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Senate blocks census US-citizenship question

By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer    Comments Comment on this article20
Published: November 5, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Democrats Thursday blocked a GOP attempt to require next year's census forms to ask people whether they are U.S. citizens.

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The proposal by Louisiana Republican Sen. David Vitter was aimed at excluding immigrants from the population totals that are used to figure the number of congressional representatives for each state. Critics said Vitter's plan would discourage immigrants from responding to the census and would be hugely expensive. They also said that it's long been settled law that the apportionment of congressional seats is determined by the number of people living in each state, regardless of whether they are citizens. A separate survey already collects the data.

Census data is also used to distribute billions of dollars in federal aid.

“The current plan is to reapportion House seats using that overall number, citizens and noncitizens,” Vitter said. “I think that's wrong. I think that's contrary to the whole intent of the Constitution and the establishment of Congress as a democratic institution to represent citizens.”

If Vitter were successful — and if noncitizens were excluded from the census count for congressional apportionment — states with fewer immigrants would fare significantly better in the upcoming allocation of House seats.

State such as California and Texas would fare worse than they would under the current way of allocating seats, which under the Constitution is based on the “whole number of persons” residing in a state.

Louisiana stands to lose one of its seven House seats in the upcoming round of reapportionment. Vitter says that if noncitizens were excluded, Louisiana and eight other states would keep or gain congressional seats that would go to California, Texas, Illinois and New York.

Vitter's amendment, however, would not have changed the way the congressional seats are allocated by counting citizens and noncitizens alike.

Census Director Robert Groves opposes the proposal and recently told lawmakers that it would greatly delay the decennial count. A separate survey already collects citizenship data.

Critics also said Vitter's plan would discourage immigrants from responding to the census and would be hugely expensive.

The GOP proposal would have blocked Census Bureau funds if it doesn't add the citizenship question to the more than 600 million forms. More than 400 million have already been printed.

“As we've said, the proposal is just not doable and we would have had to delay the census,” Census Bureau spokesman Stephen Buckner said Thursday. “The 2010 census remains on track and on schedule, and we're moving forward to ensure we have an accurate count in 2010.”

Critics also said that it's long been settled law that the apportionment of congressional seats is determined by the number of people living in each state, whether or not they are citizens.

Vitter's home-state colleague, Democrat Mary Landrieu, recently said in a letter to Vitter that it would take a constitutional amendment to exclude immigrants from the count.

The Vitter plan fell after a 60-39 procedural vote made it ineligible for inclusion in a bill funding the census.

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Any of you posters have documented instances of illegal's actually voting?? I don't seem to recall of any and do not confuse registration with the actual act of voting.
John, Norman - Nov 5, 2009 at 4:45 pm
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"A guaranteed vote"???? Illegals can't vote (at least not yet).
Kelly, norman - Nov 5, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Milkman's right. This is one of the major issues that cost RINO's their job during the '06 elections.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 5, 2009 at 4:26 pm
This news doesn't surprise me. Why in the world would the liberals want to do anything about the illegals? They are a guaranteed vote for a liberal politician. But, you can include many Republicans and businesses that get rich off of the cheap labor.
UnSub, Yukon - Nov 5, 2009 at 4:14 pm
more illegals = more dem votes = more govt entitlements for illegals and anyone else with their hand out.
Buzz Lightyear, OKC - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Don't waste your mitiful time on those you do not respect. You may fool a lot of people of those web site, but not all. You only care about yourself.
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I love you too.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:06 pm
You, Milkman, are as useless as ----- on a boar hog.
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Barbara, reread my post. I said Congress, controlled by the Republicans. I know what Bush did, but the Limbeck Congress couldn't scratch their ass, now they act like they care. Just a bunch of idiots trying to get press.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Excuse me, Milkman -- have you no memory at all? President Bush DID try to institute an immigration reform bill. Grant you that most of Congress opposed it. That's what voting is all about, in case you have missed out on that. So now you are acting the holy champion of all mankind? Give me a break. You are nothing.
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Barbara, what did your dumb butt party do about illegal immigration under Bush when they controlled the Congress for 6 years? Nothing. Now, they are grandstanding, just like you. You have no rebuttal, so you just grandstand. Show some facts, dispute what I said or shut up.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Milkman - you are the champion winner of the person being most of all a redneck! Don't try to hide! You don't have any knowledge of what happened even 10 years ago. You just want to get on your tired old soapbox and preach. No one with any intelligence wants to hear what you have to say. Of course, there are a whole of unintelligent persons living in this state and elsewhere in the U.S.A. who are so gullible that they will believe what you say. Therein lies your power of perception and that of Obama. Too bad that is true - for our country.
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 2:53 pm
That's right, it is a joke. We didn't have this law before, we don't need it now. Republicans trying to be obsessed with illegal immigrants. What a joke. They're just trying to look tough to all of the rednecks. They don't care about illegal immigration. They sat on their butts for 6 of the 8 years under Bush and did nothing. What a bunch of idiots.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Can you say, "ACORN."
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 2:24 pm
"Here legally, David" Like I said, such a joke. The Dems will take your "vote" any way they can get it.
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Such a joke.
barbara, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I don't care if they are a US citizen, as long as they are here legally.
David, Moore - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Vitter should also sponser legislation asking the citizen if they ever paid for sex from a professional.
John, Norman - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:37 pm
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Looks like the DOK forgot to mention that the census forms for next spring have already been printed up, and so a reprint would cost an estimated $100 million.
Joe, Oklahoma City - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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The Democrats want to include as many illegals as possible in order to broaden their base to who they think will look to them as being the end all be all with handouts. The name of their game is obfuscation. They want to muddy the water as much as possible and could care less about factual legitimate US citizens because their intent is keeping themselves in power over the masses with wealth redistribution being performed by them as they see fit. There is nothing admirable about corruption and their tainted numbers.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 5, 2009 at 12:29 pm

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