Secrecy rules on records go 'too far,' some say
State secrecy rules on records go 'too far,' some say

By John Greiner
Published: March 13, 2008

State Supreme Court rules to restrict public access to court records online go too far and create more problems than they address, Oklahoma County Court Clerk Patricia Presley said Wednesday.

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"First and foremost, I believe government records belong to the citizens and should be presumed open and available to the people for their inspection,” she said. "I must believe the Supreme Court holds this same belief.

"Having been in the court records management business nearly all my adult life, I must with the greatest respect say this new rule goes too far.”

Her comments came a day after the court ruled that many court records now easily accessed on the Internet will no longer be available online. The ruling also would severely restrict what information could be included in court records, which could make it difficult identifying to whom those records refer.

Online access could return
In issuing the rules, which are effective June 10, the court said it was an effort to balance privacy rights and public access to court documents. Court dockets will still be available online, for example, but pleadings won't, according to the ruling.

The ruling also would prohibit somebody who files a court document — such as an attorney — from including some personal information such as birth dates, Social Security numbers and home addresses. Taxpayer identification numbers, names of minors and financial account numbers also will be excluded.

Eventually, these rules might be loosened to allow pleadings to be on the Internet again, but not personal identifiers, Chief Justice James Winchester said Wednesday.

Winchester couldn't say when some additional information would be available online again. He said it will be after the court hires a director for its computer network and gets software that can automatically omit any personal identifiers that weren't previously omitted by attorneys when they filed cases.

Presley said she will be approaching the Supreme Court with her concerns about the rules. She thinks there are many less restrictive steps that could be taken.

She's never put victim's information, traffic offenses or jurors' information on the Internet, Presley said.

"I think the biggest concern I have is the number of people who have come to depend on having those documents on the Internet and which allowed them to view court records from their offices,” Presley said.

She said the court clerk's office will have more foot traffic under these rules and may have to get more employees to handle the requests for records.

Privacy concerns cited
Winchester said a legislator whose name he didn't remember expressed concerns about personal information published on the Internet after receiving a complaint from a constituent.

Presley said she's not heard of any problems in Oklahoma County.

But Sally Howe Smith, court clerk in Tulsa County, said she knows of a problem that occurred a few years ago in Tulsa because of personal information on the Internet.

It involved a divorce and custody battle, she said.

The mother in the case had a misdemeanor offense, but it was erroneously recorded as a felony on online court records, explained the court clerk.

The husband saw that information and used it in court against his wife before the information could be corrected, Smith said.

Smith has no issues with the proposed rules.

"I am comfortable with them. I was not comfortable with the records being on the Internet,” she said.

Oklahoma and Tulsa counties' district attorneys said they had not read the rules but agree with keeping personal information off the Internet.

"People can find where police officers live,” Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater said.

Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris said he agrees with Prater, adding that having that information in filings online can put families and witnesses at risk.


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Carson is exactly right. I have no problem with redacting private information. The inability to retrieve documents, however, is another issue and really undermines the usefulness of OSCN. Why was that necessary? I wish they had gone the other direction and required the clerks in all counties to put the records online.
Steven, Oklahoma City - Mar 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm
I'm not sure how many people would have known that social security numbers were available for anyone to access prior to this news report, but by golly we now know where we can get a hold of not just one social security number, but we have access to hundreds, and we only have 2 weeks. I wonder how many identity thefts may take place as a result of the media yelling this from the roof tops,......hmmmm, I wonder.
Jerelyn, Edmond - Mar 13, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I am attorney and use OSCN every day. The ability to see these documents online is a benefit to everyone. However, I agree that more diligence must be used in redacting personal information. I have seen social security numbers and dates of birth for minor children on documents that are available online. These documents were filed by an attorney for the State of Oklahoma. This information must be redacted, and this responsibility should fall on the attorney that is filing these documents. If a harsh penalty was imposed against the attorney for filing this personal information online, it would not happen. Long story short, leave the documents online and create harsh penalties for attorneys who fail to redact personal information. Problem solved. Quoting the dissenting Supreme Court Justices in the opinion that was released concerning this matter, "do not throw the baby out with the bath water."
Carson, Oklahoma City - Mar 13, 2008 at 11:18 am
I use the OSCN records frequently. I have never come across anyone's social security number. The records are usually pretty bland. I am pretty sure the US Suprime court will be bought into this sooner or later. There is an FOI law you know. As for Ms. Presley, her staff are always busy. It was Ms. Caudell who fed the SS#'s in to the OSCN records. Ms. Caudell thinks she is above the law. My husband and I use these records to check Oklahoma arrest records for new employees. Believe me, they are of great benefit to us. About 8 out of 10 people lie about arrests and child support and back taxes.
Thoughtful, Oklahoma City - Mar 13, 2008 at 10:26 am
It appears to me that the Ms. Presley fears her staff may have to work a little harder and this may very well be her motivation in putting the records on-line. She wouldn't be so much in favor of these records being on-line if somebody used her personal infomration to stalk her or to steral her identity. Typical of a government employee in that what is good for "you" isn't necessarily good for "me" attitude. The on-line records need to go. When they first put these records on line one could read a newspaper article about an alleged rape and obtain the name of the alleged perpetrator. Then one could get on the OSCN, type in the alleged perpetrators name and open up his arrest affidavit and read where the alleged victim lives, what her name is, and all the grissly details. However, such is not that case anymore as those types of cases no longer allow internet access. Nonetheless, this is not the case for civil actions ranging anywhere from divorces which have the decree posted on line with SSN and birthdates, VIN #'s, credit card numbers... I also discovered that HIPPA doesn't apply to the courts so if any medical information is used in a civil suit then anybody with internet access can now read your personal medical information. I could go on and on but the Supreme Court did the right thing here.
Okie, Muskogee - Mar 13, 2008 at 8:46 am
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If a felony was erroneously listed as a misdemeanor, that's called a mistake, not identity theft. That's no reason to shut down the most progressive public database in the country! OSCN is a great tool. Maybe the Supreme Court needs to get its act in gear and hire that IT director instead of relying on an anonymous legislative ghost. (Remember that Winchester's wife is Susan Winchester, representative from Chickasha....)
Walter, Edmond - Mar 13, 2008 at 7:31 am