Oklahoma gambling raid may be tip of iceberg
Thousands of machines believed to be in state

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BY RON JACKSON
Published: October 30, 2008

State investigators spent Wednesday taking inventory from a Tuesday raid that netted 41 unlicensed gaming machines, promotional documents and more than $17,000 in cash from five metro-area bars and restaurants.

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"These machines are all over the state,” said the lead agent, who asked to remain anonymous because of his undercover work for the state Horse Racing Commission.

The agency targeted six businesses in the metro area it suspected of illegally operating casino-type, electronic games.

Only one — Thunder Roadhouse Cafe on Memorial Road — had no machines on the premises when agents arrived with a search warrant.

Who enforces them?
Each business either held or had applied for a license to conduct off-track wagering, thus falling under the jurisdiction of the Horse Racing Commission and opening itself up to inspection. Off-track wagering allows people to gamble on live horse races via satellite.

But agents said there is a lot of "grey area” in jurisdictional enforcement of gaming machines.

"If they gave us the resources and the manpower to take care of it, we would,” the agent said. "But all we have is a shoestring budget. I’d estimate there are anywhere from 4,000 to 5,000 of these devices operating in the state. Let’s just say each is making $250 a day. Do the math.”

Why are they illegal?
Constantin Rieger, the agency’s executive director, said there is no way to know how many such gaming machines are in operation statewide.

Rieger said he marvels at how the business owners are able to pawn the machines off as "amusement games” or "sweepstakes games” on which patrons can purchase a "phone card” and then play for cash winnings.

"To me, the legal definition is clear,” Rieger said. "The games are illegal.”

The State-Tribal Gaming Act allows only two entities to operate gaming machines in Oklahoma — tribal nations and licensed horse- racing tracks.

"In this jurisdiction, if there are businesses out there operating these machines in violation of the law, we will go after them,” Oklahoma County district attorney David Prater said of the operations.

Prater will review the evidence from the raid to determine whether charges will be filed.

Undercover agents have been startled by how boldly business owners promoted their games.

‘No one’s untouchable’
Rockafella’s Pools & Games, from which agents confiscated 31 games and $9,800 Tuesday, advertised its gaming experience in a magazine titled the "Bingo Newsline of Oklahoma.”

The magazine ad boasted "for every $1,000 in, we pay $720.”

A sign was taken from Rockafella’s that read: "Cashier must verify all winning points before cashing out. If cashier doesn’t verify points, the points will not be paid until an audit is performed.”

Agents who played the machines while working undercover said the points translated to dollars in a game of chance.

"The message?” one agent said.

"The message is no one’s untouchable.”


 

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N, Bartlesville - Nov 1, 2008 at 2:04 am
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The tribal nations and horse racing track lobbies are the only groups that want this enforced. It just doesn't make sense that the only kind of legal casinos in Oklahoma are Indian owned(with the exception to horse racing). The State-Tribal Gaming Act allows a one group to keep a monopoly on gambling in Oklahoma. An "it's illegal to gamble in Oklahoma unless your losing money to us" approach.
Clayton, Norman - Oct 31, 2008 at 11:31 am
actually there are for tracks, remington park, blue ribbon downs in sallisaw, will rogers in claremore and fair meadows in tulsa.
Josh, shawnee - Oct 30, 2008 at 11:47 pm
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All of Oklahoma was lied to years ago when Roy Clark was making the ad for legalized horse gambling in Okla. with his,"Let 'em run!" Ben McCain was a reporter for Channel 4 at that time and came to our dairy for a feature story. He insisted there would be little race tracks in every county and he really got pissed off at us for saying it will only be a few tracks. We had horsemen for neighbors and they knew what was going to happen. They wanted to at least have races at county fairs. I'm not into horse racing. How many legal tracks are there? Isn't it only at Salisaw and Okla.City? I guess there ought to be betting on the N.B.A. games at the Ford Center. Just say "It's for the kids."
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Why is there not competition allowed? Because of crooked politicians look at places like Mississippi or Colorado there casinos stay competive because of competition. If you want to continue to have the Texans come to Oklahoma and not Louisiana the state will allow competition with private and tribal casinos.
jeremy , plano - Oct 30, 2008 at 6:37 pm
WHY.....GREAT POINT. I BELIEVE IT IS MORE FROM THE THE LOBBY OF THE OKLAHOMA HORSEMEN THAN THE COMMISSION ITSELF THOUGH. TRUST ME, IF THEIR RACE TRACK HAD BEEN GIVEN THE SAME GAMES AS THE TRIBES(AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING) AND THE PERKS THAT ALSO WENT TO THE TRIBES, THE HORSEMEN WOULDNT CARE LESS WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE OTB'S. THE HORSEMEN ARE A HUGE LOBBY AT THE CAPIITOL, BUT NOT AS BIG AS THE TRIBES AND THE VOTE THEY GENERATED FOR BARACK OHENRY.JUST LIKE CUSTER, THEY WERE OUTNUMBERED!
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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I have seen Remington Park Officials at some of these OTB sites where the machines were raided...(4 of them)... betting on horse races and playing these machines. RP officials never said they were illegal and would they be playing them if they were? YES!!!!! as long as they didnt get caught. I've even seen okc police playing machines at convenience stores.... this is a big bunch of mess and my god do they not have anything else to do. Looks like to me the OHRC is working on a pay raise and standing tall from a political point of view.
why, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2008 at 3:17 pm
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Josh, next time your in a convenience store and you see what appears to be a minor being sold cigarettes and their is not an ABLE agent availble, try calling the State Fire Marshal's Office.....they have state wide juridiction also.
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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One can go to the race track and bet on horses and play machines, one can also bet on horses at selact locations off the track, but not play the same machines at these locations. Why? Would it violate the crooked compact that Barack Ohenry signed with the tribes. We certainly would not want to short change any of them would we?
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:29 pm
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Josh,Thackerville was an illegal race track being operated with illegal betting taking place. Until the AG makes a ruling on these machines, their authority lies within legal and illegal horseracing and legal and illegal gaming at their race tracks and OTB's.We do not have a gaming commision with an enforcement body attached to it in this state.The agents involved are with the Oklahoma Horse Racing Commission.....key word.....Horse Racing and since there are a couple of tracks in Oklahoma that have gaming machines, they fall under them just as the OTB's do. Any time a gaming machine is opened at a race track, a gaming agent must be present by law.Thats why ABLE,OSBI,OHP,OBN, Game Wardens and any other state agency are not involved unless asked by the OHRC for assistance.It is not their job to regulate and monitor them.I am curious though why in a sense OTB's are part of the racing industry and their tracks, why they have not put any of the machines that they have at their tracks in their OTB locations?
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:19 pm
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Or.......perhaps the OEA should be the regulatory agency for gambling in Oklahoma. If my memory serves me right, the Casinos such as RP and our fine lottery were for "the children" and their education according to Barack Ohenry.
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:06 pm
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Ummm yeah they regulate legal gambling and legal otbs and racetracks. But they also regulate illegal gambling statewide outside tribal land!Anyone remmeber Thackerville last year?
Josh, shawnee - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:05 pm
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You people really need to get a life and enforce something that really matters!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:03 pm
They are state agents who's juridiction is statewide, but they do not regulate gambling statewide....only at race tracks and OTB locations. Read the statute completely before posting.
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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The state just needs to be real.... They are not gtting any funds from this type of operation so they want to cry. Regulate and everyone would profit, the tribes anf tracks would not loose a cent over it.
Ben Dover, America - Oct 30, 2008 at 1:57 pm
According to state statue Oklahoma Horse Racing Agents are STATE AGENTS! Just like OSBI, ABLE etc. They regulate all legal and illegal gambling across Oklahoma! If they didnt then illegal gambling would run rampid across the state.
Josh, shawnee - Oct 30, 2008 at 1:55 pm
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Let me get this straight? Gambling *and* corruption? I would have never thought it would happen.
Jason, Seattle - Oct 30, 2008 at 1:48 pm
First of all I do not gamble but not against those that do. Although I can see Remington's complaint because even though these machines don't even begin to knock a dent in what they bring in at RP,they are in competition to them after these businesses were granted OTB. You can thank our wonderful Gov. Barack Ohenry for redistibuting the wealth to all the tribes in Oklahoma. They dont even pay a third of what other tribes do in other states in their compacts. If RP were able to have the same games as the tribes, this would not be as big an issue as what it has become.FYI: these machines are not the same as what are at RP and all the trible casinos. Go play them and any fool outside the Governor's mansion could see this.I am glad RP have what they do, but they are not allowed to play as equals to the tribal casinos. They should have been given the same instead of Barack Ohenry trying to make us believe the horsemen in Oklahoma were starving and needed this to keep the race track open. Think they are starving? Next time your at the track or the fair grounds during a horse show.......take a look at their trucks and equipment sitting there. Finally, I know for a fact that the AG's office has refused to rule on these machines in question for the past 5-6 years. Will we see a ruling now?
john, yukon - Oct 30, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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Horseracing is dying and everyone knows it, Remington wants to take everyone down with them and their crooked casino...
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Where is the full list of bars targeted? I know of at least one on Portland and about 36th street.
Kevin, Tulsa - Oct 30, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Constantin Regier, the agency's executive director? Any relation to that crooked former Oklahoma bureaucrat Jerry Regier? "Each business either held or had applied for a license to conduct off-track wagering..." Remmington trying to eliminate any and all competition? Although I don't gamble other than to drive on Oklahoma streets and highways, something stinks here...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2008 at 11:38 am
The Oklahoman didn't identify the agent making comments because he was "undercover" and thus need to be anonymous. How naive can this reporter be. Undercover police never use their real name. Their true identity is a public record because they are on the state payroll but refusing to identify the state employee making these silly arguments is tantamount to The Oklahoman helping cover up what is clearly a government agency overstepping its authority. The agent must think he/she is Elliot Ness by making the "untouchable" analogy.
Dave, Oklahoma City - Oct 30, 2008 at 10:53 am
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It looks to me like the Horseracing Commission is doing this to eliminate competition. I'd say that this is conflict of interest.
HELEN, NOBLE - Oct 30, 2008 at 10:29 am
Sounds like Thunder Roadhouse Cafe got tipped off that a raid was coming. Where is the investigation on that?
Jeff, Moore - Oct 30, 2008 at 10:26 am
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If the horse racing track didn't have their own casino, I bet nobody would care how many of these machines were out in bars.
Pam, Seminole - Oct 30, 2008 at 9:39 am
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