Southmoore duo steps up in win over Mustang
Southmoore 22, Mustang 19

Leroyce, Be careful what you admit to on a message board. Believe it or not, OSSAA does consider contact between a parent and potential student-athlete a recruiting violation:

Section 4. Limited interaction permitted between employees and representatives of school and student-athletes at
other schools.
Interaction between employees or representatives of a member school and student-athletes from other
schools is permitted in connection with events such as summer instructional camps, non-school summer
leagues, or awards ceremonies, except that school employees or representatives are prohibited at all times
from making any statements or engaging in any acts, even if not intended to be taken seriously, that could
be interpreted as encouraging a prospective student-athlete to enroll at or transfer to a member school.
Section 5. Employees or representatives of school defined.
Employees or representatives of a school include administrators, teachers, coaches, assistants, sponsors,
aides, managers, and trainers employed by the school, as well as other student-athletes presently enrolled
or planning to enroll at the school, family members of those student-athletes, alumni, volunteers, and
members of organizations supporting the school's athletic activities.

My opionion is that is the dumbest rule I have ever read. Why would you make a rule that is impossible to enforce. Someone please tell me how that rule can be enforced.

Leroyce, seriously it has been a pleasure conversing with you. I wish all the other parents would get involved as passionately as you have. We are going to have to agree to disagree about this. I will so that I do not know the exact number of transfers so I usually put 15ish. Anyway, I applaud your enthusiasm about SouthMoore and it's student athletes. I do not have, nor will I ever have, any ill will towards SouthMoore but I do have certain opinions about this subject. As I stated earlier, I do know people that coach in Moore Public School system that have told me things I won't or have ever written in any of these comment sections. These conversations that I have had led me to believe my suggestions, not just some "idea" that popped into my head or some random uneducated theory as to what's been going on in the SouthMoore school district. Those that are above board, and I believe your situation is valid, I have no problem with, but those that aren't, and you know who you are, I definitely have opinions about. (Sorry for ending the sentence in a preposition) I definitely believe that the masses are being persecuted for the actions of a few.

David, First of all let me say that your interest in conversation seems extremely narrow and sinister with a obvious negative attitude toward one school, Southmoore High. But thats ok because I too like converstaion and especially with individuals like yourselve who attempt to mask thei real intent.

If you read my post earnestly, you will notice that I did not mention sports, but what I said was I would tell any parent (without hesitation) to take there kids out of OKCPS and I will, even if it means moving or selling your home. I personally looked several places before I chose Moore. You also miss read the OSSAA rule it is for coaches first of all and not some parent who tells another how great the sports, academics or facilities are at another school, if OSSAA got into that they would need thousands of staff members.

And please!! please get your facts right before you state them publically: 1. There are no 15 senior transfers who come over and are starting or even playing as for as that is concerned. I have tried to educate all you guys who for some reason are soooo disgrunted about SouthMoore. Listen carefully, inter district transfers are not the concern of OSSAA, they do not get involved in the guidelines districts set for inner transfers(got it) so stop using the total number of transfers for this year because a good number was inner district.

2. The OSSAA does not involve themselves with the standard of academics from one member school to the next, many people have tried that but no go, they do not grant athletic hardships on the bases of academic shortfalls. There may be some extreme circumstances but it would be extreme.

3. Here is a another thing you need to get and all you lawyer happy people when it comes to OSSAA and legal preceedings. I will make it simple, You carry them to court and you most likely will lose and the OSSAA is fully aware of the protection they have. Listen guys, most courts recognize OSSAA as legislative body and a volunteer non-profit so schools voluntarily put themselves under the rules of the OSSAA which makes the courts reluctant to overturn the OSSAA rulings. I personally feel that it gives them too much power over the lives of families and kids, but until it changes, it is what it is.

4. And David this is why I call you sinister, We are not under some special OSSAA investigation. Did you read the prevoius post inwhich I tried to enlighten Charles- Lawton, when he wrote his "be happy" messege about the OSSAA and the two games for this year. I am sure you are a very likable guy, but a little sinster when it comes to our school. You and Charles-Lawton refuse to believe the integrity of my post. And you continiously say that it is questionable that a few kids (6, not 15)could come into the district without recruiting, that is not true, and let me tell you that one of them just came to Oklahoma in June of 09, he did not know any of us. I hope this helps you, or at the least helps you to state the true facts and not just what pops out of your head.

Leroyce, I'm not sinister as you stated, I'm a very likeable guy as I'm sure you are as well. All I am is an interested party with a zest for lively conversation. What more lively of a conversation is there than a mass transfer of student-athletes to the SouthMoore school district? As far as what you stated earlier about "networking" and selling kids to the SouthMoore school district, that is a direct violation of OSSAA rules. I will copy and paste the rule so that you may read and see for yourself. You have obviously overlooked this rule.

Section 2. Recruiting defined.
Recruiting includes initiating or maintaining contact with a student-athlete, or the student-athlete's family
members, friends, or associates, in circumstances that could influence that student-athlete to select or
transfer to a member school for the purpose of representing that member school in athletic competition.
Offering economic incentives or rewards of any type to a student-athlete, which are not available to all
prospective students on an equal basis, regardless of participation in athletics, or offering such economic
incentives or rewards to the student-athlete's family members, friends, or associates, for the purpose of encouraging that student-athlete to select, transfer to, or remain at a member school, also constitutes
recruiting in violation of this Rule. Recruiting may also include offering or providing special or additional
coaching or instruction that is not offered or made available to other student-athletes at the school on an
equal basis, or providing special attention or consideration to a student-athlete who is considering
transferring, for the purpose of influencing that student-athlete to remain at the school.

It's as clear as any rule that I have ever read or will ever read. The rule reads a little vague and I'm sure attorneys have dissected it in such a way that they have found the many loopholes. One such loophole that I've come up with in my "sinister" and "evil" mind, is that parents can use the "academic excellence" of SouthMoore or the safety of kids as a factor for moving. This will allow the OSSAA to grant eligibilty knowing full well that most, not all, transferred for athletics and not for the reasons stated. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist but you can't tell me that 15-ish kids moved in from other schools at the same time, all being seniors and all starting on the football team is just coincidental. I refuse to believe it. The fact that the OSSAA is still investigating SouthMoore is proof that "shady" business has been done. Everyone knows that if you retain legal guidance in a school district that school districts and the OSSAA for that matter will usually back down for fear of a lawsuit that lawyers throw around like candy these days. Parents know this and that's why it's so easy to skirt around rules. It happens all the time here in Lawton. As soon as someone threatens a lawsuit for whatever reason, everyone backs down because they don't want to risk losing a ton of money in legal precedings. The fact that many of these kids are going through some sort of legal proceedings regarding this issue is a strong statements to how all of this was handled.

Charles - Lawton, I forgot you did not come into this conversation until late, no! seriously I am not getting at you now. If you had been in the conversation days before, you would have read the post that I wrote about that issue. I was in the court room when it happend sir. I said earlier that all you SouthMoore haters will be dis-appointed that we still will have the #1 seed in our district and nomatter wether or not they take those comes, we still will go to State. Sorry to take your excitement away, but it is not news to those who has been posting, I broke it before you. sorry Charlie...lol.
Let me help you, The courts granted a temporary order and it was served on both Moore District schools and OSSAA so both was forced to allow those to kids to play. One has since been cleared and the other was denied, so there was no SouthMoore scandel, I 'm sorry, I guess I am just hurting all you Southmoore HATERS feelings tonight. We will Play Bartlesville and if we are blessed, we will move on from there.

David and Joel, both of you are full of it, David you live in sinister world it must be freaky(like Freddy),Your desire for there to be scandel on SouthMoore is sad, and your grand kid will be grand parents before your desire is filled because there is none. People by and sell, move and attend school where they want to, no matter who may have told them about a school, a church or whatever, and there is nothing against a rule about networking. Why is that hard for you to understand. I will tell a parent in a hot minute to get their kid out of Oklahoma City Public schools without hesitation!!! OH, don't worry about a astreick, noone will see it but you.

Joel, thank you for the kind words, I need say no more to you.

leroyce- no i said dont make yourself look like another word for a donkey, im sure u dont know wat i mean, after being such a saint defending southmoore.

This is getting downright interesting. I love a spirited debate between adults. Charles-OKC I don't believe anyone in this forum ever has discredited your son or his abilities or anyone else on the team for that mattter. SouthMoore is as talented a team as any coach would love to have. The problem is how all this talent, excluding yours and several others that transferred above board, was assembled. You must admit it sure looks a bit shady from the outside looking in? I got off work to go see Southmoore play LHS when it was in Lawton just to watch your son play and he is as advertised. I remember when you were in high school here it was always a pleasure to see you play. I also loved to watch you play at OU. It's got to be very exciting and unique to be able to see your son play at the next level at OU. All this forum is about is expressing your opinion on the matter. Everyone has their belief and that is their right. As I've said from day one, I would love to have all this "scandal" resolved so that SouthMoore can fully enjoy their season, without having that asterick by it's record.

Did you feel the first 1 or possibly 2 bricks in that wall hit you in the head? As reported in the Oklahoman today OSSAA investigation of TB from Norman North and JN from Edmond SF
you will probably forfiet 1 or 2 non-district games, Midwest City and Westmoore. Just the beginning. Funny I only had to wait a little over 10 hours to resume commenting to you.

Charles- Lawton, You are still so petty that you think or hope some big scandel is coming back on the Sports program at SouthMoore. Let me help you sir.. There is no deep secrets, I have tried to explain to all you HATERS of our program, we will make history and be fine nomatter what OSSAA does because we have done things right.

I would like to say...that any of you that want to discredit me for my mistakes...feel free to do so, but to attempt to discredit my son, his abilities or the opportunities that he has worked hard for his entire life is very un-adult like and down right ludacris. I for one am very proud of my son & his courage to except the challenge of going to OU..(Florida was where I thought he would choose)but as I told him that many would attack him due to my mistakes in the past. His response was...Unwavering..This has been a dream of his & handling the critics & nay sayers has been a constant walk for him..I wanna just keep proving them wrong & this is what you've prepared me for" to handle the pressures and the many challenges & adversities that life may deal you. Kendal has grown up in Moore most of his childhood & playing for Southmoore wasn't a dream because it has only been in existance for 2 yrs. But being a high school quarterback for a Moore school with the opportunity to play on the college level has & he & our family for one feel blessed & thank God for his offer & opportunity to some day live out his dream. Play for OU like his father.. What's the harm in that...why all the fuss, I AM SORRY FOR THE MISTAKES THAT I MADE BUT "I" NOT MOST OF YOU PAID & CONTINUE TO PAY A PRICE FOR THOSE MISTAKES"....My Son is Kendal Thompson...not Charles...say what you want about me..I am man enough to deal with it & will tell you that I AM AT PEACE WITHIN MYSELF & BLESSED FOR WHAT I HAVE.. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE

LeRoyce,

I will discontinue commenting as I was taught not to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. I will save further comments for when the wall of lies and deceit comes tumbling down on your head.

Joel, figured you were a little simple minded, so let me clear - up what I meant. You ask did I make $$ for being such a saint. I in turn reply yep, it's called college tution. Meaning my son is being going to college on a scholarship and that is where my hard work has paid off. Not for any other reason but hard work and talent. You got it?

didnt make any sense what so ever...

YEP, Its Called College Tution, colleges did recruit mine and he was recruited before and after he go to Southmoore.

dont make an a$$ of yourself after bein such a saint this whole time.

Joel-OKC, Shut-up, you make it clear that a high ACT doesn't automatically equate to intelligence.

keyword transfer not transfers.

Leroyce- let me lay this out for you...i played for a team in district 6a-1, i kno most of the transfers to southmoore and i kno kendal thompson. All the transfers are good kids, the only thing i ever said anything about them was that they were recruited. and leroyce i can read i made a 30 on my act which also proves im not stupid like jacka..es like u that make a good school like southmoore look bad.
PS i really wouldnt have cared if mustang won the gold ball because farrow moved because he could afford the apartment in mustang not because mustang didnt have enough talent to win on their own.

Charles- Lawton, When people show themselves to be a thing then I have no problem calling them that thing, and you fit in the arena of all that you've listed. Your comment about a man's son the way you did makes it certain that you are a fool and a coward. Why don't you say those things to his face. You do not know what happen and you comment about this mans son!! Noone insulted your son, and you should know that certain things are off limits and that is personal attacks on people's families, ok. I will make factual statements about you, but your family is off limits as for as I am concerned and I am asking you Charles, not to insult this man's child.
All you fools who keep insulting his son because you are jealous of him, let me tell you that this young man is respectful, has a 4.0 GPA, 26 ACT, and the coaches and players love him and respect him and so do I. I also have a great deal of respect for the entire family.

And Charles, I am more like a German shephard. Pitbulls are voilent even when not prevoked, and they do not calculate their attacks. Shephards protect people from other animals, even when those animals are human.

LeRoyce, I can tell from your comments you must be a Christian man by the way you praise people.I never belittled any player on your team or you as being losers.All thru your posts you refer to others as: ignorant,delusional,stupid,loser,ill,bitter,cummunist,prejudice a--,idiot,fool and coward. We were giving you statistics and the thoughts of other interested fans and you attack just like a rabid pitbull.None of the posts other than you stooped to name calling.

As for your comments about your teams respect for each other,please tell us why your JR QB was benched to start the game. Now that is respect for the Coaches,teammates and school.A week after commit to OU and he feels like he doesn"t need the practice,sounds a lot like his dad. You may not have him next year,he may steal some gloves or sell something he shouldn't and get his picture on the cover of SI.

Now THAT is ignorant

I hope your ignorance makes you feel better, delusional people often find comfort in their excuse making, small minded thoughts. Charles, how stupid your comments are. Every school in Lawton is constantly getting new students in. You should shut-up. You know what? since you want to continue your insults, let me say this, regardless of how you see the matter, you are still a loser, so that means you had your son looking foreward to being part of a loser for the last 4 years of his Football career. I guess since you was at the game, you did see #26 our 10th grade running back, who had a field day, and #10 our 11th grade QB who made you look silly, Starting QB a 9th grader who drove the initial series down your thought. We can talk some underclassmen my friend, any body who sleeps on the SABERCATS the next few years will pay a huge price.

Yes,I enjoyed the game,I believe it was one of the top 3 High School
games I have ever witnessed.Great talent on both teams,ours just happens to be homegrown not implanted.My son was born and raised across the street from Eisenhower High and kicked your a-- all night.He grew up wanting to be an Eagle since he was in 1st grade,he didn't decide what High School to attend the summer before his SR year on the chance to win a state championship. By the way,we will see you again next year as the majority of or skill players are soph and juniors. Sabercats were lucky our coaches went braindead and played prevent defense.Remember we are rebuilding a program not recruiting one.

Charles- Lawton, did you like the game? I doubt seriously if the rest of the State is interested in you little small minded protest of my SO WHAT to your numbers, only you and a very small group like you are that interested in attempting to put down the efforts of kids. And what does the third grade comment mean, if you are going to try to put me down or insult me please do better. It is a fact that your numbers have no value.

Joel-OKC, You are stupid and do not really deserve comment. If you could read you would know I said all the transfers wasn.t out of district and futher, who gives a d.... what you would perfer to see. Why is these families move so important to you people any way? I bet your prejudice a... would have loved to see Mustang win the Gold, even with their transfer, huh?

LeRoyce, norman north is not part of the moore district. anadarko is definitly not part of the moore distrct, centennial is north of I40 catch my drift? Just so u kno, i would love to see someone from the west side of the state win the gold ball without division one caliber out of district transfers. OK????

You say "SO WHAT!!" as a response,that is a good response if you are a third grader. Your "3" contributors provide 60% of your BIG PLAYS on defense and 46% of yor scoring and you say "big deal". That is the first time you have been right,to the rest of the state it is a BIG DEAL. The statistics are on MAXPREPS so they are accurate because they are posted by a Southmoore coach.By the way,I will be at the game
tonight.

Charles - Lawton, Only one lineman came from outside the district, the other was a in district transfer,(has nothing to do with OSSAA)like wise also some of the ten you are mentioning were inner district transfers,again has nothing to do with OSSAA. The numbers are what they are.The three kids I mentioned have had a major impact and have greatly contributed to the numbers, so what!! they are good football players, it still does not negate the FACT,"NOONE PUT THIS TEAM TOGETHER." and if you know sports you should know that it takes more then talent, it also have to be kids who can get along and respect each other and you know that can not be scripted. I do not know if your numbers are correct but so what if they are, I said three kids were contributors and I bet you if your numbers are right, they provided the crust of those numbers.

I want to envite you all out to see Lawton Ike VS Southmoore, Charles, don't be afraid and please stop being a hater, support us in bringing that GOLD BALL back to this side of the State.

After a little research I have a few facts to offer.The 2009/2010 Southmoore roster has 10 Seniors that were not on the 2008/2009 roster,HMMMMMMMMMM.You say only 3 of them are contributors,well here are the stats on these transfers.189 of 812 tackles=23% of team total /164 of 359 points scored = 46%/5 of 22 sacks = 23%/8 of 11 Interceptions = 73%/
7 of 14 forced and recovered fumbles = 50%. The 3 linemen transfers averaged 6'2" 274 lbs. Lawton has 3 high schools; Lawton High 6A,Eisenhower 6A and MacArthur 5A with approx. 3300 students.The entire city had 5 new seniors on their rosters this year with only transferring between Lawton schools.Remember Ft Sill has thousands of families transferring in and out every year. The numbers don't lie.

David-Yukon, Are you ill, has your bitterness and jealousy of a High School sports program reached the point of illogical thinking? I or anyone associated with Southmoore's Football program will never have anything less than joy and feelings of blessings from having shared this awsome season together as friends. Only individuals with sick little minds like yours will think that this season could be tarnished by anything, even a loss, which will not happen.
The only way for you to be cured is let go of your mental block that some how some one put this team together. Donald, that is false and I am trying to tell you but you guys are so anti-Southmoore you refuse to get the truth in your minds. You have to first understand that last year would not have been as bad as it was if the two best players on the team had not gotten injured. They would have atleast been a 500 team, had KT & Key stayed healthy. I say this to help you see that the transfers helped but only to fill into a team that had good athletes already. truly you only have three transfers that are contributors, only three!!
Donald, Yes, I am a great defender of the people at Southmoore high School because they are people of integrity, who do right by kids. Also personally I have sacraficed a lot, a hell of a lot moore than any parent should have to for a good education and opportunities for their children. This is America, why should honest, hard working families be questioned about why they moved from one community to another? You guys sound like communist. If you knew how bad education has become in some parts of Oklahoma you would not question anyone moving from certain area's.

LeRoyce, You are a great defender of Southmoore. No doubt there have been many questions regarding its football program. The only thing I have left to say is that the legacy Southmoore is building as a new high school will always be tarnished by its questionable transfers from other Moore high schools, legal or not. You will always have to live with the questions and become a life long defender of the decision to gather all the best football players in Moore into one high school. Something legal is not always right.

Listen, All you guys who are hoping that some story comes out about SouthMoore that will stop them from playing in the play offs, you can give up the ghost. Guys I am seriously attempting to be honest with you and let you know that there is no OSSAA smoking gun, the problem that the OSSAA is referring to is about one of the players who did not get cleared anyway, it does not have anything to do with some major infractions like the Jenks matter. Let these kids play in peace and leave them alone, please.

Charles-Lawton, I see your reading my stuff baby, it makes me proud. Keep insulting me while taking in my truth.

David - Yukon, Your just another jealous, bitter, loser who does not know what your talking about. In the case of SouthMoore the OSSAA got it right because a negative ruling would not have changed a thing for SouthMoore we still would be going to the play offs and with the #1 seed in our district. Yes, I know in detail what the situation was and it had nothing to do with anyone cheating, nothing!! YOU IDIOTs are eating crow, now!! Since you read my post and called me out,I suppose you read the part that I said I do not waste my time giving truthful details to fools with jealousy and envy in their hearts because they choose to be fools and You know what God says about fools like YOU.

Southmoore have been given the blessing of the OSSAA to continue in the playoffs although the OSSAA did not definitively rule that the player in question is ineligible, just that it needs to further investigate the matter. Once again the toothless OSSAA may allow another injustice as the did last year when they let Jenks play in the playoffs. Corruption continues in High School Football In Oklahoma.

Just finished reading all the comments and I must say that LeRoyce is not only full of it but is living in it. Explain why Southmoore was on the OSSAA agenda yesterday under "Problem Schools"? Of course OSSAA will not be bold and take the necessary action against Southmoore or Jenks until the playoffs are over. Jenks beat Mustang in the playoffs last year with at least one ineligible player and the only thing done was to take 9 games away. What about the damage to Mustang's changes to play for the state championship? Jenks should not be allowed to play in the playoffs for at least a year if not three. Will we have to now wait after the playoffs to finally find out what really going on at Southmoore. Southmoore is a great team that's not the question, the question is how did they become a great team in their second year as a high school and a losing first year. Was it fair to other high schools in 6A. Maybe so by Jenks standards! Will we ever know. . .not until the OSSAA takes charge and deal out fair penalties for infraction of the rules.

2 Words LeRoyce- Spelling and Punctuation.

Chad, you shouldn't be shaking because you are hidden behind the seen as you make your attack on people's charactor and then act as though it doesn't mean anything. I wonder why you are so vested in this matter? And please spare us the great defender of athletics because you have attacked Southmoore like a pit-bull. I say let the OSSAA do what they feel they need to do, truth is truth and not even trouble keepers like you can change that and yes I meant trouble keepers.
Also Chad, I make know apologies for defending people of charactor angainst liers like you, who say they know facts but in reality you spread falsehoods, because you have a personal axe to grain with someone, but your not man enough to say it.

leroyce your comments got me shaken, i am only stating the facts. they are still looking into several schools. pretty sure they were on their docket today. they post all meeting topics. you seem to get defensive awful easy. hmmmmmm

David, Why do you keep talking about someone moving to win at all cost, you truly do not have a real understanding of the situation. Most of us who moved was not thinking less go there to win some elusive championship and if that were truly the case then me and whoever surely needs to be brought into question. I do not have any problems talking to you or anyone else about my reason for coming to Southmoore, I can truly say that I look at several other options prior to coming. David, be honest you say that you are just playing the devils advocate but it sure seems that you have an axe to grain and especially the way you continue to remark about how questionable things are at Southmoore. There were aleast a thousand move ins and transfers around the State of Oklahoma, and any of them could be questionable.

David we can meet, I to would love to have a conversation about what is right and wrong with high school sports in Oklahoma because there are plenty, but very little truly has anything to do with parents who want to move or some secret desire to when a championship. Your right I did state the wrong rule but I did not miss following it, and niether did the rest of the Southmoore parents. I do not know you but I can tell you that I have blessed the lives of many young athletes in the metro area from a coaching and counseling position so I can tell you with out a doubt I have serious interest in student/athletes and how sports are governed. Yes, I am tired of the false, unsincere comments nomatter how long they last it does not make them true and people of good charactor would not continue in such a manner.However, I am not tired of dealing with positive intelligent discussion that can help the situation and cause more divide.

Chad,seems you know a hell of alot about the OSSAA, why wasn't you there to help them earlier, let me tell you this,Noone is fearing your stupid little comments about futher investigation, You can take that and stick it up your... And a coward like you would not like to see me under any circumstances. WE WILL WIN STATE AND TRUST I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU!!!!!

Hang in there LeRoyce. I agree with all your posts. GO SABERCATS!!!

leroyce you say if yo get past jenks you will win state. are they not on the other side of he bracket from you. i sure hope that the ossaa does not treat soothmoore like jenks and wait til the seasons over and then make you forfeit all the games, cause they are still not done investigating. sure would hate to see you eat crow.

LeRoyce,

Maybe you should read Rule 9, section 2 of the OSSAA rules since you are quoting rules and regulations of the OSSAA guidelines. I understand how tired you are because this conjecture will be constant and unforgiving by most people that care about what goes on in athletics. That's what this comment section is all about. It's about giving opinions on certain topics. I, for one, would be glad to sit down and have an adult conversation about what's right and what's wrong about this whole situation. Have a great day.

LeRoyce,

I'm am not even close to being a "hater" as you claim. I'm merely being the devil's advocate here. I'm trying to make you see the other side of the story. I personally could care less about championships it's more about what we are teaching and preparing our children for in the future. Are we teaching them that winning at all costs is okay as long as you win? Are we teaching them to take the easiest path in life as long as it's short term goals are attained? It's crazy how our priorities have morphed into "win at all costs". I also find it very interesting that you are the only one willing to step up and defend the criticism. I believe it's because maybe you, of all the transfers, have a legitimate reason to leave. I'm curious as to why it was Southmoore though. I just read Rule 8 in the OSSAA rule book and basically it stated what I said, you have to prove residence in the Southmoore district and provide proof of academic eligibility. I'm glad that these young men are having a great time and I hope for their success because I know it's not them ultimately that has caused all the fuss, it's the parent's living vicariously through them. I'm not jealous and I'm sure not ignorant (maybe you should re-read some of your posts) but I do have a firm grasp on what is right and what is wrong. Take that for what it's worth. I'm trying to have a intellectual conversation with anyone that has an opinion on this matter.

Buck, Yukon,
Let me make a bold prediction, Mustang will not get past PCN or beat Southmoore next year. As for as OSSAA future annoucements, I do not give a ...... I am tired of the whole process, I mean tired. I want the best for these young men because they have worked so hard and blessed each others lives, that is all I care about at this point, not OSSAA or jealous and ignorant adults.

Charles-lawton,
Maybe you should not take the time to read my comments.

David -Lawton,
Let me say this, You guys need to read rule 8 int the OSSAA rule book, it is darn near impossible to get cleared through the OSSAA rule, you have to fall within certain catories and prove it to them, which is extremely difficult and the bearden is on the transferee not the OSSAA, they do not have to do the foot work, the subject does and they get so personal into your life someone would have to be stupid to turn their lives over like that for the possability of a high school chapionship, Dave, I thought you conversation was earnest starting out but I see you fall in the "HATER CLUB" Also I guess you do not know that OSSAA has a firm so big representing them many lawyers do not want to take a case to fight them,and besides that they are considered to be protected by state stature that saids when schools volunteerily come under their rules you can'y sue them, now people do but they lose and most lawyers know that.I done with this conversation because you and all of those who choose to to be anti truth about Southmoore are not going to change your minds, but let me say this, it does not matter what you guys think are how much you hope Southmoore fails, we are going to give 100% of all we have to get to the state Championship and if we get past Jenks we will win it!! All the kids will only remember in years to come is that we was Blessed to win a championship and the bitter jealous people who will complain and attempt to darken the moment for our kids will be forgotten.

Chad you probably do not know much about sports, there is a reason people compete what ever the format is, but just as I stated earlier you are a child so I will not comment the way I normally would when people show how stupid they can be. Also when SouthMoore beat Union in a very competitive scrimage they did not have the full team. Enough said,I will not comment to you anymore because you do not know what it is to compete.

leroyce are you seriously going to count a scrimmage as a win. you are a joke. im sure next time around(that is if southmoore gets that far) union will watch film and game plan for southmoore. i bet the didnt do that for a scrimmage. wow you are a scrimmage champion congrats.

I'm sure that if you checked every kid in that district, you would be surprised as to where the actually lived, not where the OSSAA believes they live. I believe the Thompson kid was there last year. The OSSAA is probably innundated with investigations these days since Jenksgate! I'm not going to be surprised at all when eventually something occurs post-season in regards to all of this.

I just have a question and maybe someone can answer, last year when Southmoore just opened they had an open transfer to any students who wanted to attend, did that carry over to this year? And did Kendal Thompson transfer this year or was he there last year? Because if so, I have friends that live 3 houses down from Charles Thompson and that school district is Westmoore.

LeRoyce,

I know that teams do have "special" seasons from time to time, but you have to admit that it does look a bit suspicious from last year to this year. The fact that the OSSAA had to investigate each of the transfers is proof that something is a little suspicious. Try to look at it from an outsiders perspective. I totally agree that you should not have to worry about your safety when you are in high school and as a parent you have a duty to protect your kid. I get that, but not all of the so called "transfers" that moved in to Southmoore had your situation. Agree? You must be able to try and see the situation from the eyes of an outsider. The people doing the investigation have their hands pretty much tied due to fact that most of the parents would have some legal action taken against the OSSAA so they look into it and move on. The investigation usually involves making sure the kid lives in the district. It's pretty difficult I imagine to prove why they moved where they moved. That's where all the speculation and conjecture is coming from. Yes, kids move around all over in this state because nothing has ever been done in the past and the Jenks situation has cast a light on this practice and people are scrambling around trying to cover the tracks that were ignored for years. I don't doubt for one second that the people in Moore have been anything but gracious and courteous and that's the way it should be. Honestly, do you think Southmoore would have the record they have now without the transfers? Be honest!! I think not!! I have no anomosity towards anyone or any family but I would like those that did move to Southmoore to take their heads out of the sand and own up to what they did, move to win a championship! I hope they do well but if you think that the skeptics are bad now, wait and see how many come out when and if the Sabercats win the gold ball.

LeRoyce,

Maybe your family should have transferred you to a school with a better grammar teacher.

Chad, you are obviously a kid so I am not going to comment other than to say we played Union in a scrimage and beat them at their place and Julian will be an excellent football player at OU and we are blessed to have him as a Sabercat.

David, Lawton, would you agree that this is America, and people should be-able to move anywhere they choose, if a school had a drama program that was excellent and a family wanted their kid in the best program is it wrong for that family to move and put their kid there, if a kid is doing poorly and needs a change in enviornment so he/she can survive why should either kid be stopped from using what ever talents God gave them? People moved into Moore and was cleared via investigation, so why are people still attempting to put a shadow on these kids success. Let me tell you that I have been in many communities and around a lot of people, but the people at southmoore are geniune and it is the people that make others want to be here. All of our kids are friends and some are just meeting each other for the first time, I believe that chemistry is a huge reason for our wins not just talent. Seriously, even some of the kids being offered scholarships are not as talented as the hype has it. David, I appreciate the way you aproached the conversation, but let me say that a lot of schools have transfers and especially good school districts and it is not uncommon for schools to have a losing season and have a good season the next year. look at John Marshall high school this year and if it wasn't for poor coaching Centennial High school should have done the same last year (their second year as a program) . Yes the transfers do help, but remeber Southmoore loss their 3 starters do to injuries last year, the qb, and a rb that ran for 1000 yrds before he was hurt, otherwise they would not have went 2-8, they would have won a few more games anyway.

when did you show union, at 7 on 7 over the summer. that means nothing. your offense was not very impressive gainst mustang. what did you have 170- yards passing and 120 of those came on two plays. all i can say is some of the players are lucky stoops and co. were not their during that game. i sure dont know what they see in julian he was a non factor and pretty much nran from contact in run support. he is not all that. other than that good luck to everyone who made the playoffs

LeRoyce...you're a little too defensive to be rational so I'll move on, but remember the season's not over yet, and don't be surprised if you hear some more OSSAA announcements regarding Southmoore in the near future.

I'm not anti-Southmoore, in fact, I'd much rather see Southmoore win state than Jenks or Union, but I will make a bold prediction...if Mustang and SM should meet again in the playoffs, Mustang will win.

Good luck to you.

C-Yukon you lie when you say you know the situation of people at Southmoore, it is clear that you have a problem with SouthMoore the way you attempt to explain all the good at Mustang, you lie when you say you spoke with some official about a call that was made to turn the game because there was no such call. You make comments calling our players "recruits" and statements saying that we won because of bad ref calls and yes it is offensive and I will comment on your insults anyway I please. Stop bringing-up Mr. Farrow please because you sound stupid when you attempt to make it seem as though someone did not suggest to him Mustang would be a good place for him, which I am happy that he got out of the place he was in but that doesn't make his situation any less similar to the kids at Southmoore. I know that you are so anti SouthMoore if I gave you some unknow public facts about two of the situation you and many like you would only find more fault, so I will not bother. Let me finish talking to by saying, ALL THE KIDS AT SOUTHMOORE EXCEPT ONE WAS INVESTIGATED A LOT MORE THAN MOST AND CLEARED BY THE OSSAA< LIKE IT OR NOT. Oh, I fogot about your Mustang talent being home grown crap,Mr. Farrow was not and if it wasn't for him they would not be in the playoffs. People know who I am on this format but "cowards" like you hide behind it, I would love to meet you!!! Make no Mistake I am willing to bet the SaberCats will when State in 2009, We,ve already shown Tulsa Union how real we are.

Southmoore won, Kendall, Julian and Austin are going to OU. There are several more players going D1. Your words change nothing. Go Southmoore take state, give them another reason to hate!

LeRoyce,
You do not know who I am, nor do you know who I know.
I made the newspaper comment because you didn't seem to know anything about him from your post earlier.
You're so touchy about all this you haven't even noticed that I did NOT insult Southmoore, in fact I complemented them.
I also did not accuse anyone of anything other than the referees made some bad calls. I just put the quote about guilt out there for your reaction and you reacted just as I expected.
I am with Buck, I have no problem with any kid anywhere following the rules that are there for everyone.
No thanks for the lunch, I don't need someone else telling me what they think I know or don't know, especially people who have no clue who I am.
I think your posts have made it clear where you're coming from.

LeRoyce...let me address a few of your comments and thanks so much for the personal attack. I'm not a loser, but I do feel like the facts are the facts.

First of all, I said it was a great game and I think Southmoore has a very good team. It just so happens that I know several of their players and they are all great kids. As for the officiating, there were a few poorly timed "wrong" calls, plain and simple. My comment was that the refs should let the kids play the game and determine the outcome, not make poor calls that affect the outcome. I've spoken with several high school officials since the game and both the "interference" and "roughing the punter" calls were WRONG calls. Now I know that there are always "bad" calls in every game, and I have no problem with inaccurate judgment calls because I appreciate the difficulty of the official's job. I do, however, have a problem with incompetence, especially when it impacts the outcome of a game and those two calls certainly would fall into that category. I don't think it's too much to ask of the officials to actually know the rules that they are tasked with interpreting and enforcing.

Secondly, let me assure you that Mustang DOES NOT recruit players and Daniel was not "recruited" to come to Mustang. I know firsthand of multiple high profile players who have approached Mustang in recent years looking to be recruited, who were turned away. If Mustang was in the recruiting business, they would be much better than they are and they would have a few gold balls in their trophy case. 99% of their talent is home grown. The rest move into the district which is one of the fastest growing school districts in the state.

Thirdly, regarding Mr. Farrow, I'm very familiar with his situation and there are huge differences between what transpired with him, and what transpired with some of the Southmoore "transfers". First of all, Daniel NEEDED to make a move for several reasons. He worked directly with the OSSAA from day 1, communicating his intentions and doing exactly what they required him to do. Daniel has worked very hard to get his act together and is doing a great job. As previously stated, he wasn't recruited, he chose to move to the Mustang school district and he has worked very hard to make that move a reality by following the OSSAA rules and regulations.

Just for the record, I have no problem with ANY kid ANYWHERE following the rules and doing the same thing.

Let's just say that ALL of the transfers raises a lot of eyebrows around the state. You have to aware of that I'm sure! If a team that went 2-8 a year earlier all of a suddent has a bevy of talented players transfer in and then that same team goes and wins the district wouldn't you say that it does draw a little curiosity from other programs that do follow the OSSAA rules and regulations. LeRoyce, you are just ONE of the transfers, I have a problem with ALL of the transfers as a whole. The Sabercats, with their own players went 2-8 a year earlier with their "own" players and won a very tough district with players that are seniors that didn't grow up in Moore. Surely you must see the red flags that go up everywhere?

C,Yukon - Guilty of what? I commented because this is a forum to do so. I also know Daniel personally, coached against him in little league ball, my comment was obviously above your head because most people with common sense could tell I was making a general point, not attacking Farrow. My statements about the situation that you continiously keep bringing up in this forum are first hand, I know all the people involved personally and honestly it bothers me that fools like you keep attacking them. You've decided to become the great defender for Farrow only because of what you read in the papers, but you do not know him, neither do you know the people who moved into Southmoore. If you did you would know that two of the kids were in very bad sutuations one of them almost exactly like Daniel Farrow's situation and the other almost as bad but he still did not get to play. Our matter was investigated closer than any other because the Lake story ran at the same time and OSSAA was on the hunt. But you don't know all that, right? You need to stop offended people that you do not know anything about, I would like to meet you for lunch some time to fill you in so you wont talk out of ignorance.

And LeRoyce, I watched the game later on TV, Farrow got the ball over the line into the end zone, was on his feet when it happened and was pushed backward out of the end zone. It was covered from more than one camera angle and they played it back more than once, the announcers had the same question and agreed it was good. It actually was one of the most observant calls of the evening. Yes there were bad calls on both sides, but that wasn't one of them. I did see a few facemasks being overlooked and a late hit that got overlooked.
It's hard to argue with instant replay.

LeRoyce,
People who attack to defend the accusations are usually the guilty.
Talking about cowards? Why are you picking on Farrow when he is a fine young man who is working very hard to turn around his situation. Everything about his situation has been public knowledge, just read the papers. When he had a choice, he made a good decision to move where there is a good program to show his talents. Would you stay at PC West if you played like him? He didn't have parents with the financial ability to just move him to a good school. He's had to work very hard for himself to keep that promise to himself and his mother.
It seems to me that you just threw yourself in that catagory of "cowards" you were talking about.
BTW, did you miss my compliment to Southmoore in my previous post? I didn't just pull a full attack, and I stated what I see as the facts, and apparently there's some sports writers who see it the same way.
C... from Y U K O N

You cry babbies never stop do you?!! you have a complaint or excuse about everything. The truth is Charles Thompson did not influnece my family to go to Southmoore, my desire to get my kids out of a horrible situation in OKC was my purpose. Let me ask you this Joel, Who recruited Dan Farrow to Mustang, or who suggested that he should leave the Putnam City district to go to Mustang? Is it being recruited if someone tells you about a product or service that you need? All you cowards who keep talking about recruits do not know what your talking about and it seems that you would want to know some facts before you keep attempted to insult someone that you do not know.
And Buck what are you talking about cheating? If you really want to be honest, Mustang never got into the end zone on that first touch down the refs gave them. C, Youkon- Both teams made major mistakes that kept the other team in the game, it would be too easy to look back and say what could have been, but of course only losers do that!!

I'm not hating in any way shape or form. Facts speak for themselves. Can anyone seriously think that Southmoore would have had this type of year without all the transfers? I think not.

Jealousy rears its ugly head! Remember these are just kids. The Cats will still be good next year. Keep hating it only makes them work harder.

Jim, the "ifs" are what IF all these players didn't transfer in? The "or's" are I'm glad these players moved here OR we would have to play our own players, and the "butts" are.....I really don't know what the "butts" are. haha

I can't wait to see the Sabercats next year when all the starters that moved in graduate. Southmoore sold out this year for a ring, which won't happen, and next year they will be back to normal, at the bottom of their district. I've seen their JV and freshman teams.

daniel, i completely agree...charles thompson went and recruited all the kids that played on his little league team. people need to pull their heads out and realize that!

It was a great game overall. Too bad the refs had to impact the outcome of it with a couple of poor calls. Who knows what the outcome would have been, but at least the boys would have determined it instead of the refs. Good game, both teams.

GREAT GAME CATS! You beat all the if's, or's, butt's, would of's and the great team mention below. You so called "recruits" keep on rolling.
Good Luck in the playoffs. We love you!

those recruits are really coming together...

Not to mention Defense for Southmoore, Way ro go Zack Boren for making those last three defensive plays. Take state Boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to go, SaberCats. I actually had a chance to go to this game and see my buddy Keanu Fields play, but I ended up missing it. Oh well, God willing, I'll go to the first playoff game. :)