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Proximity of Mexico may keep immigrants from fully assimilating
Proximity of Mexico may keep state immigrants from fully assimilating

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Published: May 27, 2008

The Chavez brothers prefer hip-hop to ranchero music, pizza to chile rellenos and basketball to soccer. For them, Mexico is an assortment of black-and-white photographs sitting on the mantel, some stories told to them by their parents and a few, brief visits during their childhood.

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From left, Francisco, 15, and Luis Chavez, 19, are second-generation Mexican immigrants. BY DEVONA WALKER, THE OKLAHOMAN
Immigration in Oklahoma
•Oklahoma's population increased by 9.8 percent between 1990 and 2000, and by 3.6 percent between 2000 and 2006, bringing Oklahoma's total population to approximately 3.6 million.

•Approximately 28.5 percent of the total population increase between 2000 and 2006 in Oklahoma was directly attributable to immigrants.

•Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates Oklahoma's illegal immigrant population in 2005 at 83,000, which ranks 22nd in the U.S. This number is 45 percent higher than the U.S. government estimate of 46,000 in 2000, and more than five times the 1990 estimate of 16,000.

•According to an estimate of the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005 there were an estimated 50,000 to 75,000 illegal immigrants living in Oklahoma.

Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform,

Center for Civic Innovation, The Manhattan Institute

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"My dad, he understands some English. If you talk to him, he will try to talk back,” said Francisco Chavez, 15, a sophomore at Northwest Classen High School. "But it sounds all whacked, more like ‘Spanglish' than anything else.”

Their father, a construction worker, speaks enough English to get by in the workplace. Their mother, who stays at home, speaks none at all. Around the dinner table, their native tongue dominates and their Mexican heritage is the prevailing culture. Out in the world, the opposite is true.

A study sponsored by the Manhattan Institute, a public policy research group, released May 13, suggests today's immigrants have done a better job of assimilating than immigrants of previous generations, but progress has been obscured by their numbers. Among immigrant groups, Mexicans have had the most difficulty when it comes to economic and civic assimilation, the study shows.

Many are able to keep speaking Spanish
The U.S. immigrant population has nearly tripled since the 1970s, and has doubled since 1990. In Oklahoma, immigrants account for nearly 30 percent of the state's population growth since 2000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants assimilate slower in terms of economics and civics because of the proximity of their native countries, the dominance of the Spanish language and U.S. immigration policy, he said.

"It's sort of unprecedented in American history to have immigrants so dominated by one language. So it becomes less necessary for immigrants to assimilate,” said Jacob Vigdor, Duke University professor and the report's author. "It does run a risk of forming a distinct sector in society, and I think that's what some people are worried about.”

Politics may help explain adaptability
When Vinh Nguyen left Vietnam, he had no choice. He had been a lieutenant colonel in the South Vietnamese army. When Saigon fell to the North Vietnamese April 30, 1975, he knew if he didn't escape, he would be killed.

The new communist government already had confiscated his house, his car and his land.

"I left that morning. I left my country by boat,” Nguyen said. "I left with one shirt, one pair of pants, one pair of shoes and not one penny.”

He and his wife and four children crowded onto a boat with 30 others, assuming they would never see their homeland again.

A man on the boat had a radio. After about 18 hours of sailing, they heard the voice of an American rescue vessel en route to rescuing a boat full of refugees.

"When we heard this, we were all screaming with joy,” Nguyen said. "Since then, I think of myself as an American.”

Today, Nguyen, of Oklahoma City, wears two flag pins on his lapel. One is the American flag and the other is commonly referred to as the Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom flag. It has a yellow field with three horizontal red stripes, symbolizing the unifying blood running through north, central and south Vietnam.

Vietnamese and Cubans have been quickest to assimilate. Vigdor said this is explained by the politics of their native countries.

"The set of individuals choosing to flee a communist nation likely include a high proportion of entrepreneurs or skilled workers,” Vigdor said. "These people were drawn from the economic elite of their home country, and they face very strong incentives to make their way here because they can't go back.”

Nguyen arrived at age 34. He went to college and ultimately received a master's degree. In 1999, he returned to Vietnam for the first time to attend his mother's funeral.

"I miss it, but I don't want to go back, not until there are no more communists,” Nguyen said.

Some regret the loss of their culture
Nguyen raised his children speaking only English in the home. They have virtually lost their understanding of Vietnamese.

"It's my fault that they cannot speak Vietnamese now. But I wanted them to be American. I wanted them to feel like they belonged here,” Nguyen said. "Now, sometimes, I regret making them lose that part of their culture.”

The mainstream perspective of assimilation, Vigdor argues, is often oversimplified.

"A lot of people are caught up on the cultural issues. What they appear to be advocating is that somehow using our language will make you a more active citizen,” Vigdor said.

Canadians and Europeans have little difficulty adapting to our language and culture, the study shows, but they usually come for economic reasons, rarely naturalize and eventually return to their home countries. Immigrants from the Philippines, Vietnam, Cuba and even Mexico are often more committed.

"They are in it for the long haul,” Vigdor said.

Around the dinner table, the Chavez brothers often are called to interpret more than language. They also decipher culture, music, fashion and even humor. Their parents have been here more than 20 years. But those years have been insulated. Their beliefs in the simplicity of work and family were fully formed before they came. Their understanding of the world around them remains strained, perhaps stifled by translation.

"Sometimes, they just don't get it,” Luis Chavez said.

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Hey Kent, I am on your side, I love Okies and I love the State, and I agree with you 100%.

The part about "Getting it" was directed at the Plainsman who in a round about way called me a biatch.... ;^D
Beverly, Mesa - Jun 2, 2008 at 7:24 am
LOL Randy I've done way more daring things in my life
Kent, Glendale - May 31, 2008 at 2:21 am
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Randy, please follow your own advise (put up or shut up). You have actually taken the time to read HB 1804 haven't you? (Yes or No). I have and defy you to find a single word, phrase, sentence or paragraph that is racist. You won't find it because it isn't there. As with our federal immigration law, it only speaks of illegal immigrants (doesn't matter what there ethnic background is or their country of origin...with the exceptions of those seeking political asylum from certain countries). This is NOT about race. Read. Comprehend. Understand. Learn.
Larry, Oklahoma City - May 30, 2008 at 10:35 pm
hey kent...put up...or shut up..
Randy, Moore - May 30, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Randy. I'll go on down to Moore and say it. I bet ya I get a parade of supporters to follow me
Kent, Glendale - May 30, 2008 at 4:58 pm
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Well Beverly not sure I got it but I do know this. Oklahomans are the nicest people below the Mason Dixon line until someone from the outside tries to change things and the do gooders will lose; merely because they are sadly outnumbered. I pressed hard for 1804. I wrote letter after letter, numerous phone calls etc. As you can see the daily disappointment writes story after story hoping we will all just have a coke with the illegals and have a grand fiesta. I mean if we just understood these people we wouldn't be the backwards racist we are and we would all come together. Notice: Not many Okies are buying that tripe.
Kent, Glendale - May 30, 2008 at 4:54 pm
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it would be funny to see you trolls in public talking how you type on this board. come down to moore/norman talking your smack racists and you will get a free face arrangment.
Randy, Moore - May 30, 2008 at 9:08 am
goodmorning racists. thank goodness you can stand on the edge of the earth and not fall off since you still believe the world is flat.
Randy, Moore - May 30, 2008 at 9:06 am
Hey Kent , you are right Okies will never let things get as far as it is here. I lived in OK for almost all of your years and am Married to an Okie. But....if the do gooders have their way it will get bad and I am concerned for family still living in OK.
For Rene, oh yeah they are the majority law breakers here. They simply do not believe our laws pertain to them. Like I said I have lived in both places, OK and AZ and I DO know what I am talking about!
Plainsman ......"you said:female dogs shouldn't go sniffing in others biz" and I say Jacka sses who bray the loudest are just insecure little....(hope you get the message)
Beverly, Mesa - May 30, 2008 at 8:13 am
Beverly, I am from Oklahoma and lived there 30 of my 34 years on this earth. I moved out here to AZ recently. Trust me honey, Oklahoma will never be like AZ. Okies have much more of a backbone than the do nothings of AZ. Thank God you finally got a law passed here.

Oklahoma is a conservative run state(Arizona x 100), we like it that way and people like Randy from Moore are the grave minority in my wonderful home state.

I agree with you do gooders statement but I don't think you understand how hard core Okies are.
Kent, Glendale - May 30, 2008 at 2:55 am
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What's so funny is that the more stories the liberal press writes, the more states fall into line and get with the program. Thanks again press.
Kent, Glendale - May 30, 2008 at 2:49 am
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What about La Raza? It means "The Race". Remember the German Nazis and how they thought they were 'the race' (la raza). What about respect for borders? The Nazis overran borders and forced those countries to speak their language. Whenever I see stores translating to Spanish I think of La Raza Nazis. Just another racist front.
Richard, Oklahoma City - May 27, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Liberals make me sick!!! I wish we could bring it to a vote of the people that we close the borders and ship all of their butts back where they came from. I'm sick of the whole situation. And if your an Indian save it for somebody else, trace your roots back and I bet they did not start in the United States of America. Close the borders put the army in charge of it and quit trading with everyone. If we can't survive too bad. It's time to take this country back. KMA
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - May 27, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Devona, the Manhattan Institute is a "free-market think-tank". You know, Republican, like Randy Terrill. Like Carol Helm. Like IRON. Come ON. It's another racist front.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - May 27, 2008 at 8:24 pm
randy of moore, your stupidity astounds me, but of course that same attitude allowed 9/11 to happen. so you are not calling anyone a racist for wanting laws obeyed but in actuality a terrorist supporter. did homeland security get that? hope so
richard, oklahoma city - May 27, 2008 at 6:28 pm
They have to provide an interpreter, Renee. And guess what? It's on our dime!!
K, Edmond - May 27, 2008 at 5:30 pm
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whethe the english only bill would have passed or failed will never be known, and that's sad. the people should have the right to vote on laws that affect us. we got to vote on same-sex marriage, something that has little affect on me (seeing as i have no desire to marry another woman nor do i care if anyone else does). But i do care that while taking my child to the doctor's office, i had to wait an extra 10 minutes because the receptionist had to find a spanish speaker to assist the woman checking in before me. it killed me. if this woman couldn't simply check-in, how was she going to follow the doctor's orders?
Renee, edmond - May 27, 2008 at 4:38 pm
English only passed the house and was kept from a vote of the people by shady, under the table backdoor politicians like Harry Coates and his slave labor minions. Why would they not want the people to decide this issue? Oh, that's right, it would have passed by 99% of the vote.
Rufus, spencer - May 27, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I think the most irritating thing about the mexicans living illegally in the USA is the fact they don't learn English. If I moved to another country, I would want to learn the language. Are they to lazy or just don't care, since they have sons that could teach them.
american, anywhere - May 27, 2008 at 2:12 pm
If the problem with assimilation is that their native countries are so close. How does one explain why certain groups of muslims insulate themselves and do not assimilate. Their native countries are oceans away. Or maybe they do not assimilate because the libs for years have said that they do not need an understanding of the USA's laws and customs to live here. I get so sick about hearing that its the color of the skin, thats total BS. They just happen to have darker skin than the Europeans that most Americans are descended from. It is a pathetic attempt to deflect from the true issue. Which is that these groups have total contempt from our laws. The apologists in the media and their Lib allies in Govt only help perpetuate the problem. I say that until their home countries institute political refrom from within and kill those that seek to destablize their political systems through use of violence than the problem can only get worse.
robert, edmond - May 27, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Agenda or journalism? Is the UnOklahoman a non-profit now? Actually, they might be because many people are dropping their subscriptions to the biased rag agendas. I see Virginia and Missouri enacted some new laws, hmmm.
J.T.(I), Norman - May 27, 2008 at 1:31 pm
on a side note to beverly, i'm sure the types of crimes you described aren't just done by one ethnic group.
Renee, edmond - May 27, 2008 at 11:48 am
how does someone live in a country for 20+ years and not learn the tongue of that land? my parents lived in Germany for 3 years and my mom -- an Okie to the bone -- learned German, even though she and my dad lived on a military base.

Renee, edmond - May 27, 2008 at 11:45 am
hey racists!!!! english only was laughed out of the house... 1804 will fall like the berlin wall. terrill the extorting , thug abused the system and should be in jail. and you lemmings need to follow your leader over the cliffs edge.
Randy, Moore - May 27, 2008 at 11:26 am
When you see a D Walker article you know it's going to be an anti-oklahoma pro-illegal agenda at work once again. Say hello to Harry Coates for me Devonna.
Rufus, spencer - May 27, 2008 at 10:10 am
female dogs shouldn't go sniffing in others biz
The Plainsman, Oklahoma - May 27, 2008 at 9:34 am
Hey Plainsman....come to AZ or Calif , it is NOT about the color of the skin but about , running red lights and killing innocent people, shooting cops,kidnapping, stealing cars, driving without a license, no registration (car is stolen?) Raping and impregnating young girls(the latest in our news was 11), robbing businesses,Breaking our laws and expecting us to change our laws to suit their agendas!! ETC,ETC,ETC. Don't believe me? try reading our news for a while ......AZcentral.com, eastvalleytribune.com try it for about a month to get the proper perspective....Okla. isn't there yet, but it will become the same if you do gooders have your way. So you see. it's NOT the color of their skin, but how they came to this country and what they do after they get here...........DORK!
Beverly, Mesa - May 27, 2008 at 8:34 am
Richard, are you the same guy who posts on our neighborhood website bitching about garage sale signs, etc? If not, you boys should get together. Between the two of you, you'd have all the legal interpretative skill available in OKC. We could all consult you for your wisdom. Or not. Word. Rule of Law. <snicker>, such a dork. To you it's only about the color of skin.
The Plainsman, Oklahoma - May 27, 2008 at 7:48 am
Does anybody have any information on Devonna? I can't find an e-mail address or phone numer for her. It's strange. I wanted to talk to her about her biased articles.
Ray, Edmond - May 27, 2008 at 7:15 am
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She is sickening!!
K, Edmond - May 27, 2008 at 6:40 am
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when is ms walker and the unoklahoman realize that this is not about immigration as it is about thre rule of law. people who do not enter the country legally are not immigrants but strickly criminals and nothing less. start deporting them now and let's be done with it. we all have been wondering what piece of junk article walker would come up with next as she has never writen anything for the country only for it's demise by wanting to allow the criminals to be left alone and the unoklahoman supports her on this?
richard, oklahoma city - May 27, 2008 at 2:30 am

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