I cannot believe employers are ignoring letters from the Social Security Administration! Years ago, when I was doing payroll, we replied within 5 working days. And, if an employee didn't have a legitimate SS card, they were terminated!

I wonder how long it would take to catch the wrong number and what would be the pupose of it. Sems if there was no such # the employer would find out as soon as a SS payment was sent and if it was a legitimate # the owner would be the one seeing the benefit, not the person that actually worked. Years ago a woman's car broke down and needed to rent a car while her's was bing repaired so I gave her a ride to Avis. While she was ooking at the car she was gong to rent I was helping fill out the paperwork. At that time SS and license #'s were the same. She was 33 and had neither. I yelled out to her asking her # and she made one up. 3 days later Avis called me since they couldn't get in touch with her and said she needed to bring the car back immediatly! By that time she already had a speedng ticket in Canadian county. A few weeks later she wrote from the Okla. County jail that she had been arrested or missing her court date and wnted me to go to a relative, pick up almost $500 and pay the fine in ElReno. Not only did she have a fine for speeding but one for no license and a charge to pay for the court looking for her. She was a grade school drop out that got pregnant in another state at 13. I tutored her so she could pass the driver's test then had to take her to another county for the test because the Patrol stations in Okla. City insisted she had to have her own insurance and the insurance companies insisted she must 1st have a license. I thought it was strange she could buy cars with no license or insurance. Irony is how angry she was when a drunk with no license or insurance ran into her.

I would probably be the last person to discriminate against anyone. My wife and I are white. We have taken nearly 40 foster children of all colors into our home. Our adopted daughter is black. My best friend growing up was a Mexican here illegally! With all that said; I am sick of our society catering to illegal aliens. I am sick of bi-lingual TV, hispanic radio stations, and most of all bi-lingual education. If they want schooling in Spanish, go back to Mexico! I am deplored by foreign language government forms and posters pasted all over the walls of public buildings. I did a short stint with DHS and was amazed at the amount of tax dollars doled out to non-citizens. I can only imagine what would happen to me if I were to steal or fraudulently obtain a social security number or counterfeit social security card. Correct me if I am wrong; I believe it would be a felony if I (a citizen of the United States) were to do this. Illegal immigration makes me sick. The people who knowingly employ illegal aliens should have their citizenship withdrawn. Yes, fire them all!

If the employee is working under a false SSAN, they have committed a fedral crime and should be punished ! < Identify Fraud >

OOPS! Pardon me, Deann! That would be Senator Inhofe! I know better than to do that!

Well, I actually do trust Inhofe....I believe he serves this state and nation well.__________ It would be wise if we listened to what Foy has to say ...the North American Union appears not to be a rumor ..... seems it may truly be simmering on the back burner. We don't want to ignore the implication on this and allow it to boil over and make a huge mess.... We need to get this stopped before it is in place..and also the Super Highway along the I-35 Corridor needs to be stopped. It seems prudent and important to write our congressmen...and soon ...and keep it up. This proposed and planned erosion of our national sovereignty needs to be checked and soon. "It will do no good to lock the barn door after the horse is already out of the barn"....or whatever that old saying is...

yes they should fire them all.

Stan, the Canadians have one of the most well trained and capable militaries on the planet. Having served along side a few of them, I wouldn't recommend such wording within earshot. You might not like their response. :(

Foy, it's good to hear he's on something worthwhile. I still don't trust him, though. His global warming conspiracy rants reek of big oil patsy puppeteering.

Paula, Yes there were lots of classless whites that were meth cooks back when they could buy the chemicals to cook it. But now since we have effectively taken the ingredients out of the hands of the cooks, the Mexicans are importing Meth on their backs from Mexico. I don't say this without knowing what I am talking about.

Maybe a good idea that would work on trade, immigration, etc would be to make Canada and Mexico a part of the USA. We provide for Canada's defense. Think of what they are saving by not having to have a gigantic defense budget. Since we are becoming Mexico's top employer why not take them in/over. To the reader who takes everything seriously this is just tongue and cheek, :).

Funny, I've known more lots more meth cookers/dealers/users who were Caucasian than Hispanic. Don't re-assign the issues of classless whites to the minorities, they have enough BS as it is.

The Methamphetamines that the illegal immigrants are bringing in are also causing our prisons to be overcrowded and ruining the lives of many Americans who get trapped in the downward spiral of destruction that this problem is causing.

YES ! every one working needs there name to match there SS# It's the AMERICAN way !!!!!!

Quite correct there James, however; Inhofe is a champion for not allowing the amnesty crowd to sway his vote, I have been in contact with him repeatedly on this issue all year long. He is for the returning of the illegals to their own country by enforcement of existing laws the illegals will leave on their own and the ones who don't will be an easier group to handle

Little is being done not because of the "free money". That's more of a pain to manage than it's worth. It goes into a condition almost unrecoverable. The costs of auditing and tracing become a burdon. It's about money and power from employers to our government leaders. People who are making millions off of the cheap labor have hands deep in congressional pockets. Any bills aimed at reform are killed or watered down becaus of that. They assume the public is stupid (to which we actually are because we fully eat the garbage they tell us). The leaders basically lie to you about why the bills die. They say "it was not fair to XXX", "this amendment needed to be reworded", or even purposly tack on an unrelated amendment they know will torpedo it (example: $500 million to an art museum). It's not about the face value. It's not about the big bad government getting free money. The culprits are the sociopaths WE elect to congress. Most of them have shady businesses built on the backs of illegal, underpaid employees, or took advantage of some law loophole, or are even flagrant with thier puppet behaviour (Inhofe!). Bottom line - millions of people will remain basically in slavery because of our failure to hold elected officials (basically our business leaders) accountable. Social support systems like hospitals, schools, roads, and police will continue to deteriorate due to the "legalized" slavery. What used to be a black and white legal/illegal differentiation will shortly transition to legal loophole, and eventually be formally recognized. Unless our checks and balances engage soon, America will be a burned out husk. I've seen it in Easter Europe, central America, and the middle east. Worse, we'll all be responsible for it because we allowed it.

Yes they should be required to fire them. If we are going to just let anybody come in to this country and work illegaly then we Americans should not have to pat taxes either. The SSN is the direct link to our tax system. If the SSN isn't correct then someone isn't paying their fair share of taxes. And the Illegal Immigrants use more city services and welfare, clog our prisons with their drug dealers, and make getting emergency service at a hospital a nightmare. We have hospitals going out of business because these illegals don't go to regular doctors and never pay the bills at the hospitals. This has gotten way out of hand and it is the Federal Government that is at fault. We were promised in the 1986 amnesty act that we would have secure borders and look what we have now. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans care about border enforcement because it grows the economy while they are in office, and all they want now is to be the first to make the 20 million legal so they can look good to the Hispanic community and garner their votes. It is a sad sad situation. If I was president I would make a 2 mile strip of land along the US/MEX border as a Military training ground with boming ranges and firing ranges. There would be no admittance from either Mexicans or Americans without military clearance. If anyone entered and got shot then it is their fault for entering the zone. Another reason thet the government isn't actively doing anything is because of the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership) that George Bush, Cretien from Canada, and Calderon is trying to slide in under the radar. They are already planning a super highway to run along the I-35 Corridor that will be 6 football fields wide and Mexican trucks will be allowed unfettered access from Laredo to Canada. They are also planning a major transportation hub in Kansas City to be controlled as Soveriegn Mexican territory. This will all be planned and implemented right under our noses without congressional approval. Then after it is finally out in public for scrutiny everyone including Congress will be saying it is too late to stop. Then the Illegals won't matter because they will have the North American Union and everyone will be equal. Then we better watch out and hold on to our guns tightly because that will be then next thing they try to take. I may sound like a nut telling you this but check out www.spp.gov and for mor information about the treaty that Bush signed in secret but denies go to www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/cip-pic/ips/ips-overview2-en.asp this is a outrage. Other information can be found at www.cfr.org about the 5 year plan for the implementation of the North American Union.

If you read my remarks in the topic about lawmakers being sued for the immigration enforcement laws you'll see why this is happening, and you'll see why the government doesn't care to do anything about it. If illegals are using someone else's SSN they are paying taxes. But they can't file a return because they don't have the proper documentation. So this is free money for the government. That's why you see little being done about immigration laws. Not all illegals are being paid cash under the table, obviously, or this wouldn't be an issue.

If my employer had my ssn wrong I would be very upset at the end of the year to find out they ignored the letters and did nothing about it. The letters should be followed up on and the ssn either fixed or the employee using the false number fired.

Yes. If after 3 months the problem should be cleared up or at the least the source of the mix up should be idnetified. If it cannot be cleared up then, SRID. (Something's Rotten in Denmark)

The employer has 3 months to investigate the SSN problem then fire them,so what's the big deal

Jackie, I think I'll take your advice. I found out recently there is a tag agency only 1 1/2 miles away that's never busy in Wheatland.

Floyd, I think your wife needs to try another tag agent to get her new driver's license. There's no reason for them to make her wait for renewal if she has her marriage license to show her new name. It should be the same for everything else. When my daughter got married she had no problems at all with driver's license, passport, insurance, credit cards, etc. As far as mail is concerned, she should still receive it, even with her former name, as long as the address is correct.

Sherry, That was the EASY part. Insurance and credit cards and mail and aquaintances etc. We got an unpublished home phone which helped a bunch. She has a cell phone which is different than my # I gave you. I don't mind people calling me by her last name and only correct them if there is a need for them to know. Some guys get all bent out of shape, especially show biz types when they are mentioned by their wife's last name. The female part of my brain doesn't understand men. SS insisted she change her last name to mine but the driver's license agency wants her to wait untill it is renewed then bring in the marriage license and probably something else when she gets there.

Floyd, it's not that painful to show your marriage license at the SS office and get your wife's name changed to yours.

NO! My wife and I got married when I was 64 and she was ?????? It is difficult procedure getting everything changed.

Not without investigation. In today's society, there are those whose marital status changes frequently. It is possible that there will be some who fail to update their Social Security records, but have no intent to deceive. _______________Even so, the mismatch should require investigation. It is all too possible that someone has stolen someone's identity. The newest identity theft involves health care...and can cost you your life if someone has used your insurance information and with their health history. In an emergency, their blood type could cause you to receive the wrong blood type in via transfusion. Just a small example of some very bad things that can result from this crime. This is a high dollar theft and is on the rise. Most doctor's offices do have your SS# on file...so it is all too easy for someone to have access to it.

Yes, but only if the mismatch was a result of fraud on the employee's part.

In most cases, if the social security number and name do not match, the person has commited identity theft. The person is trying to hide something, such as illegal alien or back child-support owed.

One the company should first check the personnel file and compare to the copy on record. Second should note is a recent marriage, divorce, and such has caused a name change. Then ask the employee to reconfirm the SSN# by bringing in their card to check with the records in the office and the number entered. If the employee is unable or unwilling to do so, then chances are he is not able to work in the US. If so let him go, otherwise the employee should be in contact with the SSA to clear up the records.

If there is a discrepancy with the employee's SS#, then I think that the employee should be given 10 business days to contact the nearest social security office and ask Social Security Officials to either fax or mail confirmation of a correct SS# to the employer- other wise- Bye Bye!

Is this real? If so, silly question!

There's no way they'd let a caucasian, blonde, female like me to get away with it so why should anyone else?

legitimate employers usually include "truth in advertising" agreements for new hires. These explicitly state the requirement as a condition of employment. The policies usually specify the difference between misrepresentation by intent and that of a typo. If someone is using a dead person's SSN with intent, they should be hit over the head with a stick just for being stupid. If an employer is knowingly allowing such a practice, they should be hit over the head twice - before the prison time.

I agree with Jan. Employers should investigate whey the numbers do not match. It could be a simple mistake. But if there isn't a reason, then wouldn't that be considered fruad? In that case, yes, fire them.

If there isn't a legitimate reason for a mismatch like simple error when writing it down (I've accidentally written my kids down for myself when putting it on paper) then absolutely they should be fired after the authorities are notified to come pick them up for questioning and investigation.