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MAPS 3 could generate public safety money, Oklahoma City says

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Published: November 12, 2009

Oklahoma City officials announced today plans to use MAPS 3-related revenue for public safety if voters approve the package next month.


District Attorney David Prater spoke at the news conference. File art.

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The city's police and fire unions oppose MAPS 3 because it does not include money specifically for public safety.

"I can assure you that if MAPS does not pass, our public safety issues multiply," Mayor Mick Cornett said at a news conference called in response to union opposition to MAPS 3.

Cornett said if MAPS 3 passes, the city will give MAPS 3 use tax revenue to public safety.

Use taxes are charged instead of sales taxes to businesses who buy items from outside Oklahoma City for use within the city. A use tax typically accompanies a voter-approved sales tax.

City records show public safety has received $60 million of use tax revenue from MAPS For Kids, which passed in 2001. The money has been used for public safety capital projects.

Union officials said they would have no comment on the use tax plan or MAPS 3 until a news conference Friday.

The unions are locked in a work contract dispute with the city concerning staffing and pay. Union officials have formed a campaign committee called "Not This MAPS," claiming the city needs to first deal with understaffing in the police and fire departments.

Cornett declined to discuss specifics of the latest contract offer the city made to the unions this past week, but said MAPS 3 use tax revenue could pay for additional police officers and firefighters in addition to capital projects.

"The MAPS use tax can be used to help ensure that public safety remains a top priority. We will not have that option if MAPS 3 does not pass," Cornett said.

Sagging sales tax revenues have forced the city to make across the board budget cuts this year. Layoffs are possible if revenue continues to decline.

District Attorney David Prater said he's convinced the city has a good plan to address the staffing concerns that are at the heart of the unions' opposition to MAPS 3 and their contract dispute.

Prater, a former police officer, said the use tax plan guarantees no police officers will lose their jobs in the next two years. He also said the plan convinced him to support MAPS 3.

"My concern all along, as far as about a year ago, was talking about increasing our public safety and I believe this proposal right now does exactly that," Prater said.

Ward 1 Councilman Gary Marrs, a former fire chief, said he's upset about union claims that the city doesn't adequately support public safety. He noted that two-thirds of the city's annual general fund budget goes to public safety.

"I don't know how you can say we don't support public safety when you make that kind of commitment on a yearly basis," Marrs said, also citing past bond issues that included money for public safety.

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"Our convention center is smaller than the ones in Tulsa, Omaha, Little Rock and is about the same size as the one in Wichita. That's embarrassing. "

And our riverwalk isn't, as big San Antonio's, our arch isn't as big as St. Louis', our sea-port isn't as nice as Corpus Christi's, & our crime rate isn't is big as Houston's..... at least not yet.

There is a lot of room for improvement with what we already have. There is a city surrounding downtown that needs some attention too.
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 16, 2009 at 6:13 pm
The City managers budget cut report is on the following website. WWW.NOTTHISMAPS.COM Interesting reading. How do we build projects when we can not afford what we have.
- Nov 14, 2009 at 7:23 pm
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Jill wrote:
The first MAPS generated over 5 billion dollars in revenue for the city, from an investment of a little over 300 hundred million. Since our police and fire departments get three quarters of a cent from our sales tax, they'll get $590 million during the time when the city will be collecting money for MAPS 3. That is in addition to money they already get from the general fund. They currently receive almost two thirds of the city's general fund expenditure already. So, if MAPS 3 generates anywhere near the return that MAPS 1 did, the police and fire department stand to make billions themselves.


For your information NOT one cent from MAPS3 is ear marked for FIRE or POLICE..where did you get your information. The mayor came out on Thursday to say that they would give use tax to the fire and police. It is not in the proposal for the voters. He added that after the fact to make it look like the fire and police unions are being greedy.Which he has nothing in writing nor can they change the proposal midstream before the vote. Yes the unions have been in negotiations since FEB of this year. The fire union offered to roll thier contract, no raise. if the city would agree to signing a METOO clause. Which ment if ANY city employee got a raise they would give them their raise. THEY DECLINED. The Chamber of commerce(Clay Bennent and his partners) came to the Fire and Police unions on Monday and asked them what it would take for us to "get on board" with them. They offered to give staffing ( 10 FF and 27 police)if we could support MAPS3. How in the world is the chamber of commerce able to offer staffing to Fire and Police. Are they now negotiating contracts for the city personel. The union declined because the gave a sundown date of 2011. Which meant they would give the staffing but could pull them in 2011. Does that sound like a good deal to you. Fire and Police are way understaffed at this time. 55 less firefighters are on the job then in 1999. And this city has grown leaps and bounds since.
Jill and everyone else please wake up and see what is happening.
The City government has been mismanageing money. They cut city budgets, city
wide by 3% and then want the citizens to vote in 777 million in taxes...on the same day. If you cant properly use the money now what in the world will happen to that extra funds!Do all the research and see that this maps is not for the the people!!!
Dante, Oklahoma City - Nov 14, 2009 at 6:59 pm
The only reason they want this maps 3 is because they are out of money and want to lay off people. This will only increase the problems in Oklahoma county that tax payers should not have to pay for. Look out citizens of Oklahoma county. Get ready to open up your pocket books and pay more money that we do not have and who cares it is just money.
quartercircle, Guthrie - Nov 13, 2009 at 6:33 am
"We cannot afford to go back to the days when we couldn't even land an aircraft repair business because no one wanted to live here."-------------------Hey "B", why don't you start listing the businesses that have moved here since MAPS 1? Got anything to offer beside menial retail and call center jobs?

Got anything to compare to the loss of GM, Dayton, and those bunches of manufacturing jobs that left?

You may want to "live here" being an okie and all, but what are you attracting from the outside real world as far as people/businesses that want to move here?

paul, yukon - Nov 13, 2009 at 5:17 am
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Jill, while no one can deny that MAPS lead to more private investment than the public put in the $5 billion is questionable. A recent Oklahoman article stated 100s of millions (obviously less than a billion). The Chamber's own website has 3 different figures ranging from $2B to the $5B (two of the conflicting numbers on the same page). Understandable if one was talking about the amount 10 years ago and then 5 and currently, but no such distinction is made. Also, they included things that has absolutely nothing to do with MAPS (relocation of I-40 and the national Memorial among others). Question is if the numbers are already impressive, why the need to artificially inflate them?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Nov 13, 2009 at 5:15 am
Unfortunately, bonds are an expensive way to pay for things. When bonds are issued, interest has to be paid on the borrowed money and the final cost is 2 to 3 times the original amount. In this case a $280M Convention Center would end up costing $560M to $840M (depends on the length and interest rate paid on the bonds). IF you are going to do this, a sales tax, primarily pay-as-you-go, is definitely the best way to pay for it. However, the Ballot and Ordinance contain language specifically authorizing the issuance of bonds, lines of credit and other indebtedness if the Council decides they need to do it.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Nov 13, 2009 at 12:33 am
For the record, I voted yes to MAPS 1 and 2, but no way will I vote yes to this con job MAPS 3.
David, Oklahoma City - Nov 13, 2009 at 12:15 am
Cornett is a liar and will say anything to pass MAPS 3. Anyone who votes yes is a Vote Yes coalition Kool-Aid drinker and a complete fool. Continuing the 1 cent sales tax to built a new convention center and the stupid Core to Shore Park, during our current recession, hurts the poor, unemployed, and less fortunate. If the City wants a new convention center then they should issue City bonds like we did when we build the state-of-the art Fairgrounds Arena in 1964.

STOP THE CORRUPTION - VOTE NO!
David, Oklahoma City - Nov 13, 2009 at 12:11 am
Our convention center is smaller than the ones in Tulsa, Omaha, Little Rock and is about the same size as the one in Wichita. That's embarrassing. We have the chance to transform our downtown with a city park that will rival Millenium Park in Chicago and the Boston Public Garden. We can finally have the kind of transit system that we can be proud of, and which will almost assuredly help us institute city wide mass transit.

The first MAPS generated over 5 billion dollars in revenue for the city, from an investment of a little over 300 hundred million. Since our police and fire departments get three quarters of a cent from our sales tax, they'll get $590 million during the time when the city will be collecting money for MAPS 3. That is in addition to money they already get from the general fund. They currently receive almost two thirds of the city's general fund expenditure already. So, if MAPS 3 generates anywhere near the return that MAPS 1 did, the police and fire department stand to make billions themselves.

This is about making Oklahoma City a showplace, about taking another giant leap similar to what we took with MAPS. I'm proud of my city, but having visited other cities like Portland, Boston, etc, I know how much better we can be and need to be. I'm voting to make my city a better place in which to live, to make it a place I'm excited to show visitors.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Nov 12, 2009 at 10:49 pm
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Slick Mick, you and your 2 predecessors tried to sell that with MAPS 1 and we are still 200 patrolmen short of what is necessary to police the streets. Keep on lying...the only people benefiting are your Chamber friends. I only wish the people would wake up and boot you out of office back into the private sector.
Aaron, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 10:26 pm
There are no projects written into this MAPS. They are projecting a lot more money than has EVER been collected by a city sales tax. They are promising everything and offering lies to get the voters to pay for it. I would vote no if I lived in OKC.
Joe, Luther - Nov 12, 2009 at 9:31 pm
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Give us a break from taxes!

Seems like they are still organizing how they'll spending the never ending penny tax.

Vote No, and let them refine the way they'll handle the money!

Central Park and anything on the other side of the interstate can wait until the interstate moves.
John, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 9:28 pm
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I don't see how anyone could argue that MAPS hasn't done wonders for this city. It is so far from reality it's sickening. Furthermore, an improved downtown improves the outlook for the whole city. I'm praying it passes so our city continues to move forward and grow. I do not live in the middle of the city, but I do live in an older part of the city. I want my property values to continue to rise from new jobs, new residents, new public transit, new parks, new bike trails, etc. etc.

The worst thing this city could do is rest on its laurels. This is a competition among cities, and with our low cost of living, OKC stands to really step up to the big leagues.

I honestly believe the mix of projects in this MAPS will be even more transformative than MAPS 1 was, and it was an unqualified success.

Conversely, if this fails, OKC will lose all the momentum it has had for the past ten-plus years. We cannot afford to go back to the days when we couldn't even land an aircraft repair business because no one wanted to live here.
B, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 9:17 pm
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Go to mark shannon d o t c o m

To read a statement concerning Prater's edorsment.
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 8:29 pm
MAPS 3: A great home grown stimulus to continued prosperity in OKC - with no increase in sales tax.
Rob, Richardson - Nov 12, 2009 at 7:35 pm
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Hey everyone, lets go kayaking! Let's all go and hang out at the Canadian River and cheer for the rowing teams! Yeah, this tax makes a whole lot of sense, especially with the hidden agendas. Looks like we're being more creative to add alittle tax and here and alittle bit there. The first two projects worked out pretty nice, I just don't get this one. Do people really believe that by pumping more money into the Canadian River is going to make more people healthy? This could be possibly the MAPS project that doesn't pass if enough people gave two shiats about it....
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Holly, Moore, I could ask you the same question since you are claiming Moore as your city..... FYI, my mail comes from Yukon but in live in OKC city limits. So, this does pertain to me. I will vote no. And my vote will count. So, who needs to SHUT UP, maybe you?
UnSub, Yukon - Nov 12, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Carol (Holly poser) I may not have a vote...but I'm entitled to my opinion and I'll do my best to see it doesn't pass. I don't trust part time Mayor Cornett.
Boomer, Washington - Nov 12, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Holly...While I may live outside Oklahoma county, I do have a say. That's because I work in OKC and everytime I buy ANYTHING in OKC..gas, motel, thunderbird tickets, groceries, home furnishings...I pay the frickin tax. So shut up.
Boomer, Washington - Nov 12, 2009 at 7:11 pm
well, I dont like maps, but I like Prater, who is reasonable and thoughtful.
Joe Bob, Norman - Nov 12, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Firefighters & Police Officers do make good wages and benefits as they should, but this is about SAFETY & staffing, not wages. The MAPS people & city would love you to think this is a wage issue,but its not, its about having enough people working to protect you and your family & friends.
I personally think the millionaires(Clay Bennet's Thunder, Devon, Chesapeek,This newspaper,Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce,etc...) already have enough money without the citizens of OKC supplimenting their projects.
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I think most people think that the cops and especially the firemen make enough money and have great benefits, so they aren't going to get much sympathy from the common folk.
Chris, Warr Acres - Nov 12, 2009 at 6:21 pm
"Interesting. Police and fire unions are against MAPS3, but a high-ranking former policeman and a high-ranking former firefighter are for it. Interesting story.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:24 pm"

Well, you answered your own question FORMER Fire Chief & FORMER Policeman, but CURRENT polaticians. Not to mention the Chief of the Fire Dept., which is what Councilman Marrs was, is just an extention of the city personell department. He was hated by nearly every member of the fire department anyway. I heard form one of his relatives he didn't get invited to his own family reunion (RE"UNION"). Hey, maybe thats why he hates unions.
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:50 pm
As for me , George in Edmond, I live in an Edmond zip code but physically in OKC. You'll find that is very common on the outer edges of OKC. And I will vote NO ! Dec.8th...
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:38 pm
For whatever reason my post about out-of-towners voicing their non-voting negatives posted under my dtr's name - she lives in Moore and doesn't have any more to say than those I previously cited. My name is Carol and I live in OKC and I will vote Yes on 12/8.
Holley, Moore - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:19 pm
My question in this is what voice does UnSub in Yukon, Geo in Edmond, Dan & Amber in Norman and David in Washington think they should have in OUR business. If you don't like what goes on in OKC stay in your little hamlets and keep your negative comments with you. You don't have a vote with us - so SHUT UP!
Holley, Moore - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:17 pm
"Let the police and fire employees propose another additional permanent sales tax if they wish and let the citizens vote on it. We are already paying a permanent sales tax for police and fire which passed in the 1990's.
MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 3:01 pm"

This 3/4 cent sales tax of '89 which promised more firefighters and police. Well, guess what they pay for the ones from the tax, but don't replace the ones from the general fund.So, essentially the tax goes into the cities general fund. Business as usual! If the other MAPS were so successful why are we having these problems now? Every city Dept. took a 2% budget cut this year & the Dept. heads were told to expect another cut in July for the next July. So, if we are in this desperate of a situation why not ask for $777 million dollars to continue your services without cuts?
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Mayor Mick could care less about anything in OKC except Bricktown. He doesn't care about any other part of the city.

Vote NO on Maps 3, or commonly known as Maps For Millionaires.
UnSub, Yukon - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Good job, John ... a very solid article.
Doug, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 5:01 pm
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The tax extension for the Thunder's Ford Center & practice facility is going to expire soon, March I believe, & they're want this to help suppliment it. Have no doubt they are afraid this will fail and will say anything to get it to pass. Don't be fooled by their lies VOTE NO!!!
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Wow, what a bunch of crap! This MAPS3 does nothing for anyone in Oklahoma City except for the rich fat cats downtown. There is not even going to be enough revenue to finish all the projects they have slated. They will either have to extend it longer or cut the projects. I hope the people of OKC are not fooled by this retoric.
If they had put the kind of things the people wanted in this MAPS they would not have to worry about it passing, but they didn't. They just put in the stuff their rich buddies wanted and thought we were all too stupid to notice it. Well we weren't and now they are scrambling.
Would some body please ask the Mayor about taking a job with the advertising agency Akerman & McQueen) that represnts many of the companies who will benefit from this....
GEORGE, EDMOND - Nov 12, 2009 at 4:53 pm
WHERE IS THE PAYOFF IN MAPS 3 FOR NEWSOK BLOGGERS? Everyone is else is getting one - why not me?????????????????????? THIS STINKS.
c, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 4:45 pm
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The poor folks, who stand to loose the most, should be running buses to the polling places. Unfortunately, that's the only way this thing will be voted down.
Amber, norman - Nov 12, 2009 at 4:30 pm
The rich get richer simple as that !!! Y'all all know this tax gonna pass no matter what. The fifty years I've been here the only people that vote on things like this are well off white's the poor could care less about voting on things like this I like to see a survey taken like at the metro bus station on people that ride the bus everyday or at a red andrews dinner from a person who has live here for at least the last 30years I'll bet they'll tell you the same thing I dont vote !! But we do pay taxes I didnt want a basketball team here but bam the rich wanted that and here it is and what a new tax to fix a place up we just built go figure eh but I see some shady dealing coming on after this deal passes because I know that money wont be spent on whats its intented for but they'll divert it somewhere's else and ask for more in another few years thats the norm here. But I leave it up the good rich people to take money out of my pocket again so their kids can live comfortably after I'm gone LOL
Redman, Oklahoma city - Nov 12, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Both MAPS projects have been incredibly positive for OKC. This one will also. I just wish it wasn't on sales taxes, which hurt the poor the most. Oklahoma is notorious for taxing the poor at a higher rate than other areas.
dan, norman - Nov 12, 2009 at 3:35 pm
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You sure as heck can't add, or even fund the salaries of, public safety employees with a temporary sales tax. These are recurring costs. What is going to pay these costs after the tax expires? Passage of MAPS III will improve the quality of life and spur more ecenomic development in downtown OKC. Economic development will spur sales tax growth.

Let the police and fire employees propose another additional permanent sales tax if they wish and let the citizens vote on it. We are already paying a permanent sales tax for police and fire which passed in the 1990's.
MBA, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 3:01 pm
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So the unions are going to fight passage of a tax that will ensure no one gets laid off and that more officers are hired? Good luck getting the rank and file guys to go along with that idea.
David, Washington - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:44 pm
All the time with Cornett it's TAX TAX TAX
James, oklahoma city - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:43 pm
way to cave in to the unions city. pure politics and hilarious watching them dance!
paul, oklahoma city - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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Prater and Cornett may need to be more concerned about the newly launched national campaign that is telling tourists not to bring their children to Oklahoma City due to the growing problem of the child molester minsitry called Hand Up Ministries in SEOKC. Neither of the two would do anything about controlling the growth of the place that now has nearly 150 rapists and child sex abusers from around the US living there and more coming into the bus station every day. Their MAPS 3 will now have to fight with the new motto 'OKC: Pedophile Capitol of America'.
James, oklahoma city - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:40 pm
dont the cops get enough revenue from all the stupid tickets they issue me on I35
Jordan, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Interesting. Police and fire unions are against MAPS3, but a high-ranking former policeman and a high-ranking former firefighter are for it. Interesting story.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 2:24 pm

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