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David Stanley Ford

Oklahoma state workers protest furloughs

By The Associated Press    Comments Comment on this article44
Published: October 26, 2009

As state agencies continue to grapple with budget cuts amid plunging state revenues, about a dozen Pardon and Parole Board employees picketed in front of the Capitol on Monday, their third furlough day in as many months.

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The entire agency, which employs about 35 workers, was shut down Monday, and a recorded message at the headquarters said the closure was due to state budget cuts.

"I have to be able to support my family," said James McGee, a parole board investigator with four children, including one who is in college. "Here I am off work for a day, but there's still work to do.

"It's just waiting for me when I get back."

The employees held signs on the south lawn of the state Capitol and waved to passing motorists.

The Pardon and Parole Board and the Office of Juvenile Affairs have started furloughing workers.

Oklahoma tax revenue plummeted 30 percent last month compared to the amount the state collected in September 2008. Much of the loss was in gross production taxes on oil and natural gas. In response, state officials cut agency budgets by 5 percent for the third consecutive month.

Preliminary reports for September showed general revenue fund collections totaled nearly $434 million — almost $187 million, or 30.1 percent, less than last September. The total also is almost $179 million, or 29.2 percent, less than what the state expected.

During the first three months of the fiscal year that began July 1, the state collected about $1.1 billion in tax revenue. That's about $462 million less than it collected during the same three months last year.

The budget cuts are particularly problematic for agencies like the Pardon and Parole Board, which spends most of its budget on personnel, said Mark Beutler, a spokesman for the Oklahoma Public Employees Association.

"I think 90-plus percent of their budget goes to personnel costs, and there's not a lot to cut when they're asked to cut 5 percent," Beutler said. "There's only so much you can cut without starting to cut employees, and once you do that, it begins to affect the citizens of Oklahoma."

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So I guess all of you just take it when you get hit. Why would anyone in their right mind just sit down and take it? If you can stand up and fight for what you have earned, why wouldn't you unless you were scared?
Morgan - Oct 27, 2009 at 7:06 am
The state can cut everyone for a few days, eliminate some positions making more work for workers left, or raise taxes. The state made the best choice so far in my opinion. Sometimes we have to suck it up a little in hard times. Hopefully, it will pass soon, be thankful you have jobs, and enjoy the time-off.
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 11:39 pm
What happened here is sad. Many of you came out and blasted the Pardon and Parole Board today. Do you realize that anyone who pays taxes in the state of Oklahoma is getting burned by this? Please don't be too blind to see that. You paid the same amount and the state gave you less man hours for it. AND TO THE OKLAHOMAN: Thank you for sharing our story, but the majority of us would appreciate it if you received your information from Pardon and Parole and not other associations or agencies.
Morgan - Oct 26, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Try paying 100% of everything and matching your own fica futa suta. No one wants furloughs, but the non-govermental workers do not want to lose more money than we already have due to taxes adn the bad economy to pay for more government employees. We suffer. Please dont cry when you have to suffer a little. We have kids in college and bills to pay. but taxes are always paid first, and we do not have the bennies that you do. So please, be quiet and dont insult those of us who dont have the Merit protection system to keep us from being laid off.
Joe Bob, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 8:50 pm
David/Edmond. Pull your head out. Have you ever had a relative or friend saved by OHP? Don't bash them because you got a ticket for breaking the law. And you made the taxpayer statement. I(Parole Investigator) also have to pay taxes. Furlough means this for you David. You paid the same amount of taxes the three months that we were furloughed that you did the three months we were not. But you got less from one of the state agencies, because we were furloughed. So think about what you're saying before you jam your foot in your mouth. If you are paying the bill regardless, wouldn't you want the full work done? If not, then I feel sorry for your future.
Morgan - Oct 26, 2009 at 8:20 pm
State workers pay their bills just like everyone else.
Those furlough days cut their pay.
So some of the their bills will not get paid on time.
Some merchants and professionals will have to wait.
Not a good idea for the local economy in Oklahoma City.
I pray for them.
kent, oklahoma city - Oct 26, 2009 at 7:57 pm
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Jason,

Why should anyone waste their time arguing with an internet "flamer" like yourself? Go back to your Xbox and Fruity Pebbles...lol.


BWAHAHAHAHA.
Cletus Jenkins II, mayberry - Oct 26, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Oh, yeah that 'free' coverage that state employees get is paid for by taxes & state employees do pay their taxes. They must or they are fired, unlike elected officials & people working in private industry.

If some want to call that free coverage, well have at it. We all know government isn't 'free.'
Concerned, Central Oklahoma - Oct 26, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Just to be clear, the state of Oklahoma only pays for 75% of dependant coverage as of January 2010, so an employee with dependants doesn't get free coverage. The premiums are in addition to any out of pocket expense, just like most other insurance plans from employers who have 50 or more people on their payroll.

As for legality of furloughs, you'll need to read the Oklahoma Personnel Act Section '74-840-2.27C – Reduction-In-Force, Layoffs, and Furloughs' to see how the state legally does it. Website is here... http://www.ok.gov/opm/HR_Rules_and_Statutes/index.html

It figures that Jason, Edmond is a trust fund baby. Just gotta love that silver spoon attitude. ;)
Concerned, Central Oklahoma - Oct 26, 2009 at 6:19 pm
David, you've got to be one of the most ignorant Oklahomans I've come across. We don't get free medical insurance. You probably aren't interested in facts, A-hole.
Boomer, Washington - Oct 26, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Well, think what it would be like if you had to make your own insurance, income and retirement money, be thankful you have a job, and please quit crying because those of us who subsidize your wages dont have the privileges, retirement, insurance, sick days, and vacations that you have. It gets old listening to you whine all of the time.
Joe Bob, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 6:09 pm
One thing I've long noted about internet flame-warriors like Johnny boy from Oklahoma City: when they can't refute an argument, they shrik "troll!" Come back when you've got something substantive to say, sport.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I'm sorry Jay, but if you are married and have multiple children, NO insurance plan by the state will pay for all of it. The cost is just too high. I am a single parent with ONE child and I barely squeak by, and that is without the extra vision coverage. I only carry that every other year since we have good eyes. I don't even go with the HIGH HMO's, I try and pick the cheapest one I can. And being sick last month, cost me $100 in co-pays for the DR and the meds. So where is the free part?
Laura, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:44 pm
It's sad to hear everyone talk about furloughs and all but just remember there are Cities around Oklahoma City taking furloughs to. I for one have taken three furloughs and I have two kids to feed and a home to worry about. it's hard to deal with and I'm wondering why the state wont cut back on secretaries for an example. I was at one of the state buildings the other day and saw several men and women standing around laughing and having a good ol time, while their secretaries are typing away and planning trips and what ever else they do. I'm no expert in the state monies but I know there has to be plenty they can cut back on and Probation and parole is not one of them. Look up the state of Oklahoma job page and see all the meaningless jobs the state has to offer. I don't care what the state of Oklahoma says but it has money and they like to spend it. Not to be funny or anything, but maybe they should sell the Indian on top of the capital for some extra money. Anyway, good luck good ol common everyday people and may god be with us.
Dave, Midwest City - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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Hey David, when criminals overrun your neighborhood, don't complain then about your tax dollars at work. Our insurance is NOT free, I'd sure like to know where you get your information! I'm embarrassed to even admit I'm from the same area of town you are. If you are that uneducated on a subject, keep your mouth closed.
Laura, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Although all groups have valid and invalid arguments, why does it always seem like the angry "I am God" trolls are either from an imaginary town (i.e Cletus from Mayberry), or Edmond?
John, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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Good posts Boomer and Wuuuufff, and it's all true....... I know......
Justa Girl - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Do state employees sign some form of a contract, as government employees do? If so, does it say that you can be furloughed? If it doesn't, I think the state might be breaking the law. If state employees are hired full time then the state is required to guarantee 40hrs a week..... If anyone is to take time off without pay it should be the Governor first, and then trickle down through the elected officials, not the hired employees.
UnSub, Yukon - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Oklahoma tax revenue plummeted 30 percent last month compared to the amount the state collected in September 2008. Much of the loss was in gross production taxes on oil and natural gas.

Why doesn't the state take the lead and start giving tax credits to businesses that add CNG filling stations as well as credits to buy and/or convert a vehicle to CNG? That would create the jobs to install the stations, create jobs converting the vehicles, and give people a reason to buy the CNG vehicles or convert their existing vehicle. For once, we would then become a LEADER in promting an idea (CNG) and not sit and wait for all (or most of all) of the other states to do something and then follow their lead.
Louis Friend, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 4:01 pm
I see where Jason did nothing to refute my previous post so that means I hit the nail on the head. The truth hurts, he can dish it out but he can't take it. Typical Limbeck party troll.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Look at all of these servants of the state posting on this web site at taxpayers expense.Maybe a furlough day is in order to motovate and promote effective work whole on the clock.If you worked in the private sector I would terminate your services.Or maybe you would be better fit to be a glorified ticket writer, coffee drinking OHP trooper.
David, edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 3:23 pm
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Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Jason, Edmond, YOu are probably on the government teat and just won't admit it. Family trust? The Limbeck party way to beat the state and federal government out of taxes. Typical.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 3:07 pm
LOL! So Edmond is its own CULTURE!?! Jason , how do you KNOW where I am? And ALL of you are STILL missing my point - that SOME state employees DO PAY something for the insurance they choose to have.

Guys I'm lost. What falsehood please? I will attempt to correct or clarify.
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 3:07 pm
It's been many years since I worked for the state. I think the great benefits myth is based in all the days off. Every cost of living raise was more than offset by a raise in insurance costs. Retirement was nothing to brag about.

The paid days off is a great benefit. 15 days vacation, 15 days sick for a new employees. And 10 holidays.
Mark, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:58 pm
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Good post, Jay, Edmond, but what's his name from Norman doesn't seem to care for factual matters - as note the easily disprovable falsehood he had to admit he'd indulged in previously in this thread.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:56 pm
"Don't Edmond My Norman!" - There's some of that Leftists/"progressive" thinking for yah! Feel the "tolerance" and "respect for other cultures" just ooze through that savant's keyboard!

By the bye, interesting, isn't it folks, that a state employee on the taxpayer's dime has all this free time in the afternoon to post on an internet forum instead of, say, doing his job? That's what they call "good enough for government work" - which means, don't do any work at all.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Whatever your name is from Norman, I'm sorry you got caught making a false implication and can now only squeal about it - that usually happens when semi-literate savants such as yourself try to engage the adult world.

Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Jay....Thank you for that information , but I have been with the state for 32 years. They point those things out to us every year. And give us the updated numbers. My point is...YOU ARE RIGHT!! What we "get" is not necessarily free. If the "free" option is not enough for us (by choice) then we have to decide what and how much to pay for ourselves. It depends on marital status,dependents,age and medical needs and a whole lot of other factors for each individual. As I said - we (state employees) make these decisions based on several factors. In this case state employees are no different from real ,normal ,working people.
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Wuuuuff, half of the offered plans available are fully covered by the "fixed amount" the state provides, no matter whether the employee is single or has a spouse and multiple children. So if any state employee pays one cent out of their paycheck for health insurance it is because they chose to, by picking one of the expensive plans; that is a discretionary purchase. A maried state employee with two or more children receives aover $1500 per month toward their health insurance.
Jay, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:14 pm
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And Jason and David - you two are a great reason to get a bumper sticker that's been out for a while - " Don't Edmond My Norman!"
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm
And this not a "GIMME" mentality. Only a correction of the big lie that all government employees get all of these "benefits" just handed to them. These lies , or perhaps just uninformed assumptions, coming from people who have no idea what they are talking about.
And I am not complaining. I am totally aware that this is happening to everyone in both public AND private employment. We all have to make these difficult choices.
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm
The preachers at the state house like to pass laws keeping drug addicts in prison for life at a cost of 750,000 dollars each, but they can't manage their business. If there is work to be done, the workers should be on the job. Preachers have never been able to handle money or logic.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:58 pm
My point is that the state pays UP TO a certain fixed amount. Anything OVER that amount based on whichever plan we opt for comes out of the state employee's own pocket. So it is NOT a valid statement to imply that ALL state employees get All their insurance for free. Sorry if those facts confuse you.
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm
So, the answer is "yes, the state of Oklahoma does provide me with health insurance, despite my implication to the contrary in the previous post."

Question answered.

As for the rest, so what? Everyone has to contribute to their health insurance, that's what co-pays are all about. In some cases, such as mine, where the health coverage is out of a family trust, there are certain user fees. With most folks in the private sector there are deductibles.

What about this do you not grasp? The "gimme" mentality at its finest.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm
David , Jason
I'm looking at a BIG screw-up. On my state employee pay stub,it lists:
$57.16 for my FREE dental; $715.76 for my FREE dependent medical care;$1023.52 for my FREE employee medical care. And EVERY doctor I go to wants money when I visit. Would you like a name, to , as a good citizen, report this ?
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:45 pm
So, whatever your name is from Norman, are you going to get on here and tell us that state employees (non-exempt) are not eligible for taxpayer funded healthcare plans? That the state of Oklahoma does not provide you with health insurance, or a mechanism for obtaining it? Is that what you're going to claim?

Answer yes or no - I'm not interested in any "yes, buts."

I'll be curious if the answer is "no," because you will then have destroyed your credibility by telling such a fabulous whopper.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Excellent post, David. The civilian government workforce is the only body of employed persons on the face of the planet who somehow seem to think that they're exempt from the rules the rest of us have to live by.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:37 pm
David,Edmond-Tell me (a state employee) more about this FREE medical insurance. Quickly please. I have to get signed up by the end of the week!
Wuuuufff, Norman - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:37 pm
David, Edmond, Does the same thing go for the military? They're just government workers too. I see military people getting on these posts griping about government expenditures. If you get a check from the government, doesn't that mean you are a government employee?
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:34 pm
David, great "christian" compassion. Typical for Okies.
dappiesdad, dappiesplace - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm
This is indeed ironic, that jobs are in jeopardy. Because, most state employees hang on to their jobs because of the job security and benefits. Lets look at those 'great' benefits: They don't get matching funds going to 401K plans like most public corporations. They don't get bonuses. In fact, any cost of living raise depends on the goodwill of the state legislature. Legislators would rather give tax money away to big interests. No one is too interested in keeping state wages up with inflation. They don't have decent health insurance anymore, with this years premium hikes and copay doubled with HealthChoice. Retirement brings the worries of how to live off the dimished retirement pay, once you pay for the high premiums to continue health coverage. In short...security is just another word, for nothing else to lose.
Boomer, Washington - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Too bad.Work one of your many paid holidays in trade for the furlough.No ,you wouldn't do that.Be happy you have a job or get in line with many of others. Also give up your free medical insurance. yOU WORK FOR THE PEOPLE (TAXPAYER) SO STOP BITCHING AND GET A LIFE.
David, edmond - Oct 26, 2009 at 1:28 pm

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