Should state pay for care of illegal immigrants?
Should state fund coverage for illegals?

By Jennifer Mock
Published: October 11, 2007

Illegal immigrant mothers would gain access to state and federally subsidized prenatal care in Oklahoma if an emergency rule change is approved today by the state Health Care Authority.

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The change, which would give undocumented immigrant women access to Medicaid for prenatal services, is needed to protect the health of babies who will be U.S. citizens once they are born, health officials say.

One lawmaker said Wednesday the rule change would be illegal if approved.

Lawmaker opposes rule
Federal law requires the state to pay for emergency labor and delivery services for women who are in the country illegally and, therefore, do not qualify for Medicaid.

Because children born in the United States are citizens, regardless of their parents' immigration status, health care officials say paying for prenatal care will help reduce medical costs likely covered by the state later in the child's life.

But Rep. Randy Terrill said allowing illegal immigrant mothers to receive some Medicaid benefits is against state and federal law.

"If this new welfare benefit is approved, it will cause more desperate women to illegally cross our borders under dangerous circumstances that will likely jeopardize the lives of their unborn children while diverting resources that should go to Oklahoma's poor citizens,” said Terrill, R-Moore.

Federal law allows state Medicaid programs to cover illegal immigrant mothers but only with prior approval from the Legislature, Terrill said.

Terrill — who was the author of legislation earlier this year that cut off most public benefits for illegal immigrants — said the rule change would be the opposite of what legislators intended when they passed the anti-illegal immigration bill into law.

"Like most pro-life lawmakers, I believe life begins at conception and a child in the womb should be treated as a human being. However, that is not the same thing as being a legal citizen of this state or nation,” he said. "All people deserve respect, but not all people qualify for taxpayer subsidies from the state of Oklahoma.”

‘Pro-life, pro-health'
In fiscal year 2006, the Health Care Authority paid more than $8.5 million for 2,778 babies delivered by illegal immigrant mothers, all of whom had no prior prenatal care. The rule change would not allow the mother to qualify for full Medicaid benefits, only those dealing with prenatal care.

The Health Care Authority is set to vote on the rule change at its meeting today in Ada. The budget impact is estimated at $1.2 million in state funds and $2.8 million in federal money.

Sen. Tom Adelson said if the rule is not changed, the lives of children are at risk.

"Anyone who professes to embrace a culture of life would not turn their back on 2,800 innocent children born each year in Oklahoma,” said Adelson, D-Tulsa. "It is morally reprehensible to deny prenatal care to innocent unborn children, who through no fault of their own, have no access to prenatal care.”

Marilyn Seiler, the Faith Community Nursing Resource Center manager for Catholic Charities, said the state has a duty to care for all babies, regardless of their parents' citizenship status.

"This gives us an opportunity to take care of our citizens,” she said.

Gov. Brad Henry said if the rule change is approved, he will sign it to make it effective immediately. The Health Care Authority will then have to file the change as a permanent rule when the Legislature returns next year for approval by both the state House and Senate.

"The governor views this as a pro-life, pro-health issue,” said Paul Sund, Henry's spokesman. "By providing prenatal care, we can encourage an expectant mother to carry her baby to term and ensure that the child, a U.S. and Oklahoma citizen, gets a healthy start on life.”


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Maybe this would be a good time to enforce the new immigration legislation the Legislature is trying to pass. I agree with passing laws that send illegals back where they came from but I don't understand how we can make a law sending them back to their home country and also sign off on paying for other illegal's health care. I say snag'em at the hospital and send'em home from there. Sounds like a good place to start!
David, oklahoma city - Oct 21, 2007 7:25 PM
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Come on, if a woman and or man admits shes an illegal, maybe I'm not thinking right but doesn't that mean, they shouldn't be here. Seems to me that would be a good time to send them back to their home where they are legal. Sounds mean???? Maybe!!! I'm about fed up with our government feeling sorry for everyone who comes here and we have to pay for it, I say lets take care of our own, before we take care of people who come here to get a free hand out. Enough is Enough. Send them home.
Judy, Noble - Oct 13, 2007 2:09 PM
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No I do not think it should pass.I don't think that someone who is breaking the law, by not coming into it legally. they have not paid in like the others have done .paid taxes , shy should they get it.
betty, oklahoma city - Oct 13, 2007 10:46 AM
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Larry, I would bet the farm that Brad Henry will run for the US Senate after his term of governor is up. So we CAN still vote him out. Can you imagine what he would vote for in Washington?
Jackie, moore - Oct 12, 2007 11:34 AM
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For crying out loud compared to the Health Care Authority and the Governors action - Gene Stipe is just an annoyance and I'm a Republican!
Robert, Oklahoma City - Oct 12, 2007 9:00 AM
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"This gives us an opportunity to take care of our citizens”? A more asinine PC statement would be difficult to find. Clearly, another example of how liberal socialists are the most generous people in the World - with other people's money. Instead of FREE out of pocket assistance I suppose the concept of a low interest loan would make too much sense. The cancer of PC liberalism has now officially become terminal in Oklahoma. I suggest all Oklahomans demand that their representatives reverse this coarse of action PDQ or else we will elect some who will.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Oct 12, 2007 8:51 AM
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989675-4,00.html
Rufus, spencer - Oct 12, 2007 8:44 AM
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I do not understand the reasoning behind this, at all.
The state health department is over stepping the bounds. They should not be allowed to reward those who so opening break the laws of this country. It is against the law to come into this country illegally.
And I for one opose this act, for the simple fact that we do not provide dental care for our own children in this state, but they propose to provide it to those who are here illegally, this just shows how far left some people will go. What oklahoma needs is a dental program for all children, who are fortunate enough to not be below poverty level, but who also happen to have parents that are working class, and cannot afford dental premiums that are outragous and dentists who want several hundred dollars up front. If the health department wants to spend money then they need to think real hard about who pays the **** taxes in this state!!!!!
amy, duncan - Oct 12, 2007 8:22 AM
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Children born by illegals immigrants SHOULDN'T be citizens. That is a crappy rule. They're just the kids of criminals. We shouldn't have to pay to care for them. If this is passed, Oklahoma will be a sitting duck for fraud. Immigrants will move here when pregnant, and they're all trying hard to get pregnant. Their goal - take over the population. That's right. They feel the southwestern part of America is Mexico's and they want it back.
J M, Oklahoma City - Oct 12, 2007 7:04 AM
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Since he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected, he can pretty much do as he wants, no matter what the people who he is supposed to be representing say.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 11:46 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Gov. Henry is prohibited by term limits to run again, so we can't "vote him out"
Larry, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 11:45 PM
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My fellow Oklahomans, who voted our esteemed governor in office for the second time? He's a trial attorney in cahoots with the medical society. Instead of complaining about what he's doing (or his cronies) vote the bugger out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what he's about. One of the posts had it right, this ruling came out as a poke in the eye of the immigration law that was passed earlier.
I'll call those seven people of the OHA ,THE OHA SEVEN, has a nice ring does it not? This is about power and who can apply it. The medical club in this state has godly tenancies. They think they can rule us by how we eat, our health care, and how we live. Everyone associated with this society wants everyone to live in a utopian world at our cost. I think it's about time my fellow Oklahoman's got off their butts and make it to the voting booths. It's our responsibilty to govern our elected officials. We've gotten lazy and it's going to cost us our freedoms to choose.
Sherry, Reydon - Oct 11, 2007 9:48 PM
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Lets join together and do this the next time any of us go to a hospital for any reason. We are all now illegal immigrants. Be sure to NOT take your wallets or any kind of ID whatsoever. Even if you have insurance, do NOT take that card to the hospital with you. Lets see how long the system can take the strain of everyone not paying their hospital bills. I am serious, if I go to any hospital in the near future, my new name is Juan Migel Ortega. I mean it!
John, Stigler - Oct 11, 2007 7:50 PM
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Don’t you just love politicians? They are taking away our civil liberties, our rights and don’t listen to us, the people, and we keep re-electing them to office. Only in America.
TMan., Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 7:34 PM
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Good point Teresa. If they are Illegal, they won't have a VALID SS number or DL. So what happens if they don't pay a bill. How can you sue someone who isn't really here?
Allison, Noble - Oct 11, 2007 7:25 PM
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A few people have said "How can you deny someone prenatal care?" No one is denying them health care. We just don't think that we (the taxpayers) should pay for it. If someone goes to the ER, they have to help that person. But why does that person suddenly get out of the hospital bill if they are illegal? I have to pay my hospital bills.
Teresa, oklahoma city - Oct 11, 2007 4:32 PM
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Michael, McAlester- Apply to for SSI a few more times. Apparently, the 3rd time is the charm.
J, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 4:08 PM
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To hear the Pro-Illegals tell it, Americans are lazy bums who never work, thus the need for illegals to come do it for us. All bull, all americans should be offended, I've worked my whole life, do my own lawn care (and my elderly mothers also).. Where do they get off telling hard working americans all this crap??
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 2:36 PM
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How did we ever survive before without these ILLEGAL ALIENS.....
Herron, Blanchard - Oct 11, 2007 1:50 PM
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How many people who are in the country illegally work in the food processing plants that supply our Wal-Marts, as well as others, with the food we put on our tables? What about the nice, sit-down restaurants we frequent? How many work in modern-day "sweat shops" (maybe not so much in Oklahoma, but check it out in other states), providing goods that say "Made in USA? I do not think any one of us can say that there is NOTHING in our home or auto that was obtained at a lesser price due to "illegal" labor. Because of the sicknesses caused by contaminated foods, there are supposedly methods being put into place by which the foods can be traced back to their origins. Maybe we should be able to trace ALL our goods back to the origin, and question how many of the laborers are actually in the country illegally. By the way, Jackie, in Moore, although I don't totally agree with you, I should have gone to bed about ten minutes earlier. Please accept my sincere apology.
whyno, no - Oct 11, 2007 12:39 PM
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COME ON OKLAHOMA!!!!HAVE WE TOTALLY LOST IT?WE HAVE LEGAL LITTLE CHILDREN HERE THAT CAN'T EVEN AFFORD HEALTH CARE YET WE WILL GIVE ILLEGALS FREE SERVICE.I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW WE AS OKLAHOMAN'S INTEND TO VOTE ALL OF THESE SPINLESS PEOPLE OUT OF OFFICE COME ELECTION TIME. IT IS TIME WE STOOD UP FOR OUR COUNTRY.
maggie - Oct 11, 2007 12:13 PM
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Should also send emails to the Oklahoma Health Care Authority (not that those incompetent Tax drains would even read them)...
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 12:09 PM
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Everyone in this post should send a message to Gov Henry! This is just wrong!
Pam, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 11:54 AM
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Also, I agree with Kevin, charity should begin at HOME. How are we going to take care of outsiders when there are insiders that NEED help and CANNOT get it... I pay for insurance so they need to do the SAME!!!!
Denise, Oklahoma - Oct 11, 2007 11:47 AM
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No, it is not fair that immigrants get to come here and have babies and WE have to pay for it. Send them back to their contry. There are people, US citizens, right here in the state that need help and cant get it so why should we give help to an immigrant? Its not fair that we pay for them to have a child and then we may end up taking care of it through DHS system. I am a single parent and I have it hard enough to take care of my 1 child, so send them back to where they came from to have their babies and if they want to come back here, then they need to do it the right way....Illegal immigrant should answer this for everyone....
Denise, Oklahoma - Oct 11, 2007 11:45 AM
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Why should the government pay for anyone's prenatal care? They don't pay for my family's. That is my responsibility. They don't buy my food. That's my responsbility. I budget and save to make sure my responsbilities are taken care of. Too many people spend and spend, buy cell phones, new cars, big TVs, expensive clothes, cable/sat TV, but then expect the taxpayers to pay for healthcare, education and food. These are the things I forgo to ensure my family is taken care of. Illegal or not, pay for your own obligations.
Talacker, Norman - Oct 11, 2007 11:44 AM
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David in Norman. I think Jesus would tell the illegals that if they wanted to go to heaven they would need to stop breaking the law.
LARRY - Oct 11, 2007 11:35 AM
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In the column, it states "illegal immigrant". That says it all. If they are illegally here, why should illegal immigrants receive any benefits at the taxpayers expense. Case in point. I am a born in Oklahoma, U.S. citizen, now 58 years of age, have worked since the age of 14 & now am unable to work due to my health. I recently applied for social security disability & after 3 months of paperwork, a 10 minute meeting with a doctor who asked a few questions, tapped me with the reflex hammer; then I receive a notice of denial letter. I've paid in to SS since 1965. I've worked all my life, unfortunately have had 3 lower back injuries, 2 neck operations & am now consumed by arthritis, depression, sleep deprivation, & pain. I have no family left above ground & live alone. Now, since I did the initial SSD paper work myself & received the denial, a few friends say "get an attorney"! Why should it take an attorney to get the benefits I'm to which I'm entitled without an attorney who obviously would gladly take the case just for the money. So, in summary, tell illegal immigrants to get an attorney if they want any benefits which they aren't entitled to receive just because they are here.
MICHAEL, McAlester - Oct 11, 2007 11:19 AM
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Why not send them home to have there children. If they must have there children in Oklahoma, I do not want my tax money paying for it or the raising of the child!
LARRY - Oct 11, 2007 11:13 AM
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An illegal alien can cross the border, have a baby five minutes later, and that baby is automatically declared a citizen of the U.S.A. Automatically! Then they are eligible for welfare legally!!!
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 10:34 AM
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You give them everything free and that is just going to encourage them more to sneak into our country illegally. Why should they get free health care if my family is struggling to pay the premiums and others costs of our healthcare? We have to pay, so should they.
Cindy, Midwest City - Oct 11, 2007 10:31 AM
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I am tired of paying for everyone else.
katy, mustang - Oct 11, 2007 10:26 AM
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Charity begins at home. AFTER my family is provided with 'free' healthcare, THEN take care of others...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 10:26 AM
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Mexico doesn't want the illegals coming home because they will have to spend their tax dollars taking care of them instead of us spending OURS.. That's why they protest the FENCE as being a bad idea..
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 10:09 AM
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This is an excerpt out of the Tulsa world: "The Health Care Authority estimates that the proposed prenatal care would cost $3 million. Of that, Oklahoma taxpayers would pay about $1.2 million. The state would bill the federal government for the remaining $1.8 million". Now they keep saying this is free healthcare but it is only free for the illegals. You and I the taxpayers are footing the entire bill. They broke it down like we are only paying for the state part (which is still too much), but then the federal kicks in the rest. Where exactly do they think the federal money comes from? That's right, the taxpayer.
Brian, Shawnee - Oct 11, 2007 10:00 AM
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My son works as an Electrician in Construction. He told me the Illegals are vacating by the thousands, so the 1804 is already working and hasn't even taken effect yet. Let's not offer Illegal's a thing, Oklahoma should be an INHOSPITABLE state to all Illegals...
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 9:59 AM
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NO, NO, NO, Our System is stressed enough without putting them on it... WE the people complain and complain about how a lack of money gets to the people that need it and the goverment complains. Now someone has to even ask that we put Illegal's on it...
Ollie, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 9:59 AM
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I wonder what type of FREE medical care they recieve across the border!!!! Send them home to find out.
Herron, Blanchard - Oct 11, 2007 9:48 AM
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Brad Henry's contact address http://www.gov.ok.gov/contact.php, pass it around on this issue.
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 9:42 AM
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Not no but--HELL NO---no illeagle should get any benefit. Purchase them and their child a ticket on the Grayhound bus back to the border and show them the door.
randy, norman - Oct 11, 2007 9:38 AM
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Yes one way ticket to the closest border!! end of story
Larry, HEck - Oct 11, 2007 9:38 AM
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Absolutely!!!!! I do all of my own work and definitely would be willing to pay a higher price for something if it meant that a hard working legal citizen, no matter what ethnicity, would benefit from it instead of a criminal alien. This crap about them doing jobs that Americans will not do is wrong. Americans would be willing to do those jobs, just not at those wages because we cannot afford to since we don't live 30 to a household.
Brian, Shawnee - Oct 11, 2007 9:32 AM
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Brian, Shawnee - Oct 11, 2007 9:29 AM
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Russia had it right many years ago when they said "America will fold from within" our politicians seem to be working real hard to accomplish this.
Lisa, Edmond - Oct 11, 2007 9:29 AM
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AMEN!!! I have worked my whole life paying TAXES as a CITIZEN born in the USA. Nothing has ever been given to me. I also mow my own lawn and do my own laundry, as most American citizens do. Never employed one and never will.
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 9:27 AM
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Mark, I am not a hypocrit! I do not employ illegals! And I am not sure if I derive any benefits from illegals. I mow my own lawn, I make my own lunch, I pay my own taxes. I am sure, however, that if the illegals were gone, other Oklahomans would benefit from my tax dollars that were NOT spent on illegals!!!
Pam, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 9:20 AM
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NO. Buy the women one way tickets back to their home countries.
Margaret, Holdenville - Oct 11, 2007 9:20 AM
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Here's Brad's Contacts by email and telephone..Pass it around to everyone you know and flood his office with protests over this crap..http://www.gov.ok.gov/contact.php
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 9:11 AM
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Oh good Lord! When will it stop? How many times did the word "illegal" appear in this article? What message are we sending to our children? "Just break the law, and the government will take care of you and feel sorry for you and enable you to continue to break the law!" This is absurd! Why should I have to pay for anyone's prenatal care much less someone who is here illegally? This article says "health care officials say paying for prenatal care will help reduce medical costs likely covered by the state later in the child's life" let's just save that money by sending them home....NOW!!!!!
Pam, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 9:05 AM
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The point of my post is simple. We should not glean the benefits of illegal immigration, but refuse to accept any responsibility for those who provide us with those benefits. If are one of those who advocates to "send them all back to Mexico," then as a basic moral principle I would suggest that you also make a personal choice to give up all the benefits derived from illegal labor. That means not employing illegals, not doing business with those who do, agreeing to pay the higher prices that come with the elimination of illegal labor, and agreeing that you will not accept money from illegals at your own place of business. Anybody doing that, or is there a whiff of hypocracy in the air?
Mark, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 9:00 AM
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Please, stop the nonsense....No we should not give them health care. I am a hard working 43 yoa female, work 10-12 hours daily and also, I am diabetic..have no health care....and my state does not care. And I am told I make just a bit to much to get state help. Let's get real, take care of us that work and actually pay taxes.
Demetri - Oct 11, 2007 8:59 AM
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It so obvious the politicans have little knowledge of the English language.NO means No! Vote the bastards out!!!
Jerry L., Guthrie - Oct 11, 2007 8:59 AM
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NO-NO-NO-NO How many times do we have to say NO?????
Wanda, Cordell - Oct 11, 2007 8:52 AM
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NO NO NO, I work everyday 8 to 10 hours; and can not afford insurance, and seem to make just enough to keep from getting state help. Why would you possibly think I want my tax dollars to go help illegals when as a full fledge tax paying citzen I can not get help. STOP being stupid and using our money to help them. Send them home. Start thinking about how to help us as United States Citizens. Working Oklahoman, Lindsay, OK
Demetri - Oct 11, 2007 8:51 AM
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Babies grown up to be adults. Stop them at the beginning and send them home to be born.
AngelGirl, Ninnekah - Oct 11, 2007 8:32 AM
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Good grief....Hell no!! They are here illegally. Why in the world should we pay for their healthcare? It is B.S. Send their a** back to where they came from, which I am assuming is Mexico. Most think they own the city and streets, therefore they can do what they want on them. Look at what all these Mexicans have - By God, they may not all live in the best neighborhoods but they have nice cars (Escalades, Lincolns, Cadillacs, Avalanches - all fixed up). They have the money to be paying for health care. They can get it on their own. We shouldn't have to pay for them. (Let it be known that I am not bashing Mexicans because I am one but I was born here). Send them back to where they belong.
Angela, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 8:05 AM
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What a mess. What's the point of having laws if they're not going to be followed? Give free health care to people who are here illegally, and tax those here legally into the ground. It figures. Brad Henry believes in this? And I voted for him - I guess I am a moron.
And this crap about native americans being here first? I won't be held responsible for what our ancestors did and I won't listen to this nonsense that none of us are here legally. Get over it!
Ken, Midwest City - Oct 11, 2007 8:03 AM
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Let's ship any illegal home the second they are discovered. Apply for medicaid? how can they do that without being deported? These are just Anchor Babies..
Rufus, spencer - Oct 11, 2007 8:01 AM
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Jason in Edmond...Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesars and render unto God what is Gods. God's nature is to show mercy. What would Jesus do? Well lets see, he spent much of his time with tax collectors and prostitutes..the outcasts of society. It seems to me the outcasts today are illegal immigrants. I can't see Jesus denying women prenatal care. Is that what you think he would really do?
David, Norman - Oct 11, 2007 7:57 AM
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Go Cletus Go Cleuts ! Its yore birfday ! Its yore birfday !Its yore birfday !
mister, bogata - Oct 11, 2007 6:54 AM
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No, not while there are _Citizens_ in need of assistance.
Doug, Midwest City - Oct 11, 2007 6:38 AM
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Our government makes it so hard for Americans to get help when needed but we are considering this. You don't take care of our own.
Kenya, Durant - Oct 11, 2007 6:19 AM
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This country is going down the craphole fast anyway, and you republican bible thumpers have helped pave the way for it to do so...you're arguing about illegals while an illegal alien is in Houston that raped and killed two teenagers that will probably get off and not be put to death because of Mexico interfering. The priorities of this nation are so messed up its beyond repair. Thanks for voting for Bush in 2000 and 2004, the damage done is on YOUR souls.
Cletus, Mayberry - Oct 11, 2007 3:47 AM
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Since the unborn babies aren't American citizens yet the answer is fairly simple, deport the expectant ILLEGAL mother back to her country of origin before she gives birth. Problem solved.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 2:19 AM
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Do we give pedophiles small children to keep them occupied and do we give killers access to weapons? NO, those are crimes just as being undocumented in this country is. Don't reward criminal behavior with ANYTHING! I also think that just because a child is born in the US they should have automatic citizenship. What if one of Osama Bin Ladens "wives" managed to make it into the country to give birth. Could you imagine having a potential presidential candidate of that lineage? The only thing the constitution says is that they have to be natural born citizens and the illegal aliens are giving birth to those left and right. If they want to be here whatever but don't give them any benefits, any assistance or any employment if they do not take the legal steps to become documented and legal. And don't let them pull that crap where they just get "work" visas and send all their money home to their home lands.. make them become citizens if they truly want to stay here. It may cost them a little and take some time but if they want to profit from the economic structure of America then they should also contribute to it and not just live in a one room, 300 buck a month motel room with 22 other illegals so that they can send all of their money back out of our country.
Jan, Norman - Oct 11, 2007 1:06 AM
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How is making it possible for people to come here and work legally rewarding illegal behavior, Earl?
whyno, no - Oct 11, 2007 1:03 AM
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No No NO!!! Rewarding illegal behavior is wrong no matter how you slice it. It only guarantees more of the same.
Earl, Oklahoma City - Oct 11, 2007 12:53 AM
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Jackie - the land was occupied. Just in a different way. The people of that time were nomadic and used the land seasonally, as it served their purpose. Perhaps your mother should have thought about birth control, because thinking such as yours is dangerous - possibly why this country is not so great anymore.
whyno, no - Oct 11, 2007 12:31 AM
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You're right, Mark. Those who benefit most from this cheap labor (and misuse of our fellow humans) need to take a hit. But how do you regulate the cost of labor when the laborers are here illegally to begin with? And why is it so difficult to become legal? Do they want to become legal? (I honestly don't know - I'm asking.) If someone wants to come here from Mexico and become a legal member of our workforce, it should be allowed with as little difficulty to that person, and their family, as possible. Some of you would say that would just make it easier for outlaws to get through. They're having it easy enough now.
whyno, no - Oct 11, 2007 12:19 AM
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Have these women ever thought about birth control? And here is a thought....if they are ILLEGAL, let's send them back to wherever they came from when they show up for this FREE medical care. And get over telling us how this country was started by immigrants. It was, but now we are citizens of this great country. There is not one person alive today that stole land from the Indians or owned slaves. I am really tired of being blamed for it. I had nothing to do with it, nor did my parents or grandparents. If the ILLEGALS don't like their country, let them find land that is not occupied and settle it. You know, like those immigrants did so many years ago when they came here.
Jackie, moore - Oct 11, 2007 12:16 AM
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It's ok..Bush takes better care of illegal immigrants than he does our soldiers fighting his war in Iraq. And you Okies voted for him.
Cletus, Mayberry - Oct 10, 2007 11:59 PM
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OK, let me get this straight. If you're one of our fine big-bellied Republican bidniss boys, you'll take that cheap illegal labor--all the way to the bank. If you're a consumer, you'll take the cheap prices that come from all that cheap illegal labor--all the way to the bank. You'll take the black market lawn man, house keeper, nanny, maintenance man and construction worker. After all, its a bargain! And, you'll accept their cash at your place of business--no questions asked. But, if there's a sick baby--well, then they are freeloaders and criminals and us good righteous Christian folks just couldn't see parting with our hard earned dollars to help that illegal sick baby! Send that baby back to Mexico--if he dies its not our problem. The bank is closed! Now I know why Jesus wept.
Mark, Oklahoma City - Oct 10, 2007 11:58 PM
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OK. A woman is here illegally. When the state is asked to provide for her care, that is usually when the illegal status is discovered. Why not just ship the illegal back home at that time? Better yet, Mexico is becoming a rich country - that is true. Why not do the humanitarian thing here and take care of the mother and the infant, then send Mexico (or wherever) the bill? If I get pregnant and cross the border to Mexico, are they going to provide me with prenatal care? Or, if I drink their crappy water and get the touristas, am I going to be provided medical care? We are humanitarianism-ing ourselves further into bankruptcy while the rest of the world sits back and laughs at us.
whyno, no - Oct 10, 2007 11:50 PM
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I can't blame Randy Terrill for race baiting. God knows this is America the land of the immigrants annihilating the Native Americans. God knows that Oklahoma is Indian Territory, the place where the white man sent Indians when we stole their land. People, there is this thing called the American Dream. There isn't something called the Mexican dream. There isn't something called the Costa Rican dream. There isn't the Colombian dream. I know we've all seen the videos of the brave Minute Men down on the border. I know we've seen how they've bravely defended America from the onslaught of pregnant Mexican women who are making a beeline to Oklahoma to get prenatal care. I suggest that Randy Terrill go down to the border and start defending America from these good for nothing pregnant Mexicans. I blame them for everything wrong in America. We must stop them now or risk the thought of them traveling to Oklahoma or maybe even Canada for prenatal care. I blame Canada for this mess. If Canada wasn't so far north, then maybe all those Mexicans might want to learn Oh Canada rather than the Star Spangled Banner.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Oct 10, 2007 11:20 PM
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Samuel, Ada....you are certainly entitled to your opinion, however this is not a racial issue. It doesnt matter to me where the illegal is from (even tho most do come from Latin America, and most of those come from Mexico. Come here legally and you are welcome to enjoy all of the benefits that you are entitled to. If you are here illegalyy go back to your country of origin (where ever that is).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Oct 10, 2007 11:15 PM
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Randy Terrill is the best local politician the state of Oklahoma has. He should run for governor.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 10, 2007 10:16 PM
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I pay over $500 a month for my health care. I am disabled with a chronic lung condition, (not smoking related). I can barely cover my drug cost for the month even with a copay we pay well over $300 for medications, not to mention the $800 a month for oxygen therapy. I am also under the age of 50 and have children that have forgone a lot of extrcurricular activties at school because even with my health condition we are considered above the level to qualify for assistance. Where is my help??? Oh I forgot, the money goes to the illegal pregnat women first..I am not illegal or pregnant, I don't qualify.
Let's keep our money for Americn's needs and here is a novel idea...THEY CAN STAY IN MEXICO AND HAVE THEIR CHILDREN THERE!! The law regarding their children being American citizens if born here needs to be abolished...NOW!!
K, Oklahoma City - Oct 10, 2007 8:20 PM
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Samuel, Ada=idiot
MartzMimic, Oklahoma City - Oct 10, 2007 7:56 PM
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american, anywhere - Oct 10, 2007 6:50 PM
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Part of me feels sorry for the illegals that are forced to come to the U.S. for work and work hard. The other part of me is angry. We have legal citizens that need help. There are many that work hard at places that do not provide insurance. The legal citizens need the help first. Even those women that have no prenal have a better chance here than Mexico. That is an oil rich country why don't they help their people.
american, anywhere - Oct 10, 2007 6:50 PM
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We need to close Our Country's borders NOW and stop this BS.
Walt, Houston - Oct 10, 2007 6:40 PM
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Kudos to you Rep Randy Terrill....when is enough, enough?...Why give them another reason to come here?

PS...I want free medical too
valerie, cordell - Oct 10, 2007 5:21 PM
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This bill is frustrating to me as a tax paying Oklahoman. If they are illegal immigrants, then I don't think my tax dollars should go towards care that many Oklahomans can't afford as it is!
Danielle , Moore - Oct 10, 2007 4:40 PM
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Rep. Randy Terrill=Racist, Conservative=Racist. How can you be against prenatal care for anybody?
Samuel, Flint - Oct 10, 2007 4:13 PM
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If Medicaid does not recognize them as future citizens why should the State of Oklahoma!! Stop giving my tax dollars away!! Besides if an illegal immigrant is here while pregnant how does the State of Oklahoma know they will remain here to give birth. They could be deported or just go back home!! You are not here to foresee the future; take care of our tax dollars!!
A., Kingfisher - Oct 10, 2007 4:07 PM
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The law is a sham. The Federal Government breaks the law when it doesn't enforce the law. Local and State Governments are too cowardly to stand up to the Feds or to beholden to the Federal Government. Here's the message: "It is technically illegal for you to come to America ( wink, wink) but if you dont get caught in the act you are welcome here and you can have priviledges. If the Government isnt going to enforce the law then have the guts to just legalize all border jumping. Where are the Thomas Paines and George Washingtons? They sure the heck are not in the Federal Government. And our Department of Justice? They are totally beholden to the politicians and not the people. The U.S. Attorney in Oklahoma City is a good "team player" and will not enforce laws that are unpopular with the administration. He, like others in such office, should take a personal loyalty oath to the president and his policies. That is who he serves. These guys will not be treated well by history....if we will have a future history of "America".... And get ready for the "Amero" currency for the North American Union. Now who really thinks Bush is a "conservative".
mitch, norman - Oct 10, 2007 3:38 PM
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I have a problem with this. Why don't the taxpayers get to vote on issues like this? I know people who have insurance and still can't afford prenatal care after what the insurances does pay. It just allows them to quit work and get welfare.
Suzan, Oklahoma City - Oct 10, 2007 3:15 PM
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Whyno, what part of my thinking is dangerous? The part about birth control? Anyone, legal or not, should not have children if they cannot afford prenatal care or to raise them after they are born. .......Was it the part about the Indians? I didn't say they weren't treated badly, just that I didn't have anything to do with it. ....Or was it the part about the illegals finding their own country? That was a tongue in cheek comment. .....Just in case you didn't know, these posts are all opinions, nothing more. And, you had no right to say anything about my mother, which in effect you are saying I shouldn't have been born. I think that is a little harsh just because you don't agree with me. Remember, it is only opinions, and I don't care much for yours.
Jackie, moore - Oct 11, 2007 1:52 AM
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"Mark in Oklahoma City" said "now I know why Jesus wept." You apparently don't know very much about Jesus, or anything else, "Mark." Jesus lived as a subject of the Roman Empire, and when He was asked in one of the most striking passages of the New Testament about following the laws to which He was subject famously said "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." Jesus would have condemned the criminals who've flouted our laws to sneak into our country as the lawbreakers they are. He would not have wept. Please educate yourself before you post further leftist drivel, thanks.
Jason, Edmond - Oct 11, 2007 1:44 AM
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Well at least now I know who not to re-elect. They can dress it up how they want and try to make us out like bad people but get one thing straight, when they say the state pays for it, that actually means that I pay for it. The state does not have it's own money, it is paid for by me and you the taxpayers and I am sorry but I take care of my family and should not be forced to take care of someone else's, especially someone that is not even a legal, contributing taxpayer. Don't these idiots realize that laws like these only encourage these criminals (because that is what they are) to come here and suck off of us like leeches? I am tired of it all. Then you have the situation of the child being "legal", but the parent still is not, so now when you try to deport the illegal mother, then you are breaking up a family and more legal fights, and costs more money. Stop this already and seal our borders. If you really feel sorry for these poor people that are only coming here for this reason, do a search on the gang MS13 sometime. They originated in el salvador and are made up of mainly hispanics, and a lot of them are illegal and have come across that border that we are so unwilling to close. They are now listed by the FBI as the most violent gang in the world. They also have documents that show that they have been paid by al quida to smuggle known terrorists across our borders into America. That should scare you enough by itself. We need to close the border for security reasons, this is not the same world it was when the original immigrants came here. Also as a taxpayer, I am tired of paying for someone that is here illegally and will not vote for anyone that supports these illegals.
Brian, Shawnee - Oct 11, 2007 7:27 AM
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