Oklahoma State football: Sports Illustrated report chat transcript

by John Helsley and Mike Sherman Modified: September 10, 2013 at 2:38 pm •  Published: September 10, 2013
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Oklahoma State beat writer John Helsley and Sports Editor Mike Sherman chatted with readers Tuesday about a Sports Illustrated report that claims several OSU football players, from 2001 to 2011, received payment for performance and no-show jobs. Below is an unedited transcript of the chat.

NewsOK 9:26 a.m. John Helsley will be logging in soon to take your questions. Start submitting them now.

During the chat, Gina Mizell will be tweeting updates about the report.
John Helsley 9:34 a.m. OK, I'm here on this crazy morning. Ready to field your questions and share what I can. My first season covering OSU football was 1998, so I was around for all of this time period. Not that I know all the inside stuff, but I can provide some insight to what I did see and hear.
Brian 9:35 a.m. Pickens was so embarrassed following OSU's 1989 penalties that he disassociated himself from the football program for about a decade. You think Pickens does the same now?
John Helsley 9:38 a.m. I can't begin to speak for Mr. Pickens. I know he's serious about not wanting cheating going on at his university. Unless Gundy is attached to some real NCAA violations, I would guess the time frame involved and the distance from the main issues revealed -- so far -- will be the key.
McLuvin 9:38 a.m. Did the past players that were quoted in the article get paid by SI?
John Helsley 9:38 a.m. Wouldn't think so. That's not usually how it works. But if/when I get some these guys on the phone, I'll definitely ask.
Will 9:39 a.m. it seems that most of the accusations are coming from players who were 1)kicked off the team 2) left the team under questionable circumstances or 3) were unable to continue academically. That being said doesnt it limit the credibility of the accusations?
John Helsley 9:42 a.m. Will, you are correct. This is a disgruntled cast of characters, for the most part. That doesn't mean what they say isn't true, but it definitely makes you pause. Along with that, they never once quoted any player said to have received money, but denied it. They basically dismissed it with a single line saying that the player denied the allegations. Not sure why that alternative voice is missing, when it would have been easy to include.
Brian L. 9:43 a.m. From your time covering OSU, what is your gut feeling on these allegations? I assume with all of the reporters around big-time programs there is usually some knowledge of improprieties if they exist?
John Helsley 9:45 a.m. We don't hear everything, of course. But we do see and hear some stuff. I was never aware of any of things alleged, obviously, or I would have reported them. And in talking to many former players the past few days, they are appalled at what is being alleged and who is saying it. Now, is it likely that some of this took place? Absolutely. There's some dirt in everyone's kitchen.
JeffB 9:46 a.m. As the beat writer, what do you feel is your obligation in a story such as this?
John Helsley 9:49 a.m. It's layered. First, we report what SI is writing. Then, we do our own reporting, talking to former players -- both those making the claims and anyone else who wants to talk. And we line up what may be of interest to you, our readers. Who are these guys making the claims? Who are the writers? What does it mean? And much more.
Vince 9:49 a.m. Why is the story just now coming out? Has OSU known this was coming?
John Helsley 9:50 a.m. SI is claiming it received information some 10 months ago and started to go after it then. I believe that OSU has known about it for a while, not that long, but when they started getting word from former players and coaches that they were being interviewed.
Jay 9:52 a.m. I'd like to see a listing (a database if you will) of all of those interviewed, their playing years and their ultimate reason for leaving the team (eg, graduation/eligibility exhaustion, drugs, academic, injury, transfer, etc). I think the list would be quite telling.
John Helsley 9:52 a.m. We're on it. It will be in the paper tomorrow. "The Cast."
Scott 9:54 a.m. Don't you feel that IF this was happening, and had been dating back to 2001, that some light would have been shed on this earlier than 12 years later?
John Helsley 9:55 a.m. You would think so. Sometimes it takes a while for things to come to light. But it's an excellent question.
Concerned 9:56 a.m. The 3 main players quoted all got kicked off the team in 2005 - does that hurt the credibility of the story?
John Helsley 9:59 a.m. With OSU fans, it will hurt credibility. On a national scale, people will read and believe, which is the PR problem that OSU faces. Nationally, folks won't know those guys' stories. And in the coming days, some of those guys will likely even be made to out to be sympathetic figures.
Jared 9:59 a.m. What is your immediate gut feeling on possible NCAA sanctions after only the first part being released?
John Helsley 10:01 a.m. I honestly don't know. There is a statute of limitations involved and much of this dates way back. But there are connections, too, that link Gundy and DeForest more recently. And if the NCAA finds any of it to be true, then there could be consequences.
Alex 10:02 a.m. I don't believe any of it but John did you see the "Star"players driving nice new cars!
John Helsley 10:04 a.m. I did not. And many players, star players, are active on Twitter right now talking about the less-than-stellar cars they drove. Ugo Chinasa said he couldn't get new cleats or a hoody. And there are plenty more like that.
Tim 10:04 a.m. Old guard programs such as Ohio State, OU, Texas,etc... could with stand this maybe with a short term lapse. Will OSU meet a modern day dealh penalty?
John Helsley 10:07 a.m. OSU's compliance department, based on what it knows -- and of course, there is more to come, but the "Money" report figures to be most damaging in this regard -- doesn't believe that they are facing any significant NCAA issues.
JeffB 10:07 a.m. John: You do a great job. Thanks.
Guest 10:07 a.m. I'd like to see a list of past articles that Thayer Evans has written about OSU... He seems to have a vendeta against Okstate
Rufus 10:08 a.m. Ive heard Blackmon got paid for some birthday appearances from a certain recruiter. Any word on that?
John Helsley 10:09 a.m. OSU and the NCAA investigated these claims, also initiated by a certain writer by the name of Evans, and found no wrongdoing.
Andrew 10:10 a.m. Why are OSU fans fixated on Thayer Evans?
John Helsley 10:11 a.m. Because he's written several previous stories about OSU, most of them unflattering and some of them involving bad information.
oh man... 10:16 a.m. Let the fact checking begin!!! Lets say this is all true, what can come from this
John Helsley 10:19 a.m. Well, already, it's a major PR hit for the university. Recruiting could suffer, and you can bet opposing coaches will use it on the recruiting trail. And if the NCAA finds any of the allegations to have happened within the last four years -- or a lack of institutional control that links it all -- then there could be penalties.
DWC 10:20 a.m. Don't you imagine that if OSU gets 10+ wins this year none of this will stick in PR terms? It's so old. The whistleblowers are disgruntled outsiders and the main guys deny it when they have no incentive not to "come clean" if it was true, I just don't see anything a 10 win season won't wipe away.
Stephanie 10:21 a.m. Tatum Bell is currently denying this whole money part of the story per his Twiiter feed
John Helsley 10:23 a.m. Here's the great PR question. In today's age of immediacy and what's next and social media, how long will the black eye last? Who is still talking about Riley Cooper? The monster is always ready to consume the next victim. Now, SI has assured that this will linger a while, with a series that extends out. But will anybody be talking about it in December? Perhaps only if the NCAA finds reason to keep it alive.
Guest 10:24 a.m. I know there's plenty still to be "exposed", with 4 more parts to come. What, if any, plan is the university putting in place to address, shoot down, however one wants to state it, these claims? It's likely not to look as bad to the folks in this area, but how can it best be addressed nationally in your opinion?
Guest 10:24 a.m. The good thing is we have a fantastic group of Young guys If it does hurt recruiting at all. It's not like we get many big recruits anyways.
Busby 10:24 a.m. Seems all the 'good' players are denying everything, while the disgruntled players are saying they 'heard' about it. Whatever.
John Helsley 10:28 a.m. OSU has a team in place, including in-house and outside PR people. The compliance department has been examining the allegations they've known. Getting the word out nationally is difficult. Most of the national media won't be as focused on OSU as we are locally, they are just "skimmers" of the news.
tobey 10:28 a.m. What is the si agenda? get college players paid?
Robert 10:28 a.m. I wonder if the "published in 5 parts" deal is to increase the sensationalist nature of all of this. Do Sports Illustrated readers have that short of an attention span to read it all in one sitting?
john 10:29 a.m. What comments have officials from the school made that you know of??
Guest 10:31 a.m. John, I'm glad you're on the story. I appreciate your level-headed, fair approach to this type of sensationalized journalism.
Guest 10:32 a.m. not taking sides, but makes one wonder what was known "years" ago. haven't added numbers, but Gundy hasn't sent near the amount of players packing that he did in his first year or two.
John Helsley 10:32 a.m. I thought Holder's statement yesterday was the right tact, take the news and investigate and see what's there, instead of going in defense mode. Otherwise, they've been waiting for the story to run, so they could digest it all, see who was involved and react accordingly. I expect a press conference at some point soon.
Mike 10:34 a.m. all we need is a johnny football exposing and we are forgotten.
Dustin, Still proud2B OSU alum 10:34 a.m. I'm an OSU fan/grad and I'm disgusted with what I read. The question I have is, is the NCAA going to pursue the people behind it or are they going to punish the university. It looks like to me that Miles as well as a lot of other coaches that moved on used it as a stepping stone and were rewarded for the cheating while OSU gets stuck holding the check.
TH 10:36 a.m. I was roommates with two football players and hung out with Girtman, Coxeff among many others. They were nice guys but total deadbeats and I could have identified them as the sources before this was known. Is there information on whether these guys were paid for their interviews? I read somewhere they got $2500 for their on-record interviews, any validity?
John Helsley 10:37 a.m. Don't know, but will ask?
Guest 10:38 a.m. Should OSU officials wait until the last of the articles before making a statement, or address them daily as they are released?
Brian 10:38 a.m. Isn't the most disturbing thing about this is that so many fans aren't bothered other than to say "everyone does it"? No, everyone doesn't do it.
tom 10:38 a.m. A few players coming out saying no one was paid. Tatum Bell for example above. So Tatum is 1) lieing 2) didn't know 3) wasn
John Helsley 10:40 a.m. Guest, great PR question. When and how often do you respond? I'd think that this initial report needs to be addressed in some fashion. In the least, I'd think that someone at the university needs to be available to answer questions.
JW 10:41 a.m. I don't believe OSU needs to even address any of these issues. They need to have a press conference and state that they will investigate the report, but see no validity in the story. This is an embarassment to SI.
John Helsley 10:44 a.m. Brian, I'm going to go off on a bit of a soapbox here... This is the society we have created, where football and Hollywood and all forms of entertainment have us all mesmerized and wanting more. It doesn't happen everywhere? Only in places where huge stadiums exist and major money flows in. Everywhere else, maybe not.
Guest 10:44 a.m. John, will you be reaching out to any of the players who SI got their sources from?
John Helsley 10:45 a.m. Yes, absolutely. I want to hear from both sides.
Robbie 10:45 a.m. So lets get this straight...Deny, Deny, Deny. Assassinate the character of the writers and the players that were interviewed. Anything but believe that your favorite team is dirty? Then turn around and talk about how dirty your rival team is. Still waiting for some sort of proof that these players are lying or gaining something from their lies and something showing this writer that is so evil has printed anything that was a lie? Not something that is hard to proove but an out and out lie.
Alex 10:46 a.m. This is only part 1. Can you imagine the rest.....
BJ 10:47 a.m. I live in Baton Rouge and grew-up in KY and I can tell you Thayer Evans and Pete Thamel have made their names on stuff like this that never produces anything except PR for them!! Don't worry OSU fans all will be good!!
Guest 10:47 a.m. Do you think these articles/article will affect the jobs of any current staff?
John Helsley 10:51 a.m. On their own, these articles won't affect anyone's job status. But if OSU's -- or the NCAA's -- own investigations prove anyone currently employed to be involved in wrongdoings, then it could be trouble.
Guest 10:52 a.m. From article-"Shaw says that after he decided to attend Oklahoma State in 2001 as a senior at Shawnee (Okla.) High, a booster gave him between $400 and $500." Seymour Shaw did not decide to attend OSU as a senior at Shawnee. Shaw was an OU signee that year. Shaw was also a partial qualifier and was actually in the Sooners preseason camp doing drills. OU decided to use their designated partial qualifier (they could sign one every two years, may want to check on that though so don't quote me on that one) on tight end James Moses instead of Shaw and they had no room for Shaw So Shaw then decided to attend OSU long after signing day. Shaw was still an OU guy well into August. No way Shaw could have received $400 and $500 to attend OSU.
Mark 10:53 a.m. Will Gundy flash the "money" sign when Walsh throws a TD pass this week-end?
Steve 10:53 a.m. SInce this is so "Les Miles" heavy, is it possible that the NCA could open up investigations at LSU or (like most major crimes) do they need a solid reason to go in-depth in Baton Rouge?
John Helsley 10:54 a.m. Not likely to follow Miles to Baton Rouge. There is a statute of limitations of four years.
Guest 10:55 a.m. Will SI continue to "investigate" other college programs, or was this just a one-time deal? Why did they choose OSU out of the 100+ major college programs?
John Helsley 10:55 a.m. My guess, Thayer Evans.
Darryl 10:56 a.m. Your thoughts on the Seymour Shaw comment from Guest. (actually me but I forgot to put my name in. Kind of throws the whole integrity of the article into question doesn't it? If they can't get that right what else have they gotten wrong.
John Helsley 10:57 a.m. I had actually forgotten (getting old) that Shaw had signed with OU and didn't make his way to Stillwater until after the Sooners let him go. Not a great job of fact checking.
GrannieDee 10:58 a.m. No more SI in my house.
John Helsley 10:59 a.m. Jason Whitlock on twitter called Thayer Evans' involvement with this story "The journalistic crime of the century."
Josiah 11:00 a.m. You seem to do a lot of crushing of a fellow journalist there John.
David 11:00 a.m. The following part of the story gives some insight into why OSU was the chosen school for the article: "In 2006 an internal investigation at Oklahoma revealed that Sooners quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn worked a few hours a week at a car dealership but filed padded time sheets and collected thousands of dollars in unearned income. The players were dismissed from the team in a scandal that rocked Norman. But the Sooners' violations paled next to the bogus jobs 83 miles away, in Stillwater."
John Helsley 11:01 a.m. I'm letting the chatters -- and readers -- comment. That's what we're here for. It's a chat, which involves a two-way conversation.
John Helsley 11:01 a.m. SI actually stated online that Evans started hearing about something at OSU 10 months ago, which is when they pursued it. Proven?
Robbie 11:03 a.m. Can you proove that Thayer Evans sought out OSU John? I know as a superior journalist to Thayer you would not want to write anything that you couldnt proove.
John Helsley 11:03 a.m. There, did that out of order.
Guest 11:04 a.m. I think ultimately there will be some improprities found as there may be something under the rug of any school (with or without their knowledge), but this is very suspicious of that there is no oposite position recoreded of any of the players accused who weren't directly quoted. Okstate will suffer from a PR issue and even if entirely false it will take some time to recover. If there is great truth to these alligations, then OSU needs to show doing the right thing and cleaning up any remaining issues or enforceable issues voluntarily.
Brian 11:04 a.m. Interesting how the players don't actually NAME the boosters who paid them.
Eric S. 11:04 a.m. Evans heard about things that happened ten years ago ten months ago? That's ironic and hard to believe.
Mark 11:08 a.m. Robbie, just Google Thayer Evans and see his history of OSU bashing. He definitely has a burr in his saddle against OSU. Other journalists (Jason Whitlock) are also questioning his credibility.
Guest 11:09 a.m. I doubt everything in the article is true but I also doubt it's all lies . But I do believe what ever happened Gundy cleaned it up.
John Helsley 11:16 a.m. Where there's this much smoke, there's almost always some fire. Schools self-report violations on themselves all the time, although most are minor. Schools constantly have to police themselves and their boosters, players, etc. One of Gundy's first moves was to let a number of guys go, some of whom are sources in this story. Does that mean he has completely cleaned the program up? Can't say that with certainty, but it's been a constant talking point.
Mike 11:17 a.m. As an OU grad that supports OSU, I really think this whole thing needs to slow down a bit. First, its one thing to have accusations made that cast dispersions on a school, but something entirely different to prove them. Not a shred of proof has been given as of yet. So far, all we know is that there are some upset former players saying they and others got paid. Let's let this whole thing play out a bit and hope that the negative PR does not do too much damage.
David 11:17 a.m. Here's a good synopsis of Thayer Evans regard for OSU and Mike Gundy: http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/thayer-evans-takes-down-oklahoma-state
Guest 11:18 a.m. Out of that entire article, I remember two bits of information that are interesting: the debit card and the booster phone list. Pre-paid debit cards are nearly impossible to track so there's not much to be found there ... unless a player still had the card, which is unlikely once it stopped getting refilled. On the other hand, a booster phone list seems like it could stick around much longer as the player simply has phone numbers to call to allegedly get more money. You'd think one or the other would turn up at some point if they existed.
sooner born 11:19 a.m. The main thing from todays article that I see that OSU should possibly worry about is the compliance issues. If Deforest was paying players to work at his house( which the article states he admitted) then he sould have notified Compliance. The article state Complaiance had not records. That plus the possible pay for Speaking engagements seem to me the most damaging of the article.
Ron 11:22 a.m. Oklahoma State should hire a public relations crisis management firm to stop the bleeding, maybe the same one Penn State hired. The crisis has occurred and this has entered the Damage Control stage. TBP has poured millions into this athletic program, and he doesn't want his reputation soiled. Lots of stakeholders affected here. While football fans are focused on the alleged improprieties of the team, ultimately the greater issue will be the loss of academic integrity and reputation due to alleged grade changing. If true, this decreases the value of every Oklahoma State diploma.
Guest 11:22 a.m. Yves Batoba has found some interesting old Twitter comments...
Mike Sherman 11:23 a.m. About to jump on the chat for John Helsley so he can resume reporting on this story. Thanks for the questions and converation. Happy to keep it going.
Rusty 11:23 a.m. And how are these allegations made against Okie State any different from what goes on at 90% of the SEC campuses?
Mike Sherman 11:25 a.m. Rusty, Sports Illustrated's reporters, in a video embedded with the story, said part of the difference is that they found all this in once place (money, academic fraud, sex, drugs). I'm sure someone could do a Nexis or Google search and find this grand-slam of wrong doing at other places too. I don't know about your 90 percent figure, but I get the point.
John Helsley 11:25 a.m. @ybatoba for anyone interested in following the Cowboy walkon...
OKLAHOMAN 11:26 a.m. If some or most of these allegations prove to be false, do you see OSU suing or go after SI in any way?
Mike Sherman 11:27 a.m. I see no chance of that. In fact, Mike Holder is quotes as saying to Sports Illustrated's writers, "I guess I should thank you." I took his comments yesterday, and that comment (if true) to say that Oklahoma State is taking a different stance toward this report. It's not defiant, for sure.
Brian 11:27 a.m. What do you think Holder said to the other Big 12 ADs when he called them? What do you think they think of these allegations?
John Helsley 11:28 a.m. I always liked Les when he was at OSU. He was approachable and likable. He answered questions, including the tough ones. I believe there is a lot of misplaced angst when it comes to him.
Mike Sherman 11:28 a.m. He let them know what was coming down. He likely told West Virginia that Larry DeForest was about to be implicated and the same for Texas and Larry Porter. The Big 12 Conference members are business partners, so he likely did what any businessman would do in such a partnership.
pdpay 11:29 a.m. Les Miles is well known for his ability to recruit 5 star sthletes -- we now know why -- he should take the fall, not Gundy
sooner born 11:29 a.m. Jason Whitlock has no credibility so why is he talking.
John Helsley 11:30 a.m. OK, folks, I'm letting the boss take over from here. Some great lively discussion here. I'm off to do some reporting....
Mike Sherman 11:30 a.m. Jason Whitlock is on the Sports Animal right now (98.1 FM). He worked with Thayer Evans at Fox Sports. He has a problem with the credibility of Evans' reporting and with Evans and he's airing it. That's what Whitlock does.
Eric S. 11:30 a.m. John, what do you think are the short and long term implications from this SI article?
Mike Sherman 11:34 a.m. Here a couple: 1) Shame. I think people like Burns Hargis, Mike Holder, Mike Gundy and others have good reason to feel shame. 2) Joe DeForest will be soon out of a job. I can't imagine West Virginia sticking with him in light of these allegations. He had already been demoted. I'm not sure WVU will see keeping him as worth the trouble.
Brian 11:34 a.m. Shouldn't OSU's biggest worries be Boone Pickens stops giving money to athletics? After all, he's already said he's through if OSU is caught cheating.
Mike Sherman 11:36 a.m. Brian: Here's what I tweeted about an hour or so ago: Boone Pickens past quote: "'I’ve given the school a lot of money, but if there is any cheating, I’m through.” #OKState” Let's wait and see how much this wrongdoing is tied to the current coaching staff. There's references to some of the allegations dating to as recent as 2011, but there was nothing like that in Round 1. I don't see Pickens bailing on OSU based on what I've read so far.
Guest 11:36 a.m. Has anyone heard if Boone has come out with any statements regarding this?
Mike Sherman 11:36 a.m. Not yet. We talked to his representative this morning and were told that he could make a statement today. We've requested an interview.
Steve from guthrie 11:36 a.m. What does it take for a source to be considered credible? What criteria does the Oklahoman follow?
Mike Sherman 11:40 a.m. First-hand knowledge. A history of being in the know and credible. One of the big things is to give the context of how they know. One of the most important questions for any source is "how do you know this?" If someone told them that's not the kind of source you quote or cite. It can be the kind of source who leads you to other sources. I also think it's important to give the context on the source. it's strange to me that it was never mentioned that Brad Girtman was kicked off the team. That seems relevant.
JK68 11:40 a.m. I can't wait to see the list of players interviewed and the terms on which they left the university and/or the football program. That being said - I hope there is no fire with all this smoke. However, I will say - never trust a grown man (coach) who wears his hat backwards.
Mike Sherman 11:42 a.m. JK68, I'm going to take an issue with the last part of your statement. I saw an assistant coach at my son's high school on Friday night. He's a former Navy captain and pilot. He had his hat on backwards, and I'm pretty sure that it's more comfortable to wear a headset that way..... As for the first part, The Oklahoman's Mike Baldwin, who covered Oklahoma State football through most of the years cited in this report, is working on a story on the cast of players quoted in this story and their backgrounds. Coming to NewsOK soon.
Guest 11:43 a.m. Hey Mike Sherman, are you saying that these accusations are true? Seems like you've already rushed to judgement....
Mike Sherman 11:43 a.m. No, I am not saying they're true. I'm am saying they are serious and Oklahoma State is taking them as such.
Guest 11:43 a.m. biggest worry is recruits leaving....had a pretty good looking class in the making. no 5 stars that you would expect with the crap SI is spouting. but solid kids.....
Mike Sherman 11:48 a.m. If there's something more recent, than the NCAA will have it's say and that could impact recruiting. There's an inference that some of it dates to 2011. Nothing concrete, though. If there are specific allegations that are more recent, it will impact recruiting because it will mean there could be NCAA penalties looming.
T.R. 11:48 a.m. Some of the sourced players admitted to fraud when working on the stadium job. They said they signed in and hid all day or left for the day and came back to sign out. Was it the school's responsibility to make sure they actually worked or was it the contractor's. Maybe both. Cushy jobs, inconsequential "make work" jobs, good pay for very little work, etc. are given to athletes everywhere, even at high schools. It's wrong, but OSU shouldn't be singled out for it.
Guest 11:53 a.m. The jabs at John Talley in the story seem to be hitting a lot of former players especially hard
Mike Sherman 11:54 a.m. I thought the same thing when I read it. That quote about hiding all day and not working discredited him. "Mickens says he was paid for the entire summer but worked at most a week. "I'd sign in and I'd go hide," he says." Does anyone think that makes Calvin Mickens look credible. Makes him look untrustworthy.

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Bill 11:55 a.m. This is all hype no one cares outside of Oklahoma. This is just hear say. Texas, USC, AM, Bama way biger storys out side of Oklahoma.
Will 11:55 a.m. what do you think of this?https://twitter.com/OrangePowerCom/status/377471688423661568/photo/1
Mike Sherman 11:58 a.m. I think Rodrick Johnson's quotes here are interesting. He denies being paid and says he is embarrassed and ashamed of the article.
Guest 11:58 a.m. recruiting can take a hit without ncaa stepping in just because of the story being out there. that is more likely. recruits backing out on their own.
Mike Sherman 11:59 a.m. I think top-flight recruits deciding between top-notch schools will use all kinds of tiebreakers to make up their mind. And some will avoid trouble. Some won't be bothered by it at all. Some will think it's mostly in the past. And some will have parents that will be turned off by the whole thing. We'll see.
Guest 11:59 a.m. because this story names a staff member at WVU and Texas I would disagree that no one outside of Oklahoma cares
Guest 12:00 p.m. I've read a couple of different reasons as to why SI began this investigation. The first one I heard was that Evans "heard" these things about 10 months ago, and so SI dropped what it was doing to take on this investigation, which is what was stated in the video included in the article.
Guest 12:00 p.m. have you seen Rodrick Johnson's response?!
Mike Sherman 12:00 p.m. Repeating, here it is: https://twitter.com/OrangePowerCom/status/377471688423661568/photo/1
Bill 12:00 p.m. I dont know if one can look at this story and say that its all false or that it is all true. I think you have to admit on some of this could be true and some of this is flat out flase. I will wait to see what the investigation shows. Dont think it will be that bad once the dust clears.
Paul 12:01 p.m. Just saw the video and I understand why some of them were willing to talk, but why hasn't anyone said anything about SI paying them 2,500 for an interview?
Mike Sherman 12:01 p.m. How do you know that, Paul?
Alum in AZ 12:02 p.m. I appreciate the tone Holder took, and am glad the university is taking it seriously. Was very disappointed to see the accusations go toward Talley and FCA... but have been pleased to read comments by Bajema this morning coming to his defense... will be interesting to see this play out.
Mike Sherman 12:03 p.m. The most concerning thing about Talley is that the OSU compliance officer said the alleged speaking engagements were not cleared through the compliance office and that Talley had been told he could not pay for speaking engagements.
Bill 12:04 p.m. I live outside of Oklahoma and I can tell you no one cares. More on Texas/USC issuces and fate of Coaching staff than this.
Mike Sherman 12:05 p.m. Bill, one of my pet peeves is people who don't care about something speaking on behalf of everyone else. If you don't care, what are you doing on a live chat in the middle of the day commenting on something you don't care about. Are you just bored or do you spend all of your time on things you don't care about. Odd.
Mike Sherman 12:05 p.m. If you don't care, Bill, you have a funny way of showing it.
Bill 12:05 p.m. OSU will not take that big of a hit. Look at the Ducks anyone recal the aligations?
Mike Sherman 12:05 p.m. Other post from someone who doesn't care.
Guest 12:05 p.m. They claim to have video of all the interviews though, so it should be pretty easy to prove or disprove Rodrick's statements. But it means either SI is lying, or one of their sources is now lying... either way...
Mike Sherman 12:06 p.m. My grandmother had a saying I love to repeat, "There's two sides to every story, and then there's the truth."
Don 12:06 p.m. Did whistleblower Hart Lee Dykes ever prove that OU assistant gave him $1000.00? Didn't that contribute heavily to sanction's against the Sooner? OSU fans seemed to be taking Dykes side back then.
Mike Sherman 12:07 p.m. Can't say specifically today and I'm not blessed with time to dig through the archives to answer your question right now, but I will say that the NCAA thought enough of those allegations to put OU on probation too.
Guest 12:08 p.m. The compliance issues are the biggest issues. Compliance contradicts Talley and DeForest. Credibility of the other players can be questioned. A coach and booster contradicting compliance looks bad
Matt 12:08 p.m. From what I heard some of the players involved are now dead, how did they get those interviews? Crap journalism at it's best.
Mike Sherman 12:09 p.m. Matt, a careful reading of the story will show that they did not interview dead players and don't claim to have. They had other players alleged that those players (Darrent Williams and Vernon Grant) were paid. Just as they had other players alleged Bobby Reid was paid.
rodabot 12:10 p.m. Couldn't a similar investigative story be written about any D1 football program? Why do you think they chose OSU?
Mike Sherman 12:12 p.m. That's one of the most compelling questions about this report. I want to know more about that. Here's the reasons SI reporters/editors have publicly given: 1) They wanted to look into a college football program that rose rapidly. 2) Thayer Evans had heard allegations about Oklahoma State.
Howie 12:13 p.m. is there any reliable info that cooberates interviewees being paid by SI? If not, why would you think any prominant player would even take the time to interview with SI?
Mike Sherman 12:14 p.m. I have seen no proof that these players were paid by Sports Illustrated, and I have seen no proof that any of them are "prominent".
Guest 12:14 p.m. Money changing hands and lies about it being cleared through the compliance office is the one that sticks. Are coaches allowed to hire players to work at their houses?
Mike Sherman 12:15 p.m. No, they are not. That's a no-no.
Guest 12:15 p.m. couldn't agree more with your last statement! Seems like sour grapes is a common thread
Bryan 12:17 p.m. for those of us not in the area what has whitlock been saying since got on the sports animal?
Mike Sherman 12:18 p.m. A summary of Whitlock's comments (and I am paraphrasing him, not endorsing him): Thayer Evans is bad.
Mike Sherman 12:19 p.m. Whitlock further accused Thayer Evans of being an OU homer and was astonished that Sports Illustrated would base its report on Evans' reporting.
sooner born 12:20 p.m. I have a hard time believing that no money changed hands between boosters, coaches or whoever with several players being cited as sources. The problem I have is all the sources seem to have a grouge against OSU. Maybe not Pogi but I don't know enought about that.
Steven 12:20 p.m. Did these sources disclose the monies and souces of income on their tax returns and sign them under oath or not?
Mike Sherman 12:20 p.m. Of course not.
Howie 12:22 p.m. Whitlock is Capt Obvious?
Alum in AZ 12:22 p.m. I appreciate the balanced approach you and your staff seem to be taking on this, Mike. Let's get the facts. Plenty of concern regarding the balance of facts on the story so far from SI.
Mike Sherman 12:23 p.m. This SI report is a monumental undertaking. George Dohrman is a Pulitzer Prize winner and I have been a subscriber to the magazine all my adult life. Started, in fact, in the third grade. But no one is above scrutiny.
Randy 12:24 p.m. Thayer Evans has published articles with the phrase "Chokie State" in them. Hardly objective, or professional.
Mike Sherman 12:25 p.m. Yes, he has. I was emailed that article yesterday and re-read it. It was unwise.
Guest 12:25 p.m. Has there ever been a happy, content whistleblower?
Mike Sherman 12:26 p.m. No, but some times they have good reason not to be content. Erin Brockovich, for example.
Mark 12:26 p.m. One thing that bothers me about the article is the blatant one-sidedness of it. These players they interviewed named names and yet we don't have any response from them or hear their story? Not even a mention that they were contacted and wouldn't make a comment.
Mike Sherman 12:29 p.m. John Talley is quoted in the story.
Talley says that he sometimes paid players a fee for speaking engagements and that they frequently did work on his ranch, noting he always paid an hourly wage. He also says he cleared the speaking fees and the hourly employment through the university's compliance office. "I have paid lots of players to work on my ranch," Talley says. "But I would never pay someone not to work."


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Mike Sherman 12:29 p.m. Kay Norris is deceased. Joe Deforest is quoted.
BR 12:30 p.m. Sure doesn't sound like the OSU admin is denying much of it.
Mike Sherman 12:30 p.m. OSU has made no statement today. It had not seen the story until today.
Jason 12:30 p.m. I am not justifying anything OSU did or defend them. At the same time, if you examined any program for over a year and interviewed players that were dismissed, they wouldn't have nice things to say about the program either. There was an agenda here on top of uncovering facts.
Guest 12:31 p.m. Thayer and other's at SI are being interviewed live on thier site now. Thayer just stated that some of the guys he tracked down are worse off after attending OSU than they were before they went! He is crazy bias when it comes to OSU! Why in the world did they let in on this story with this bias being obvious?!!
Alum in AZ 12:31 p.m. Any chance that SI is releasing this report in 5 stages is so they can react to the response from the staff, other players, media, etc.? Why not one article?
Mike Sherman 12:31 p.m. Yes, that's a strong possibility. But if it was one article you and I would still be reading it right now.
Guest 12:32 p.m. Talley is a good man... I worked for him many years while I was in his youth group. He doesn't over pay!!
Guest 12:32 p.m. Just because they dropped out or were bad guys doesn't mean what they're saying is automatically untrue. I believe one part of the article is about players who were cast aside and are failing now
Mike Sherman 12:32 p.m. Part 5, comes out next Tuesday.
Howie 12:32 p.m. Tatum Bell just called the Sports Animal. Said he never spoke with SI, never went to Defo's home and never took money
Scott 12:33 p.m. Pulitzer Prize winner at the NY Times won with a hoax story, and she is out of the business. It doesn't guarantee credibility.
Mike Sherman 12:34 p.m. Scott, you are telling it like it is. However, George Dohrman exposed academic fraud in the University of Minnesota basketball program. The NCAA thought enough of his reporting to put the Gophers on probation. And Clem Haskins hasn't coached since.
Guest 12:34 p.m. OSU compliance director Kevin Fite says of the speaking engagements arranged by Talley, "They were not cleared through our office as paid speaking engagements. In fact, two of my staff members indicated to me that they had had conversations with John and told him you cannot pay for speaking engagements. If you want to employ our student-athletes for other things, that's fine, but you cannot pay them for speaking engagements." Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130910/oklahoma-state-part-1-money/#ixzz2eVoa9hDs
Will 12:35 p.m. so lets get this straight 1) the facts are uncorroborated 2) One of the investigators (Evans) was fired by the new york times and criticized by former colleagues (Whitlock) 3) Players interviewed are claiming the words used are not theirs or manipulated. Don't get me wrong but isn't this kind of a failure to really investigate?
Mike Sherman 12:38 p.m. Well, some of it you have straight and some not: 1) The facts are no uncorroborated. Some are. But some are. See the post above. 2) How do you know he was fired by the New York Times? He was a correspondent, which is a fancy word for "freelancer." He was a contract worker so he cannot be fired. If we started a list of all the former colleagues Whitlock critized we'd have another five-part series. 3) Now this one is worrisome for Sports Illustrated but not uncommon. Lots of people say things in interviews that they try to retract once they see it in print.
Guest 12:38 p.m. SI publishes nationwide. This story will be discussed by every broadcaster every time OSU takes the field, because there is no closure, meaning there are no NCAA violations. OSU should hire a crisis management PR firm to handle damage control. Maybe the same one Penn State hired. TBP isn't pumping millions into the athletic department to see his reputation damaged, even if by a former head coach. While football fans are focused on these allegations, there's even a more egregious one: changing grades. This is a punishable crime, one that if true, undermines the entire integrity of OSU and devalues the diplomas of every graduate.
Mike Sherman 12:39 p.m. Done.
Guest 12:40 p.m. How many players ever admit to things like this? Fans of the program will defend and rivals will believe. Did Rhett Bomar ever admit everything he did? Do OSU people believe any of his denials?
Allen 12:41 p.m. Seymore Shaw says he accepted $500 from a booster in high school when he committed to OSU. He committed to OU out of high school. Think Thayer Evans and his Pulitzer prize winning pals are going to correct the error and begin a year long investigation of the University of Oklahoma? Pulizter prize winner indeed.
Mike Sherman 12:41 p.m. That is what we in the journalism business call an error.
Mike Sherman 12:42 p.m. My good friend John Helsley pointed that out a while ago in this chat. I'm guessing Evans and Dohrman will blame the editor. Some reporters are that way....
StanTheMan 12:42 p.m. Has anyone presented anything that could be called 'proof' of wrongdoing yet? ALl I've seen so far amounts (at best) to heresay
Mike Sherman 12:43 p.m. Kevin Fite, OSU director of compliance:

OSU compliance director Kevin Fite says of the speaking engagements arranged by Talley, "They were not cleared through our office as paid speaking engagements. In fact, two of my staff members indicated to me that they had had conversations with John and told him you cannot pay for speaking engagements. If you want to employ our student-athletes for other things, that's fine, but you cannot pay them for speaking engagements."
While Fite says the school cleared Talley to employ athletes on his ranch, he acknowledges that Talley's paying in cash "is not something I am comfortable with. I think that's a concern. I would prefer to see it done a different way."


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Mike Sherman 12:44 p.m. It's against the rules for coaches to pay players to work on their homes. Yet, here's Joe DeForest saying he did it.

DeForest says he compensated players who worked at his house but always "paid them fair market value based on services rendered." (Oklahoma State's compliance office does not have a record of clearing a player to work for DeForest

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Guest 12:45 p.m. Colin Cowherd commenting on how has a problem with these former student athletes coming out to speak now, misplacing blame for their lives not being where they envisioned it.
Mike Sherman 12:46 p.m. He's got a point. They were given a four-year scholarship to a major university and the opportunity for a free education. Sounds like a pretty good opportunity.
sooner born 12:46 p.m. Why did OSU let Kevin Fite discuss this? Is there a reason he spoke to SI?
Mike Sherman 12:47 p.m. Maybe because Oklahoma State comes off looking better than saying no comment.
Guest 12:47 p.m. Wouldn't this be something DeForest should have known? If so, than why is it so hard to believe he violated other rules if he was willing to break this one?
Mike Sherman 12:48 p.m. Yes he should have known. That statement is damaging to him and Oklahoma State.
Guest 12:48 p.m. "death penalty" keeps getting tossed around, is all this really worse then what happened at Penn State? I have a hard time seeing that
Mike Sherman 12:48 p.m. The NCAA hasn't been in the death penalty business since SMU. That was 30 years ago.
StanTheMan 12:48 p.m. Find this statement sort of incredible - DeForest would talk to SI about anything, let alone saying he compensated players who worked at his house? I'd love to hear the tape of that actual quote.
Guest 12:49 p.m. Someone mentioned that it was OSU's rapid ascent in the football world that led to these allegations. Is that true? If so, i hardly believe that 'Bama wouldnt' be thought of. I mean 6/7 years ago OSU beat them in the Independence Bowl. Now - 3 titles? And I would hardly say 9-10 years of good football requires an investigation. It's not like we were getting 5 star athletes with payments.
Mike Sherman 12:49 p.m. Going to step away for a second, grab a slice of pizza and come right back
Guest 12:52 p.m. I just wanna say how impressive this has been. Ya'll have been level-headed, presented facts and done a THREE HOUR live chat so that everyone can get questions answered. You guys have jumped at the opportunity to cover a huge story and have, from my point of view as a sports media student, knocked out of the park, congrats
Mike Sherman 12:53 p.m. Thanks. The questions and conversation have been good. Hopefully they'll inform and benefit our report.
Jeff 12:53 p.m. If this is such as big of story as it seems to be, why did no one in the Oklahoma news world get wind of this years ago, and report it? Can't wait for the list of players making these claims to come out. Should be interesting reading.
Mike Sherman 12:55 p.m. Getting wind of something and getting someone to talk about it on the record as they are happening are two very different things. Sports Illustrated circled back years later, after these players have been gone -- in some cases as long as 10 years -- to get them to talk about things that happened as long as 10 years ago. SI devoted its investigative team to this story. By next Tuesday we'll know the impact.
james 12:57 p.m. This "series" is the result of a ten month investigation. What triggered the investigation to begin with? Was it Thayer Evans' man-hate for OSU? Difficult to believe that the SI folks were just sitting around thinking something needs to be investigated at OSU.
Mike Sherman 12:58 p.m. James, this was asked and answered a while ago, but I'll repeat: 1) They wanted to go inside a program on the rise. 2) Thayer Evans had heard things about OSU. That's what Sports Illustrated says.
Guest 12:58 p.m. Do you believe Oklahoma State could pursue legal action against SI if a majority of these articles turn out to be false, as many have suggested?
Mike Sherman 12:58 p.m. No chance of that happening.
Guest 12:58 p.m. DeForest denied the bonus program doesn't that mean he spoke to Si?
Mike Sherman 12:58 p.m. Indeed it does.
oh man... 12:59 p.m. its a busy day for oklahoma sports writers...and its going to be an even busier week to come. Keep truckin. The truth will out!
John 1:00 p.m. Did you or anyone else at the Oklahoma "get wind of" the things being alleged now, back then?
Mike Sherman 1:02 p.m. I can't speak for everyone who has covered Oklahoma State during that time, but for Part 1. No.
Mike Sherman 1:04 p.m. But remember this: There's a big difference between stuff you hear talked about, stuff someone will tell you and something someone will tell you with their name attached to it. When you write allegations about wrongdoing by someone else and attribute it to "sources," that's a pretty good way to get sued for libel. The difference here is Sports Illustrated has a number of named accusers. We'll see about the consequences. I don't see Oklahoma State suing, but that doesn't mean DeForest won't. Of course, truth is the ultimate defense.
Mike Sherman 1:05 p.m. Darryl, you asked a similar question. I hope that answered it.
Guest 1:06 p.m. Just saw the Rodrick Johnson tweet. The same people that were calling him a liar 4 hours ago are now believing him because he said that he didnt say anything about Reid, Defo....etc.
Mike Sherman 1:06 p.m. It's interesting, I'll say that.
Allen 1:07 p.m. Seymore Shaw alleges that Kay Norris paid him however much money for bogus work at rent houses. According to Chris (her son), his parents never owned any rent houses. Oops.... Pulitzer prize winning journalist indeed.
Mike Sherman 1:08 p.m. Jenni Carlson just interviewed Chris Norris for a column she is working on. Chris said his parents never owned a rent house in Stillwater. They own one in Broken Bow.
Darryl 1:08 p.m. Hard to believe the DOK reporters didn't hear anything about what was going on if it was as blatant as was happening (cash handed over on planes, in locker rooms, etc.). Surely this couldn't have been kept under wraps with it out in the open as it was. If DOK reporters didn't hear anything that makes them look extremely bad.
Mike Sherman 1:10 p.m. Please see what I wrote about five minutes ago.
Guest 1:10 p.m. Has there every been a story like this with so many coming forward to contradict it?
Mike Sherman 1:11 p.m. Yes. Every time there is an investigation like this. See Penn State.
sooner born 1:11 p.m. So, do you see that the stuff later this week will be worse? I know that as a journalist you want to get the reader hooked, but don't you want to save some for later to get the readers coming back?
Mike Sherman 1:12 p.m. Can't say. The most serious allegation, in my opinion, is academic fraud. But I'm betting the one that generates the most web traffic is -- and this may surprise you -- sex....
Bryan 1:12 p.m. been out of the loop for a bit. Does the NCAA have an investigator assigned to look into this?
Mike Sherman 1:13 p.m. No. OSU informed the NCAA about it last week after it sat down with Sports Illustrated.
BJ 1:14 p.m. I will say this in a nicer way and maybe get an answer. Evans has no credibility, other than his title at SI. Is there any recourse that can be taken against him when all of this is proven to be a wild goose chase?
Mike Sherman 1:15 p.m. People can sue anyone about anything. Winning a libel case is difficult and in this media climate few news outlets are interested in even defending one. I'd bet Sports Illustrated has lawyers who vet investigations like this before they are published for that very reason.
Alum in AZ 1:16 p.m. I would be curious if paying for speaking engagements is typical for all FCA events (not just athlete speakers, but guest pastors, business professionals, etc.).
Mike Sherman 1:16 p.m. Me too. Something to follow up on.
Guest 1:16 p.m. People are still denying Penn St happened
Mike Sherman 1:18 p.m. Some are, even as Penn State is settling court cases with Sandusky's victims to the tune of millions of dollars. Even as Sandusky sits in jail, convicted of sexual assaults on children by a jury of his peers. People deny the Holocaust too.
GrannieDee 1:18 p.m. I will be very interested in the academic story. I have known Terry Henley since he was born, and I don't believe he would participate in any sort of fraud.
Mike Sherman 1:19 p.m. Terry Henley was a running back at Crescent when I was covering high schools. Until I saw his name pop up in this story, I honestly did not realize that the Terry Henley working at OSU was that Terry Henley. We'll have to read the story because associating him with anything of the sort.
Guest 1:20 p.m. All? They've already got the compliance office contradicting a booster and a coach about paid speaking and work at a coach's house
JSea 1:20 p.m. Is this the reason Gundy flirted with other programs?
Mike Sherman 1:21 p.m. Doubtful, although only Gundy knows why he did it. Might have had something to do with his opposition to playing a tough non-conference schedule. He's only made statements about that every chance he gets.
Robert 1:21 p.m. So Norris sent players 4 1/2 hours away to work on a rent house? C'Mon. This is starting to smell more and more. Player who committed to OU got OSU money for committing...rental house work in t town 4 hours away...I don't for a moment believe OSU is squeeky clean, and have no doubt some boosters go too far, but there is just an awful lot about this story that smells.
Eric 1:22 p.m. What short of impact do you think the SI series will have on the current group of players and season? I would hate to see the current team take the fall for allegations they had nothing to do with.
Mike Sherman 1:23 p.m. I have no idea. I'd say impact on the players should be minimal. We'll see what the impact will be on the head coach. How can this not create a great deal of stress. But football coaches are great at many things, including compartmentalizing things.
Mike Sherman 1:23 p.m. Gotta step away for a minute.
tobeyd 1:24 p.m. stillwater newspress december 91, 2009 - FCA Brings Athletes together - Zac Robinson Sam Bradford and Talley.
Mike Sherman 1:24 p.m. Does the story say they were paid?
Robert 1:24 p.m. I've heard a lot about this Thayer Evans character being an OSU hater. The story where he refers to OSU as "Chokie State" comes to mind to to possibly substantiate that in my mind. If he referred to Stillwater in the same article as "Stoolwater" that would certainly be proof of the hate but he stopped just short of that. The question I have is does this guy really hate OSU and if so why?
Mike Sherman 1:26 p.m. Like I said, the "Chokie State" line was ill advised. His former co-worker Jason Whitlock went on the Sports Animal today to denounce him as an OU fan. I don't know whether he hates OSU or not. But I do know that "Chokie State" comment has to be something Sports Illustrated editors considered when assigning him to this series. They obviously had something that overrode any concern about that, though.
tobeyd 1:27 p.m. money not mentioned
Mike Sherman 1:27 p.m. Tobeyd is referring to that FCA post.
Guest 1:27 p.m. Mike have you heard anything from what Josh Fields discussed on the radio?
Mike Sherman 1:27 p.m. No, but one of our reporters is talking to him this afternoon. Anyone hear Josh Fields' interview?
Tony 1:28 p.m. Sounds like SI has quite a story on their hands with all five levels of accusations. Once these are found false, I have a hard time believing that there is not a recourse of action the university can take to at least get a public apology and even be able to sue them for slander.
Mike Sherman 1:29 p.m. You are assuming they will be found to be false. I don't know if they will or won't but DeForest has admitted to paying players to work on his home (which is against the rules) and OSU's compliance office said John Talley paid players for speaking engagements. There's a ton of allegations in this report alone and there are five parts.
Guest 1:29 p.m. You may have answered this question but why bring up names of people that can't defend their allegations? Seems kind of distasteful.
Mike Sherman 1:30 p.m. Sports Illustrated reporters and editors obviously felt they were an important part of the story. There's not really much tasteful about any of these allegations.
Guest 1:30 p.m. If the alligations are true, what is the likely punishment from NCAA given recent cases
Mike Sherman 1:32 p.m. As others have pointed out, there's a statute of limitations to be considered and it's five years. Unless there's a pattern or system of behavior that can be traced back beyond that limitation. In other words, if there was an allegation that the pay-for-performance stuff was still going on in 2011, it's possible the NCAA could look at the stuff five years and older. But the reporting on that in 2011 was thin to none in today's report.
Mike Sherman 1:33 p.m. My guess: Loss of scholarships would be the most harsh penalties if there are any.
Mike Sherman 1:33 p.m. I'm wrong. It's four years on the statute of limitations. Sorry.
Dennis 1:33 p.m. Why is there only a 4 year statute of limitations? That seems ridiculous. Deep pockets keep secrets rather well.
Mike Sherman 1:34 p.m. Dennis, I'm not sure what's magic about four years. But the way coaches move around the thought may be that after four years, you are punishing people who had nothing to do with the violations.
Tony 1:34 p.m. Thank you Mike.
Mike Sherman 1:34 p.m. You're welcome, Tony
Jason 1:35 p.m. Could these things in the past if proven true cause OSU to be striped of wins?
Mike Sherman 1:35 p.m. Highly unlikely.
Allen 1:35 p.m. Talley paid Sam Bradford's per diem on FCA speaking engagements. Stat! Someone get Thayer Evans on this investigation quickly! Oh wait ...
Faulkner 1:35 p.m. Mike - You keep saying DeForest has said he payed players to work on his house, but this is from the article only - is there any third party verification of this? I just cannot imagine in a million years he would talk to SI about any of this. It would be like Gundy coming out and telling an SI reporter, "Sure...I paid him to work at my house, but only the going rate". It just doesn't hold the sniff test to me that he would have said something like that.
Mike Sherman 1:37 p.m. Faulkner, you're right. He is quoted as telling Sports Illustrated that.
Guest 1:37 p.m. As someone who lived with a football player, tutored others, working in the athletic department and played high school football with Seymore Shaw, I can tell you that nothing he says is accurate or orchestrated by Oklahoma State!
Guest 1:38 p.m. SI fakes quotes now?
Mike Sherman 1:38 p.m. Who said that. Not me.
sooner born 1:39 p.m. Do you think SI didn't tell the whole truth of what they were investigating to get players and DeForest to talk?
Mike Sherman 1:43 p.m. I'd say it's quite likely they did not reveal their full intentions to the people they interviewed. At first, it may have been because they did not realize what their full intentions were. I can't imagine DeForest being tricked, though. Also, a former OSU players who hasn't been interviewed in years would have to be somewhat naive to think Sports Illustrated was interested in their thoughts on the state of college football or Oklahoma State's success. Wouldn't they have to be thinking, "why is this reporter asking me questions?"
Scot 1:44 p.m. You mentioned that Penn State players are still denying something happened. The problem is that there problem wasn't allegations of an entire culture of corruption like this one. What do you say about players who have come on today and are saying clearly, I never saw this during my entire time at that school? - Sam Mayes being a radio host would seem to be out in front in terms of having a lot to lose by lying on the radio.
Mike Sherman 1:46 p.m. The culture at Penn State was one of denial and cover-up of sexual assaults on children. And it went from the locker room to the highest levels of the university administration. Please, please, please do not compare that with this.
David 1:47 p.m. So let me get this straight...the NCAA spent so much time investigating Dez Bryant a few years ago....but they got no wind of this until a "reporter" who has an ax to grind with OSU brought it out....
Mike Sherman 1:48 p.m. I don't think the NCAA "spent so much time investigating Dez Bryant." I don't remember how it came to the NCAA's attention, but when an investigator asked Dez about it he lied. End of story. Lying to NCAA investigators made him ineligible.
Mike Sherman 1:49 p.m. Folks, I'm going to have to end it here. Thanks for the questions and conversation.

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