Share your thoughts on the Sonics settlement
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Published: July 2, 2008
What are your thoughts on the settlement between the Sonics and the city of Seattle?
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Some NBA "thefts" include:
1957: Detroit stole the Pistons from Fort Wayne.
1960: Los Angeles stole the Lakers from Minneapolis.
1962: San Francisco stole the Warriors from Philadelphia.
1963: Philadelphia stole the 76ers from Syracuse (Nationals).
1968: Atlanta stole the Hawks from St. Louis who stole them from Milwaukee in 1955 who stole them from the “Quad Cities” in 1951.
1971: Houston stole the Rockets from San Diego.
1973: Landover, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C., stole the Bullets from Baltimore who stole them from Chicago (Zephyrs) in 1963. In 1997, they moved to Washington proper and became the Washington Wizards.
1973: San Antonio stole the Spurs from Dallas (Chaparrals).
1977: New Jersey stole the Nets from New York one year after the ABA/NBA merger.
1979: Salt Lake City (Utah) stole the Jazz from New Orleans.
1984: Los Angeles stole the Clippers from San Diego who stole them from Buffalo (Braves) in 1978.
or if football is more your thing, other "stolen" teams include:
1921: Chicago stole the Bears from Decatur (Staleys).
1934: Detroit stole the Lions from Portsmouth (Ohio Spartans).
1937: Washington stole the Redskins from Boston.
1984: Indianapolis stole the Colts from Baltimore.
1988: Phoenix (actually Tempe, then later Glendale) stole the Cardinals from St. Louis who stole them from Chicago in 1960.
1995: St. Louis stole the Rams from Los Angeles who stole them from Cleveland in 1946.
1995: Oakland stole the Raiders from Los Angeles who stole them from Oakland in 1982.
1996: Baltimore stole the Ravens from Cleveland (Browns).
1998: Nashville stole the Titans from Memphis whole stole them from Houston (Oilers) in 1997.
or is baseball more up your alley, other "thefts" include:
1903: New York stole the Yankees from Baltimore (Orioles).
1954: Baltimore stole the Orioles from St. Louis (Browns) who stole them from Milwaukee (Brewers) in 1902.
1958: Los Angeles stole the Dodgers from Brooklyn.
1958: San Francisco stole the Giants from New York.
1961: Twin Cities area stole the Twins from Washington (Senators).
1966: Atlanta stole the Braves from Milwaukee who stole them from Boston in 1953.
1968: Oakland stole the Athletics from Kansas City who stole them from Philadelphia in 1955.
1970: Milwaukee stole the Brewers from Seattle (Pilots).
1972: Arlington, TX stole the Rangers from Washington (2nd expansion Senators)
2005: Washington D.C. stole the Nationals from Montreal (Expos).
Teams switch cities. That is a fact of the business and has been for a century. Clay Bennet is not the first, nor will he be the last.
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ROGER, MOORE - Jul 4, 2008 9:48 PM"...I guess thats all dependent, Roger, on what day you would ask some upstanding businessman like, lets say, Clay, who states there's no impact one day and then raves about how much there is the next..you do recall him stating both sides, correct? Or, in this case, are you going to agree with the city and not refute their numbers like you did the tax numbers? I'm just curious....
Does it hurt that the dumb redneck snookered you out of your team?
A world class city with an inept govt. Shine Seattle. SHINE!!!!!
We know how to deal with windbags.
It wasn't just monetary the price Bennett and his comrades paid, that have them being rightfully villified from Seattle to New York for their lack of integrity in regards to there obvious 'not-so-hidden ' agenda; and by extension so have the other fine folks of Oklahoma.
Clay Bennett was transparent from day one; everyone knew from day one that he and his pack of lying hyenas had no intention of keeping basketball in Seattle. From his first press conference - to his last he has been dishonest. It's a shame that the entire state of Oklahoma is now being linked with these kinds of morals. Southern hospitality, integrity and graciousness must be reserved to those south of Oklahoma, because even up hear in the far reaches of the Northwest a man's word means a lot. Obviously not the case in Oklahoma. Even the Dallas Mavericks owner, from the great state of Texas was the only owner not swayed by Clay's buddy David Stern, and voted to have the Sonics stay in their rightful place. By the way why did David Stern not have to testify?
Our politicians were skeptical of Clay's efforts from the beginning, and made working with him almost impossible. He demanded a half billion dollar building be built for him, the most expensive basketball arena in the USA, but was unwilling to contribute to the cause. Very noble of him; would have gone a long way to show his sincere commitment to the region if he had.
Seattle is very progressive, but things don't get done overnight. It took some time but we built a brand new baseball stadium, one of the finest, at a very high price tag - but it was a joint public & private partnership. Seattle built a tremendous football stadium, state of the art, but yet it too was a private -public subsidized venture. When the Sonics wanted to completely remodel / rebuild Key Arena 12 years ago it got done and was also a private - public partnership. These buildings were all built with public and private monies - where as Clay Bennett would not offer any contribution to the cause to get the ball rolling.
Seattle will get a new basketball arena with Ballmer's future ownership group coming forward and offering to pay half the cost of the building, Bennett never offered to pay a dime because he never wanted to keep the team in Seattle as the emails so aptly point out.
The Oklahoma hero whose lies and deceiving must make you all very proud.
Lets put it this way, in straight talk - which might be foreign to Oklahoman's alike, Seattle is still paying off the new Qwest Stadium, Safeco Field, and the newly remodeled Key Arena (144 months old); it would be like a home owner having not one, but three mortgages at the same time, and then be asked to tear down one of those homes and rebuild it again, at an even far greater cost; and then given a small window to accomplish this feat. We have a proven record of getting projects like this done – but his timetable was unrealistic – and his motives transparent and insincere. Hard to work with someone when you don’t believe a word out of his mouth.
David Stern spoke highly of Key Arena upon his first visit in 1995, but then deemed it unsuitable for his product less than 10 years later. 10 years is all a Arena gets these days. How long will the Ford Center be good in the eyes of Stern & Bennett.
Now Key Arena is not the Taj Majal but it is no dump; but unless you are a wealthy luxury box owner it is a fabulous place to watch basketball, intimate with great sight lines. It is a terrific basketball arena - but it is NOT a large shopping mall with 100 high priced luxury suites, & 75 restaurants, that is demanded these days. Its a basketball arena - home of the Seattle Sonics for a better part of 41 years.
Now a days we have congressional inquiries and trials into whether a player uses steroids or not; and then there are ongoing trials into the ensuing perjury that occurred from those events. Should Clay Bennett not be held to the same standards? The senate inquired on behalf of the people, against players cheating; should they not do the same when a owner steals a 41 year old franchise from a community and then perjures himself repeatedly on the stand.
The community of Seattle has 'always' supported this team. Even when Clay Bennett stripped it of all its marquee players, and traded away any player that could make them competitive - Seattle fans still showed up in the stands. Would Oklahoma show up at Oklahoma football games and support a man who was trying to take that football program to - say Montana? Well -Seattle did. Even when Clay Bennett managed to put the worst product Seattle has ever seen in its 41-year history - they did not play in front of 7,000 fans. Though he tried in vain, he never could completely disengage the Seattle Sonic fan base; while getting rid of all fan favorites, even coaches with long ties to Seattle basketball and the community - just the opposite thing you would do if you were trying to build fan support for a new arena.
Seattle will get another franchise - but we won't rip one out of somebody else's community. We have had polls in Seattle - and overwhelmingly people voted up here that we would not want to be granted a team if it meant stealing one, and all its history from another city. I guess you can say that is where people from Oklahoma and Seattle differ - its called morals; look it up in the dictionary if you don't understand what it truly means.
Though you successfully stole our team - you cannot buy a team's history - it is not something you purchase - it is something you live; something that is woven into the community, into the people that shared the fond memories - not purchased. Make your own history and then rightfully celebrate it. Don't make mock NBA Championship trophies and banners that have absolutely no meaning to you. Remember a NBA team does not make you a big city, any more than Los Angeles losing the Rams made them a small city. Oklahoma will still be Oklahoma – with just another entertainment value available.
I was in Oklahoma for the first time a week ago, and met many nice people when I was there; and came away with the feeling they were happy to get a team but they did not agree with how they were getting one. From what I saw of the area - I have no idea how Oklahoma plans on supporting an NBA team - past the 3-5 year novelty phase, at which point your hero will be asking for a new arena to be able to compete - even though Ford Center looked adequate.
Most of you from Oklahoma know an injustice was done - and for you to stand for this injustice and not voice your opinion - makes you no better then Clay Bennett. For any of you to consider him a hero - only shows your lack of good values - for he has painted your state, your region with a brush of dishonesty, and unscrupulous behavior that will far outlive your short NBA lives.
The NBA agreed with Bennett's position, and voted to allow him to move the team to OKC.
Then in an announcement late yesterday the NBA issued a statement that if renovations were made to Seattle's Key Arena that it would be an acceptable venue, and Seattle would be eligible to get another team. WTF??? Clay Bennett has been disingenous at best, and the whole thing smells of collusion.
I grew up with this team. I remember sitting in my room, lights dimmed, listening to the games on my transistor radio when I was 11 years old. I've been a fan ever since. I'm not a happy camper today.
Any great ideas out there? (PLEASE don't say Barons!)
To the people of OKC:
Considering the fact that you've now become a " big league city " (oooo wow, whoopee!!) because you've now got a professional sports team of your own, I think that you should all be ashamed of the man who brought you your new team considering the fact that it's been proven through his emails to his business partners that he's a lying bastard who, I believe, committed perjury last week on the witness stand during the trial in Seattle.
I also suggest that you enjoy the play of the current players of the team that you're getting while you can because if they have ANY business sense at all, they will (especially budding superstar Kevin Durant) leave OKC as soon as their current contracts expire.
They would be absolutely stupid to choose to continue playing in the nations 46th largest market instead of a much larger market such as Chicago, New York, LA, or even............. Seattle (nations 13th largest market)?
My dream is that Clay Bennett's comment of " Boo Hoo " when asked what he thought about some of the current Sonics players not wishing to play in OKC will come back to haunt him a couple years from now by prized star player Kevin Durant mentioning publicly that that comment by Bennett weighed heavily on his mind when he decided to sign a new contract with a team in another city.
This is a VERY SAD DAY for me and once the shock has subsided (I'm guessing in a week or so), I'm sure it will be replaced early next Nov. by depression. The people that I REALLY feel sorry for in the near future are the personal secretaries of Clay Bennett and Howard Schultz since they are the ones that will get to sort through all the hate mail that both men will soon be receiving (and it's probably a pretty safe guess on my part that neither of them will ever see any of those letters)!!
I am consoling myself by keeping in mind the fact that Kevin Calabro, the play-by-play announcer of the Sonics for the last 22 years or so, will be showing great loyalty by NOT migrating to OKC. I'm very glad that, unlike the players, he is in control over whether or not he moves to OKC or stays in Seattle.
I feel for the current players who have to move against their will, and like I said, hope that they will sign with other teams as soon as they possibly can.
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Schultz will NOT drop his lawsuit
Former Sonics owner and Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz will not drop his lawsuit against Bennett as part of the settlement, said two sources familiar with the deal.
Schultz' suit alleges that Bennett broke a promise to try to keep the Sonics in Seattle.
Schultz wants a court to transfer the Sonics to local ownership.
At least SOS isnt here to tell us that there was no settlement.