd. I think it is older than both of us. lol
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Sallie; this is the part that I considered insulting. War sucks and no one wants it, even those that serve, but it happens and this stupid rhetoric about soldiers deaths by those who sit here on the safe little butts at their computers spout out their less than useless opinions.
The war will not end the day Obama takes office, and unfortunately, soldiers will still die. Will you say Obama got them killed? If you do, that will be just as rotten stinking as saying Bush killed them.
When I enlisted, women were not allowed to go to battle, even as nurses (except for marine nurses) or medical service personnel. I do not see Iraq as a war, but as an invasion and occupation-aggression to accomplish violent regime change. This was in the mind of the neo-cons long before 9/11 ever happened. And rejected-until Bush. Since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11-I question their motives and their rhetoric. Most disheartening to me is the acceptance of the American people for the third world behavior we have engaged in. I truly hope we are changing direction.
Jamie, Lexington - Nov 24, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Sallie, No, I did not mean an armed forces uniform. I tried to get in 4 times but I had a heart murmur which has never bothered me but each time I took a physical I was turned down. My dad, was declared dead in a car wreck but the undertaker saw him quiver and he came back to life but a semi-invalid. He tried to join for WW2 and was also turned down but was making breach blocks for the 155 recoiless rifle and was given an award(not in person) from FDR. Dad resented the award because his brother actually went and got no award. I tried to send "The Night Before Christmas" to you. I don't know how to paste. Maybe you could put it up for all to see.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 24, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Jamie....I can get real excited real quick in my responses. I did not aim to make it sound like "hurling insults at you". pppfffttt is not an insult. It just represents a sound that I can't spell.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Jamie....by that logic, every President since George Washington to Bush fought useless wars and were directly responsible for their deaths. ppppffffttttt
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Sallie-every death of an American in Iraq was unnecessary and continues to be so. No matter what insults you hurl at me, that will not change. Nor will the facts of how our soldiers came to be in Iraq. They were sent by Bush to effect violent regime change in Iraq. I enlisted when Viet Nam was raging. If I had known then what I now know concerning that loss of 58,000 of our best and brightest, I would not have enlisted. Perhaps that is how Viet Nam Veterans against the War and Iraq Veterans Against the War came to be. With all my heart I wish your husband had never known war in either place and I hope he does not have to experience it again. Just because someone is comander-in-chief or President of anywhere does not make them right. It is also mistaken to think that no one wants war-there are people who do-in the case of Iraq-it was the neo-cons, Bush included, and they got their way.
Jamie, Lexington - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I honestly think that unless term limits are put into place we will/ are be stuck the same people (in Congress) up there until they drop dead or a challenger who has lots of money can win the election.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Lanny I see what the Bush years are like but you need to look at all the others of both partys who instead of standing up for the right thing rolled over because it was politicaly correct at the time. Take your rose colored glasses off and see the way it is even Obama is another political hack who has played the game since he ran for the Ill. state senate look at who he is picking and how his stand is changing. Bush was a bad choice both time I voted aginst him but as much as we all would like to think he is the only problem he is just part of a system the is only wanting their own little kingdom and are in no way statesmen. His leaving will not change the way washington runs.
George, Granite - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Save your lectures Douglas, I respect your service in the military but your advise is obviously tainted by your chosen occupation and brainwashed ego. I have an arrogant cousin-in law like you, a ret. Army man that thinks he is Gods gift to man and that his thinking is all that counts.
As for other politicians saying Iraq had WMD's do you know any of them
that actually invaded on a hunch and cherry-picked and manipulted info.? Bush actually said, "He (Sadaam) tried to kill my daddy."
"Mission accomplished." "I say bring them on."
56 more days of the worst in history !
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:38 pm
dang Floyd....you can still get into your uniform? Show-off! lol
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Douglas, As Sallie said, Thank you. As for the office of President; My wife thinks it strange that when a President's funeral is on TV, I will put on my suit and quietly watch. It does not matter if I had agreed with his policies or not.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Douglas....thank you for your service to America.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Lanny, you are a piece of work. I bet you have never left your little neighborhood in Tulsa. Clinton (Hillary and Bill), Begala, Gore, Albright, Reid, Pelosi, et al were all saying that Hussein had WMD prior to us going in and finding out he, in fact, did not have WMDs. Heck, even his own Generals have reported that they thought Hussein had WMDs. How are we to KNOW otherwise, if his own people thought he had them? Oh, I know, you are a mind reader, and have the ability to "see" the truth. As I have told people before, there is a difference between telling an untruth and lying. If I know, prior to my saying anything, that what I am about to say is untrue, then I am lying. However, you or I might say any number of things that later (upon reflection) turn out to be untrue, but we didn't know it at the time. That doesn't mean we intentionally lied about something. I could give an obvious Clinton example, but I won't.
One last point. For the last 8 years, one thing that has rubbed me the absolute wrong way (and yes, some Republicans were guilty as well during the Clinton administration, but not like after GWB was elected in 2000), you may not respect the man holding the office, but you need to respect the office. For almost 19 years of my life, I have worn the uniform of the USAF, and I have never seen disrespect for the office of the President of the United States like I have for the last 8 years. And please, don't give me excuses or rationalizations, it is what I have seen and read on the web and in the news media, and if you took off the rose colored glasses, you would see it as well. Further, I will continue to respect the office of President while Barack Obama and after he leaves office, but learn this one thing, to get respect, you must show respect.
Douglas, Oklahoma City - Nov 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm
and let's not forget that Saddam didn't carry through with the parts of the peace treaty after the first Gulf War. He should have never been punished for the problems he caused in the world. Bush may have been wrong but we have to fix the problems we caused before we leave. It is the American way. Win a war, lose the peace. USA USA USA USA
Joe, Luther - Nov 24, 2008 at 11:19 am
lanny...no more than your failure to give the U.S. Congress some of the credit for the war. I believe most of these fellas went bahhhh went they jumped as well.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 11:16 am
Geez, getting you people to see the Bush admin. for what it really is, is impossible!
Most Congressmen were misled and voted wrong. Obama was not misled, he saw through the deception, the rest were afraid of being labeled weak, pacifists, etc. Intelligence was cherry-picked and sensible advise was shelved, etc. George, think WHO started the War in Iraq and why would you blame the next President trying to clean up the mess that could take over 18 mo's ? Get a life. Okla. Pubs, sheep following sheep over the cliff.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 24, 2008 at 11:12 am
What about the five intelligence agencies from around the world that gave us the same information? Don't forget them, George!
Joe, Luther - Nov 24, 2008 at 10:59 am
Lanny how about all in congress that voted to give Bush the right to go in? you left them out. They got to read the reports that were given to Bush just as they were writen and also got to talk to the peolpe who wrote them. Also are you going to blame Obama for anyone who gets killed after the 18 months that he promised to bring the troops home who he will now sent to Afgan.
George, Granite - Nov 24, 2008 at 10:52 am
lanny, remember this part. Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, were they responsible? Oh wait, it was 4 postings down, I can see how you would forget so soon. I believe all of these fellas got a little overlapping blame. Oh wait, none of these wars were based on suspicion means (to say the least) and they were held blameless...ppppfffttt Oh wait again, this does not apply now, huh!
Sallie is a hard work to spell, lannie
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 10:38 am
Sallie, You are a mess ! I would think that a president that started a war under suspicious means ( to say the least) would deserve criticism for the loss of our troops as LONG as that WAR LASTED.Presidents thay clearly inherit a former President's messes are not to blame Sally! Obviously Obama can't pull out the 1st day he is in office.
Put words in your mouth? No, but food for your brain, well maybe!
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 24, 2008 at 10:28 am
lanny....you know I believe all politicians lie. You also know I did not say that a volunteer army deserves/deserved "implications" from any leadership. My point is they took an oath and once a decision is made by leadership they have to go or desert. Yes? With the security pact than may be agreed upon allowing troops to be answerable to these murderers laws (beheading, stoning,) would make me forget the oath and run my chicken self to the nearest safe country. That is me.
Of course anyone can post here, military service or not, I just think it is crap to imply that any President is responsible for deaths. Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, were they responsible. Will Obama get the blame for further deaths? Can't have it both ways lanny.
Oh yeah. Don't try to put words in my mouth or play like you don't get the meaning of my posts. I am pretty clear cut and to the point in my words.
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 10:00 am
Sallie- Bush, Cheney and Rummy & Co. distorted, lied, and misled us into Iraq with their impending "mushroom clouds" and also implying Iraq was part of the 9-11 attack.
To say that because a person volunteered for military duty they deserve the implications of leadership (failed or not) seems out of character for you. Also, are you saying that because a person didn't or doesn't serve in the military ,they have no right to comment or critique a war?
Again, I salute your families service to this great country.
lanny, Tulsa - Nov 24, 2008 at 9:48 am
Jamie, Lexington....before you get on that Bush killed the troops crap, remember this. We have no draft. Each person in the military swore an oath to serve and protect this country from harm, and to the Commander in Chief. The Commander in Chief is the president of the United States, be it Nixon, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush or Obama.
War sucks and no one wants it, even those that serve, but it happens and this stupid rhetoric about soldiers deaths by those who sit here on the safe little butts at their computers spout out their less than useless opinions.
The war will not end the day Obama takes office, and unfortunately, soldiers will still die. Will you say Obama got them killed? If you do, that will be just as rotten stinking as saying Bush killed them.
Again, my husband is still active duty and he has been in both of these wars and if Obama say's go he will go. pppfffttt
Sallie, Del City - Nov 24, 2008 at 8:49 am
Bouwman: You again. Decent patriotic christian people do not torture people, nor engage in violent regime change, killing thousands and calling it progress. Bush brought about his own destruction. Injustices inflicted on patriots and christians-Bush did that too-4000+ dead Americans-so far.
Jamie, Lexington - Nov 24, 2008 at 8:17 am
BERT, If you are still here, I just got back a little while ago from a 122 mile round trip to Crescent , then Dover and back through Kingfisher. On the way I only saw 3 workover rigs and it so happened all 3 were within 5 miles of the land I used to own. 2 oil storage tanks were full and I called one of the operators and he hadn't decided to sell or hold hoping the price goes up. He said as far as he knows, the price of the rigs has gone up from $250 per hour to $500 and won't do any work on his "hobby" well at the $50 price for oil. I saw a bunch of rigs in yards waiting for work. I suppose they are laying off workers.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Steve i believe the TULSA World leans to far to the left so I rarely read it but I do not believe just because i disagree with them they should go away. And I believe Obama is to the left of Bill Clinton.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:32 pm
He's just another Clinton. However, the outside world is impressed with our Country electing a minority....will this be good for the world? Who knows. One thing for sure though is that it will be good for Ron Bouwman and his infantile letters to the editor. If you want to disgrace the people who have fought for our freedoms, rely on ideologies, not the facts that we have access to because of what a free county this is... The Oklahoman is a disgrace to us all and needs to go away.
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:22 pm
In my opinion the UNITED WAY sucks
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Steve i do not live in that area so I admit I am not up to speed on what is being discussed. Hpowever i did not get my opinion of Obama from anyonne but Obama himself
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Check out this key Republican operative talking about me on KGOU, its funny! Im already in the public if these hoodlums feel they need to tell lies about me. I've lived in OKC 29 years and here this Norman resident is saying I dont live here. We need change now. Make all the lobbyists get jobs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keclnKKLego
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Steve Just as a pointer and you can do as you please of course do not give too much personal info on these boards
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Steve As I have said before the Democrats would not even elect JFK in a primary due to the speech he gave
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:04 pm
It did not saty to whom Cheney gave the money but it was in the millions to charity. The same with biden. The charity or chartriers were not namnmed but he gave less than 500 dollars. I give more than that but I will not give to the United way, I also try to give most of it locally so I can see what it doies a little better.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 9:01 pm
And Bert, I know plenty of neo-cons. In fact, I use to be one!
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Regarding charities Bert, most are just status quo perserving entities. I am pretty much a micro-loan guy and local projects with regards to charities. Who did he give to the United Way or Feed the Children or some crap?
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Thats the way to be Bert. I'm pretty far left but I was a huge Dana Murphy supporter. Very pleased she won. Regarding McClendon, he gets a lot of money from taxpayers via abatements and whatnot to Chesapeake, and the 1/4 billion to the Thunder...not a specific tax $$$ to the restaurant (although they probably do have some kind of TIFF scam going there...ask Mike Reynolds and he probably knows the story) just a lot of free money that has allowed him to have a massive excess of cash (until he got crazy with CHK stock...)..anyway, he's a pot smoker and will get busted soon.
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Gregory, Okay, Now what else is new????????????????
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Steve and again. How many Neo Cons do you know?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:55 pm
....and Bouwman is a perfect example of what I'm talking about...
Also, Bert, like you guys will be closely scrutinizing Obama, the left will be closely scrutinizing you.
Gregory, Norman - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Steve Speaking of what various people give to society, Did you see how much Cheney donated to charity and how much Biden donated?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Steve where is Automobile alley? And how did the tax dollars help pay for it and when?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:52 pm
...and all I'm saying Bert is you are speaking for yourself! NOT a majority of NEOCONs. I know better!
Gregory, Norman - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Steve actually i am not partisan as you may think I am. I am not a Bush fan.I am a conservative
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Automobile Alley. McClendon is part owner of the place...thanks to your tax dollars.
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:50 pm
It is pretty good Bert, but nothing close to what a fancy Lobbyist, Marketer, PR Sponge, Financial Sector hack, or any of those people make....and almost all of those people give almost nothing to the society.
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Steve I imagine that each year FEDEX probably gives you aq very large bonus so they can spread the wealth. I am sure then thaty no FEDEX person in management ever goes to this RED PRIME steak house. By the way. Where is this steak house located?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Clinton brought us NAFTA so you don't have to try and win any partisan arguments with me Bert!!!
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Gregory all I am saying is that you can expect us to cheer Obama when he succeds and go after him when he fails
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Steve i guess you have a pension plaqn, insurance of all kinds, 401 k , vacations and a very high salary with Fed ex
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:46 pm
All I can say Bert is the Golden Rule was applied. What you saw from the left towards Bush is exactly how your side treated Clinton and, despite what you say, WILL treat Obama. (Indeed, they are already bashing Obama on NEONUT radio and the man isn't even officially in office.) Now, you yourself might want Obama to succeed but, I hardly doubt, that the rest of the NEOCON world does.
Your side is not better Bert. They just think they are.
Gregory, Norman - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Steve i did not say that Fed Ex was not a great company, i also have worked for great companies but I am sure they would not have wanted me to use their name on these boards.Now for us NEOCONS who want to keep down the working man, tell me please who brought up 1804 , a bill thaqt would have made it easier for the legal working man to receieve a better wage
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Patrick there is one thing i guess I on which I will have to agree with you when discussing Katrina. Bush should have realized even tho he called the gov two days before Katrina hit and discussed it with her that both the mayor and gov were Democrats therefore unable to handle the problem as the gov of Mississippi did
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:40 pm
...also note that Bowman and The Oklahoma are #1 Joe the Plumber fans! However when they were writing about me opposing the March 4 Stadium Swindle, I was nothing but an elitist scumbag, not a working class guy putting a lot on the line to try and do what is right for OKC.
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:39 pm
It is a great company, unlike many American corporations who operate in a oppressive manner to their workers. They understand that the people who create wealth have a right to share in it...unlike the crazed lunatic neo-cons who want to supress the working class so elites can enjoy elegant dinner parties and fine places like Red Prime steakhouse or whatever.
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Steve, You of course are entitled to have any opinion you want to have. But do you feel that FedEx would like for you to use their name on these boards in a post?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Patrick You talk aqbout many things. Now what about GITMO> Whsat would you have done about the prisoners? What would you have done with them? You said Bush has lkied repeatedly. OKAY Name the lies. If there are that many you swhould haqve no troiuble naqming 3 or 4 right off the top of your head. What about Katrina? Yes the feds could have worked quicker. But what dide the mayor of N O do when he saw the storm coming? What did he do after the storm moved out of the area. what did the gov of La do when she saw tyhe storm coming? What did she do after the storm moved out? -----The economy. What aqbout Barney Frank who was the chairman of the house banking committee?: What about Chris Dodd the chairman of the senate banking committee? What about the 2 sweetheart loans Dodd received from Countrywide?
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Gregory Un like you on the left us NEOCONMNS as you lovingly call us want O9bama to succeed. Because if he fails the nation fails and US NEOCONS are part of this nation. we will not go around stabbing him in the bvack as you on the left did to Bush I will admit that Bush made enough mistakes and left himself open. But the USA has not been hit since 9/11 has it? Patrick talks about Gitmo. But whaqt would he have had us to do with the prisoners? But rest assured US NEOCONS will be watching Obama as you watched Bush and we will point out his mistakes.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:15 pm
To Ronald Bouwman.
You mut be talking about another George Bush, not the one who has been my President for the last eight years.
If anyone should apologise to the American people, it is Bush.
He has repeatedly lied about Iraq and the war.
Did you forget about his total abdication of responsibility during and after Katrina?
What about his "bill signing statements" - those little letters to Americans saying he won't obey the law he's singing.
What about his total disregrd for the financial condition of the US - the one that's currently putting the economy in the tank?
What about GITMO?
What about torture?
What about his aleinating most of the world against us with his tough guy attitude?
As near as I can tell, the only thing Bush has been right about is the day he has to move out of the White House - Thank God.
Sorry Mr. Bouwman, Bush owes America one big apology. He should be getting on his knees begging forgiveness for the obscenely horrible and incompetent way he has governed this country.
Patrick, Edmond - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:07 pm
I was making a delivery at a title company (I work for FedEX) and Ed Kelley was in there waiting at a table for his papers or something...I said hello and jokingly said to him "Hey! You guys didn't publish my letter on the so called Colombia Free Trade deal!" (a simple letter discussing contraversial things like facts and history). He said "Well, give it time and maybe it'll show up. One thing I can tell you though is that if it is mean spirited at all it won't be printed."
What a joke. Bouwman's letters, are silly, ideological, and almost always cruel. Calling people Neville Chamberlin, saying whoever the latest hobgoblin of the week is is the next Hitler, on and on. What a joke.
Check out some of Bouwman's 100s of letters that have been published over the years (they interestingly started appearing the week after Clinton was elected!) and see how disgusting they are.
http://www.myemospace.com/theomaa/ron.html
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Thank you Mary Harris! Your letter IS the truth!
Bouwman's letter is typical of todays NEOCONs.
Their views are 100% correct. Opposing views are 100% wrong.
They throw stones and publicly point our your sins but get all in a huff if you throw stones back and publicly point out their sins.
Their team does all good. Your team does nothing BUT bad.
They are "real Americans". You are...."a fake American"?...
You get the picture.
I suggest to Ron, Jack and Jeff, the best way to get an apology is to first apologize for your transgressions first. However, you guys are too full of pride to even recognize that you need to apologize also. I pity you guys.
Another sad part about his letter is how he uses "Christainity" for his polotical purposes. Christianity has been totally HIJACKED by NEOCONs and used to divide, provoke fear, judge and even provide a justification for hatred.
The Good News! Most americans rejected that nonsense with this past election. We are moving forward. If you want to join your neighbor in bettering the country for ALL, then we offer you a hand. If not, then all we can do is wave.
Gregory, Norman - Nov 23, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Hey Bouwman, what happened to your Neville Chamberlin macro?
steve, Oklahoma City - Nov 23, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Google this: "Ronald Bouwman" Oklahoman
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