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David Stanley Ford

Red light violation creates danger in Norman

By Don Gammill    Comments Comment on this article12
Published: November 9, 2009

How many of you have seen similar situations?

There is a problem that is getting completely out of control in the metropolitan area: running traffic lights. I drive down Northwest Expressway every morning, and I usually see at least seven or eight people who run the red light.


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I work in Norman, and it is the same problem there. It is as if "red” means nothing to drivers any more.

One day in Norman, there were three cars that entered the intersection just as the light was changing red. But after they cleared the intersection, four more cars entered the intersection, a full second or two after the light had turned red.

If something isn’t done, people will be killed when they pull into the intersection at a green light ... rammed by some careless driver who is more concerned about saving a few minutes than about people’s lives.

Dave, Oklahoma City

Running a red light is: (1) dangerous, and (2) against the law. But these points don’t seem to deter some people — probably more people than you think.

This is not saying there are drivers out there who intentionally run the reds all the time, but rather too often people get in a hurry, or aren’t prepared to stop in time and take a chance.

It’s a risk you’re better off avoiding.

Year after year, statistics show that most accidents occur at intersections. Whether it be because someone pushed the accelerator rather than the brake to get through ahead of someone else, or they thought they had plenty of time, or they just weren’t paying attention, crashes are more frequent at these locations than anywhere else.

Heavy-volume traffic increases that danger many times over and factors such as speed or distraction multiply the risk even more.

We live in a hurry-up world, often with a need for speed to get here or there. But traffic laws — and lights — are made to be obeyed for the safety of all. It’s too risky not to do so.

By the way ...

There are many things that can happen at an intersection that can lead to disaster, in addition to running a red light.

Two of them cited often in traffic accident analyses are failure to signal and improper lane changes.

And a yellow light doesn’t mean "keep going, but hurry up.”

Enjoy your week and drive safely.

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Well how about the speeders on I-35 that drive well over the speed limit and in inclement weather continue to drive well over the safe limit. I agree red lights need to be observed however your reporting is lame, how many people have been killed actually for runnin red lights in Norman? Please dont indulge the readers with YOUR pet peeves report facts this is as lame as reporting as I have seen.
Terry, Norman - Nov 15, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Im all for the implementation of an intelligent traffic-light system. Ever drive down NW 23 at broadway and have to sit at a green light because traffic is so backed up from the light at Santa Fe that is red? Maybe they should add light cameras and use the fines from that to implement the intelligent lighting system
Jordan, Oklahoma City - Nov 12, 2009 at 1:46 am
+1 on the cameras. There is no excuse for running a light or sign.
Ray, Warr Acres - Nov 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm
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I overheard a person once say, "I observe the spirit of the STOP sign. I slow down and check the other traffic before I keep going." He thought nothing of his actions, thought it was just fine. This is how these people think when running red lights.
Matt1, OKC - Nov 11, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Red light cameras, please. People might feel differently about running red lights after a few tickets arrive in their mailboxes.
C, Oklahoma City - Nov 11, 2009 at 10:47 am
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The CITY of Norman could do a LOT to alleviate this problem if they would use proper traffic controls on Norman streets. The lights that get run often are those that stay red for well over 2 minutes then allow 2 or 3 cars from a very long line thru a light. The others are those that stay red for >2 minutes when opposing traffic is completely absent.

And yes that light at N. I-35 & Robinson is one of them, just like S. I-35 & Main used to be. Give drivers a reasonable chance to navigate heavy traffic and they will do the right thing.

If you'd like an example of the great job Norman City traffic engineers do, they fed the left lane of traffic on South bound HWY 77 into a left turn only lane, without marking it anywhere, all less than 24 hours before the OU-K State. You should have seen the mess that game day traffic created at Porter/Classen & Alameda. None of those drivers had adequate warning to signal or change lanes.
Concerned, Central Oklahoma - Nov 9, 2009 at 11:24 am
In Fairbanks, AK (and I would assume other places) traffic lights that are in high speed areas have a "prepare to stop" flashing light about 1/4 mile ahead of them. However, these are not just constant flashing lights, but smart flashing lights that only flash when the signal ahead is about to turn red (or is currently red and staying red for a while). This allows the driver to maintain speed if the light ahead is green and the warning light is not flashing because they know they will be able to make the light. It also allows them to know to come to a stop ahead because they know they won't be able to make the light even though it is currently green. While this won't work on all intersections, it would be a great addition to those higher speed area lights such as HW 66 and Kilpatrick turnpike, NW Expressway and Council, Mustang, HW4 intersections.
Rick, Yukon - Nov 9, 2009 at 10:31 am
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It is CONSTANT AMAZEMENT that all you people who are SO concerned about following traffic laws refuse to acknoledge - and get truly angry about - how horrible are traffic "laws" are to begin with. There is no other part of our society where we expect, control, criminalize and osteracize HUMAN behavior based on MECHANICAL behavior. Look, if this city would spend money FIXING traffic lights, then perhaps they would earn the respect of the people who really should follow their good advice. Stop worshipping this $100K pieces of scrap metal (from over 50 years ago, by the way) and start pressuring the City Council to replace them with intelligent, accurate, dependable traffic control devices and STREET PLANNING. Our city has double its share of traffic lights because it is laid out on an almost perfect grid - doubling and tripling the number of intersections. Do you know there hasn't been a single traffic light in Oklahoma City in 5 years that knew anything about any other traffic light? Or the traffic???? It's insane.
c, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2009 at 8:50 am
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You do-gooders should be staisfied, you have turned the US into a third world countr. In no other country in the world, that I have been to do they stop for red lights. Maybe England but they have traffic circles. Stop all immigration,throw every one out of America that have not been here at least 15 years, and get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US, and its bastard half sisters the world bank and the IMF
Dale, Cheyenne - Nov 9, 2009 at 8:39 am
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I witnessed a Green Light violation this weekend at the intersection just west of 24th and Robinson, where the people are exiting from N I-35 onto Robinson. A woman in a small car was going N-bound and had a green light to go through (coming off the road known as the Mile of Cars) The people who were exiting off I-35 and turning East bound on Robinson continued to turn in front of her, although their light was a solid green and not a protected green arrow. It was awful to watch her as she tried to go forward and get onto the on ramp for I-35 and car after car just kept turning in front of her without regard to the light. Horrible intersection.
Sarah, Norman - Nov 9, 2009 at 6:18 am
I am with you, C. They also need to target Memorial around Quail Springs Mall.
Five hundred bucks for a blatant violation sounds good to me.
Ray, Warr Acres - Nov 9, 2009 at 6:17 am
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I totally agree with the danger here. This is a big problem in downtown OKC as well. Everyone could care less about others lives and they don't realize who is in those cars, moms, dads, grandparents, children.... Everyone thinks they will make it because those who have the green light sit and wait now so it is okay to run the red. Not true, it is not okay. I think it is time for cameras to catch them and enforce it with a huge fine, not just 20 or 50 dollars but how about a 500.00 or 1000.00 fine. It is very dangerous anywhere anymore because people just do not care about each other.
C, c-town - Nov 9, 2009 at 5:35 am
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