Mark my words. The democratic party will never run another white person as president.

Sallie, you are correct that there is now very little chance of getting trichinosis anymore with the strict Gov. regulations. As long as pork has been heated to about 140 or frozen below -10 for a couple of weeks, the threat is greatly reduced. What I've found surprising is tricinosis is not found in much of the world where the Bible was written or Europe. By the way, the most common STD is similar in name-trichomoniasis. It is becoming even more common with multiple partners and gay women. People infected with it are more likely to contract HIV. I have not checked this out to be factual as it was in a church magazine. The story could have been slanted.

Floyd....I don't dispute the study you saw, but I find it difficult to believe that with the way pigs are raised today that trichinosis is even remotely possible, unless the pig was raised "open range"..Our pork today is fed with sterilized food for a very short time as they are sent to slaughter as soon as they are large enough to get a couple of decent hams off of. Today's pork reminds me of Twinkies. Indestructible by modern weapons. lol....however, if you are correct, I may croak off full of nasty worms as I intend to eat that nasty old bacon till I am pushing up the old flower blanket.

Sallie, Funny thing about bacon. When I got married, each morning my wife would fix bacon and eggs for me. I finally asked her,"Why don't you ever eat the bacon?" She said she didn't like bacon. Then I told her I hadn't eaten bacon or really any part of a pig since my mother died in 1980 because both the Bible's advising not to and a book called,"From the snout to the tail" telling 55 ways that swine is bad for your health. A study a few years ago showed even when pork is burnt to a crisp, some of the Trichinosis eggs (worms) survive. That is repulsive to me. Strangely, a vet manual said dogs also should not eat pork yet I see pig ears and smoked bones in the pet food section. I think it is also strange, those bones, without any meat, cost more than the ham meat. Doggie treats are the highest priced foods in most stores. Save money, give them prime beef steak.

Floyd...I have yet to see one that says "do not take with eggs, bacon or gravy" lol George...lol Rob, thank you for the sites.

George,Granite; So many prescriptions say,"Do not take with grapefruit."

Re: links to Hsieh letter - http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_10976789 http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31928_On_Losing_Votes http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog/2008/11/how-gop-lost-my-vote.shtml

Sallie not very nice of you all items in your 4:42 post are deadly. Use grapefruits so far they still good for you.

Sallie I love eggs , bacon and gravy

Whoops, weapons are limited to eggs, bacon or gravy.

Wayne....Bert.....here's the deal. 20 paces at the IHop parking lot in Del City, tomorrow at noon. May the best waffle win!

Wayne I am begging. Please use your great knowledge to help me

No, Bert, I just like to hear you beg.

Wayne Are you not willing to help the simple minded such as myself?

Wayne okay So if i do not know what I am doing and you do then as a person that wants to help others you should be more than willing to assist me with my taxes

Wayne, ok I found it and read it. Many thanks. It still brings me back to my post of 11:30 a. After we get past Christian religion (I believe this is the only religion that appears to be objectionable faith) as being the culprit behind our nations problems, what is next? Bert, the clothes hamper issue is on-going and will be till someone kicks the bucket. lol

Bert, I'll repeat for you same answer I gave you last time "Don’t worry, Bert. I wouldn’t dare try to be your financial adviser. I would only deal with people who understand what they are doing."

Wayne Can I get you to do my taxes this year???

Wayne You have been swhown many times on other subjeacts also. You are not able to digest the info

Bert, show me where I am wrong and I'll gladly admit it. Unlike you.

Sallie how are you doing with the clothes hamper?

Wayne why not change the subject? you will never admit you are wrong even when all the evidence says you are. But anyway was the question I asled you too hard? If it was I am sorry. I will try to keep them easier in the future.

Bert, I knew you would want to change the subject. Typical.

Sallie, check the 10:01 post.

I don't care if my puncutation is off or not, just post the letter or inform fellow posters of its location.

So where is a copy a Hsieh's letter? I don't see it posted in Letters to the Editor or as a poster on this site. Which of you has read the letter? Anyone other than Rob, OKC? Don't tell me that your postings are based on "not knowing what the letter says". Rob posts the data without a site for reference.

Wayne One question. Were there any doctors at the WTC when you were there in finances?

Funny.

Bert, as usual, you are having trouble understanding simple sentences. I didn’t say Jeff said Republican doctors don’t believe in God. When you punctuate a sentence with a question mark (like this ?), it is a question. Dr. Hsieh said he voted Republican and Jeff said he bet he didn’t believe in God. I just asked if he thought most Republican doctors were atheists. He came back with some smart answer that was an indication he had not even read the doctor’s letter. Typical.

Wayne jeff did not say that republican Doctors did not belive he said doctors. reread again. Wayne you are just too easy

Jeff, here is an excerpt from his letter: "I voted Republican in 1996, 2000, and 2004." I'm a Republican too. I just thought since you are an expert on judging people, you would know if other Republican doctors don't believe in God. You said "I'll bet Hsieh doesn't believe in God". Since you put it down in writing it's a little difficult to deny it. I might agree with you on some things, but then people might think I'm as weird as you.

Wayne, he said he voted democrat. He also stated he's secuarlist, Read my post I said many not most. Ole Wayne Pragues answer to the Human Kolache. Lol

Bert, I reread it. It looks the same as I first read it. What about it?

Wayne, Reread Jeffs post

Jeff,I don’t know if Dr. Hsieh is an atheist, but he says he votes Republican. Are most Republican doctors atheists?

I agree with Keine; I remember when I saw that federal spending (including entitlement spending) has seen the greatest increase as a percentage of GDP under Bush. He got half the equation right (lower taxes) but forgot the other half (smaller government).

Jeff, how many doctors do you know? A majority of the ones I do know, personally and through the medical field, have a deep and abiding faith. They just also believe that God invested us with free will rather than mandated morality, for good reason. Faith means nothing when it's mandated to you.

Blaming religion for the USA problems has become such a popular idea that government corruption is left out of the loop. Our government left religion a long time ago and replaced it with dollar signs. This surpasses religion of any kind. Christians, Buddists, Judaism. Name your faith and then subtract the monetary factor and see how much influence you really have.

Being a Physician, I would bet that Hsieh doesn't believ in God. many Physicians don't. The only reason republicans lost was the economy!!!

I'm glad to see Mr Kiene's letter, too. Oklahoma's Republicans may be crowing right now but the national party is looking for answers, and some people are blaming the party's promotion of religion in government as the reason for its rejection by America's voters. Here's one example. This letter was printed in the Denver Post and has been featured on Hot Air and Little Green Footballs: "How the GOP lost my vote" Paul Hsieh After a resounding electoral defeat, in which voters in this once-red state rejected Republicans McCain, Schaffer, and Musgrave, the Colorado Republican Party will undoubtedly be asking themselves, "Why did we lose?" I want to let them know that they lost the vote of many former supporters (including myself) because they have chosen to embrace the Religious Right. I voted Republican in 1996, 2000, and 2004. I believe in limited government, individual rights, free market capitalism, a strong national defense, and the right to keep and bear arms - positions that one normally associates with Republicans. But I didn't vote for a single Republican in 2008. I've become increasingly alienated by the Republicans" embrace of the religious "social conservative" agenda, including attempts to ban abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and gay marriage. The Founding Fathers correctly recognized that the proper function of government is to protect individual rights, such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion. But freedom of religion also implies freedom *from* religion. As Thomas Jefferson famously put it, there should be a "wall of separation" between church and state. Public policy should not be based on religious doctrines. Instead, the government's role is to protect each person's right to practice his or her religion as a private matter and to forbid them from forcibly imposing their particular views on others. And this is precisely why I find the Republican Party's embrace of the Religious Right so dangerous. If a woman chooses not to have an abortion for reasons of personal faith, then I completely respect her right to do so. But she cannot impose her particular religious views on others. Other women must have the same right to decide that deeply personal issue for themselves. The Religious Right's goal of outlawing abortions would violate that important right, and sacrifice the lives of actual women for clumps of cells that are only potential (but not yet actual) human beings, based on religious dogma. As a physician, I find that position abhorrent and deeply anti-life. In his October 24, 2008 radio broadcast, Rush Limbaugh told pro-choice secular supporters of limited government such as myself that we should leave the Republican Party. Many of us have already taken his advice and changed our affiliation to "independent." The Republican Party stands at an important crossroads. The Republican Party could choose to follow the principles of the American Founding Fathers and promote a limited government that protected individual rights but otherwise left people alone to live their lives. This includes affirming the principle of the separation of church and state. If they did so, I would happily support it. Or the Republican Party could instead choose to become the party of the Religious Right and seek to forcibly impose the religious values of one particular constituency over others (thus violating everyone else's rights). In that case, it will continue to alienate many voters and lose elections -- and deservedly so. Even though I no longer regard myself as a Republican, I definitely regard myself as a loyal American. My parents immigrated legally from Taiwan to America over 40 years ago. They had very little money, but they worked hard, sent two children to college and medical school, and are now enjoying a well-earned and comfortable retirement. Their life has been a real-life embodiment of the American dream. America is a beacon of hope to millions of people around the world precisely because our system of government allows honest, hard-working people to prosper and thrive. Our system is a testament to the genius of the Founding Fathers, who recognized that the proper function of government is to protect individual rights, such as our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Hence, I believe the Republican Party should choose the first path - the path of limited government, separation of church and state, and protection of individual rights. This is the America that brought my parents from a ocean away in hopes of a better life for themselves and their children. This is the America I want to live in. And this is the America I want the Republican Party to stand for. Paul Hsieh is a practicing physician in the south Denver metro area and co-founder of Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine (FIRM). He lives in Sedalia.

I wonder how Walters felt about our state's national image when as our governor he was indicted? I also remember his classless consession speech when losing to Jim Inhofe and saying, "The people have spoken; the bastards." If I were an Oklahoma Democrat, I'd tell Davey to be quiet. He's a disgrace.

Jay, I do agree that my dislike of the woman and her views have an affect on my opinion.

I complete agree with Thomas Kiene. I only hope that when the republicans take charge of the Oklahoma house and senate. That they remember the mistakes of their federal brothers and stick to the principles that mister Kiene enumerated. Less government and lower taxes.

Sallie, I have no problem with you disagreeing with her opinions. I do not agree with much of what she espouses. But to question her intelligence is baseless and classless. I expect more from you, based on your history of posts.

Walters was and is a liar. He may have cleaned up his outlaw days, but he remains a blight on the governor's of Oklahoma history books.

Whatever Jay...further discussion is useless. The woman is a magpie for Hollywoods idea of correctness. I find her opinions useless and inane and mostly boring. There you go. Feel free to disagree and let's move on.

I think someone should remind Walters that a lot of people in Oklahoma remember his time as governor and it was his administration that help Keating get elected because of what he did.

I find it amusing that you question this highly successful woman's intelligence just because she thinks differently than you.

That or a really good agent/advisor.

How does political correctness equate with intelligence? She must have some degree of intelligence to run the multi-media business that she does.

I watched her show twice. She is the epitome of politically correctness and spouts out such. If being politically correct pass for intelligence, then she must be the nations current Einstein.

True, she might not eat beef and her support of Dr. Phil is perplexing, but why do you assume that she is not very intelligent?

Oprah as president? She doesn't eat beef. She is not very intelligent and she just loves that maniac Dr. Phil. She could probably get elected.