Sky blue will be the color
Sky blue will be the color

By Mike Baldwin
Published: September 4, 2008

With “Thunderstruck” blaring over speakers inside Leadership Square, NBA players Desmond Mason and Damien Wilkins and a group of kids unveiled the Thunder logo Wednesday afternoon.

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While there was little suspense in recent weeks that Thunder would be Oklahoma City's new NBA team's nickname, there was one element of surprise — the team's primary background color is sky blue.

“We think the logo is classic in its style,” said team chairman Clay Bennett. “We think it's powerful in its design. We think it evokes energy. We think the word Thunder is displayed with simplicity and dignity. And the colors represent much about Oklahoma.

“Our primary color blue is the color of our state flag. This is very much an Oklahoma organization. The sunset is red and orange. Not too red. Not too orange. And the beautiful sun is reflected by yellow.”

The NBA filed for trademark rights to six nicknames for Oklahoma City's franchise more than a month ago. When asked which nickname was the team's second choice, Bennett said Thunder was always the leading candidate.

“We just felt it connected,” Bennett said. “We liked the name. We felt it reflected the identity we hope to establish for the team. And thought the word connected to Oklahoma in an effective way, a word of power and strength and clarity. It was a favorite early on. Thunder was the leader for a long time.”

Team uniforms will be unveiled when training camp begins later this month. Other logos and a mascot also are being developed.

“We now have a name that represents the organization,” said general manager Sam Presti. “That's a great feeling. The nickname and logo bring to life so many different things. The colors were well thought out. We now have a brand we can start to identify with. It's a great day for the fans and the community.”

The Oklahoma City team worked with the Ackerman-McQueen agency and the NBA to develop the logo.

“We are thrilled with the creative design,” Bennett said. “It's an exhilarating day. We're very proud. We hope the fans are proud. And we hope to make them proud.”

Kevin Durant, last year's NBA Rookie of the Year wasn't present but his mother, Wanda Pratt, was one of hundreds of people who purchased merchandise with the new logo after the press conference at the team store. Pratt lives in Washington, D.C. She is in Oklahoma City to help her son find a residence to live in during the upcoming season.

“Coming from a large city like Washington D.C., sometimes people aren't as friendly because of the hustle and bustle,” Pratt said. “The thing I really like about Oklahoma City is how welcoming the people are here. I've really been impressed with that.”

Was she impressed with the nickname and logo?

“Thunder sounds great,” Pratt said. “The logo looks really good compared to other logos (in the league). And we may see something different on the uniforms. Clay said this was the initial logo. I like it. It's nice.”

KOCO reported in July Thunder would be the nickname based on a domain name (okcthunderbasketball.com) was purchased by the company that represents the league.

Further evidence surfaced in early August when the NBA released the 2008-09 schedule. For a few hours that day if someone clicked on any of Oklahoma City's 82 regular season games on nba.com it directed people to a Web site entitled.

“It's hard to keep a secret, but we are proud of this,” Bennett told the crowd inside Leadership Square. “We are really excited by your reaction. We will build this brand into one of the great brands in the league.”

Bennett was a “little disappointed” the logo's image leaked out last weekend but said that was part of the adventure. He closed the press conference by thanking fans who have been a part of the entire process, including submitting nicknames.

“We are honored and humbled that Thunder joins the NBA family,” Bennett said. “We will do all we can to live up to the privilege and responsibility. The season is upon us. Great days lie ahead. Congratulations all. And go Thunder.”


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Gary, Oklahoma City - Sep 9, 2008 at 8:53 am
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Larry, I understand what you are saying regarding having more seating, but I have to personally disagree. I am an avid OU fan and I always here people talking about expanding the stadium. "We could get it up to 100,000 and sell out every game!" Yeah, but what happens when (God forbid) Bob Stoops leaves, a new coach comes in, doesn't have a winning season and we can't fill it up. The Thunder is going to have their ups and downs and I would rather have a place that is 24th (I believe that is what you posted) and loud and intimidating than #10 and not as loud. Since I am a college football fan, I will give you a couple of examples of loud, but not necessarily large stadiums. Autzen Stadium (Oregon University) 59,000 #9 on the list of toughest places to play in 2008. Lane Stadium (Va-Tech) 66,000 #7 on the list of toughest places to play. I don't want our arena to be the biggest...just the best and the loudest.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Sep 9, 2008 at 8:52 am
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Roger you are correct and seeing the big picture once again...I guess you have been reading all of the negative reaction to the name/colors/logo not only locally but nationwide...Congrats!
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 9, 2008 at 6:38 am
"No need to, Bennett seems to be doing a pretty good job of that all by himself."...Yeah his plan didn't work very well at all...If only he would have been able to buy a team of 41 years in a big time sports market and move it to OKC
ROGER, MOORE - Sep 8, 2008 at 10:03 pm
"...stop embarassing OKC to the rest of the nation" No need to, Bennett seems to be doing a pretty good job of that all by himself. LMAO
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 7, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Kim: instead of the name calling, try refuting what people post. For example, when people post the reasons why the colors or logo design is bad, please explain where they are wrong. If you think the colors are good, tell us why. If you think the logo looks great, tell us why. Also, feel free to put your money where your mouth is on the logo design etc, and buy at least one item with the logo on it to make up for every single one of the "negative" posts left by your fellow fans in these threads. With all of the money you will be raking in from your parking lots during the Hornets games, you should be able to afford it. :-)
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 7, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Kim, you suggested I move to a city with a name I liked. Have a question for you that I have asked other regular posters in these threads..if the NBA is THAT important to you, why haven't YOU moved to a city that already had a team? Jill has said repeatedly, she wanted the Hornet's (yet for some reason, she wasn't willing to move to New Orleans to support "her" team). Why are you living in a city that (until recently) didn't have one?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 7, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Kim, I am not the only one that doesn't care for the name, colors or logo...read carefully the posts left by your fellow fans in these threads...Thunder wasn't my 1st choice (but as I said most agree it rates a "C"). The Thunder name I can live with, while it does have an association with Oklahoma's weather, it is a "safe" "generic" name that can easily be transferred to any city/state (when Bennett gets tired of his new toy and decides to sell or relocate the team). Also, "Thunder" doesn't have some of the negative connections as some of the other weather related names that have been suggested (Lightning, Twisters, Tornadoes etc). As far as I know, Thunder hasn't killed anyone or caused untold property damage. It suggests power and intimidation. I agree with Jill that the logo/mascot should be a Bison (my personal favorite of the 6 names trademarked). A "thundering herd" that definitely has an Oklahoma connection. I have nothing against the team itself or the players (have posted positive comments about Durant etc). My problems are with the lead owner of this team (Bennett). He has proven himself to be a liar (did you follow the court case?). Jill (who you seem to admire) has even admitted he is a liar. He has also proven he isn't willing to put up any of the money for this (again, just as he proved up in Seattle). He wants the taxpayers to foot the bill (can't really blame him for trying or wanting that, why not get someone else to pay for it if you can). I am a native Oklahoman and moved back home in my college days. I support my City and State and have several t-shirts etc that have OU, Blazers, Centennial and other Oklahoma or Oklahoma City connections that I wear proudly (because they are cool designs). When this team comes up with a good looking logo/design, then I will buy it. Until then...
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Everyone coming up to Seattle for the Huskies/Sooners should go to the Seattle Storm vs. Atlanta game on Sept 12 to check out WNBA basketball and also check out Key Arena. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the Key after actually seeing it in person. In my opinion the only dump of a stadium we have is Husky Stadium ..
Bill, Everett - Sep 7, 2008 at 11:38 am
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Have fun in Seattle .. I imagine the Sooners will win the game, but hopefully the Huskies and Locker can make the Sooners sweat a bit .. You can wear your Thunder wear .. as long as it is under your Sooner wear .. lol
Bill, Everett - Sep 6, 2008 at 11:41 pm
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Hey Seattlites, Sorry about your Huskies loss to BYU it was a stupid call. I will be at the game next week sporting my Thunder t-shirt. No just kidding.
Kim, Nichols Hills - Sep 6, 2008 at 10:31 pm
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Don't you get it? It isn't that there is anything wrong with the colors on their own, it is that they don't have anything to do with the team name. When you think of "Thunder" (weather related events) what colors come to mind? Sky Blue? Red and Yellow from a scenic sunset?
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 6, 2008 at 3:38 pm
"Anyway I work with about 1000 people and they all love the team and LOGO". Kim have you been reading the articles in the paper? Have you been reading the feedback? These comments have been made by the fans (not haters from Seattle). Nearly every comment left has been: (1) the team name could have been better/could have been worse. Grade = "C" (2) the colors are horrible (because they have nothing to do with the team name) Grade = "F" and (3) the logo looks very amateurish..clipart...like the kids on the stage came up with it..etc...etc. Grade "F" The 1,000 people you work with must also work for the team or the Mayors office because everyone I have talked to about this (people that voted for the tax increase and basketball fans) are in agreement with 1, 2 and 3 above.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 6, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Jill: went to the following link before I posted has all of the logos side by side. [http://www.sportslogos.net/league.php?id=6] Still stand by the statement that OKC could have blown everyone away, to defend this logo as "it could have been worse" is fairly lame. This is the primary logo, and as such will be used the most. Yes there will be other designs and logos (hopefully better) but the fact remains this is the one they are going with. Lke I said, notice that in all of the logos that mention the City or State name, it is listed 1st. The Thunder logo has it backwards (it reads "Thunder OKC"). Notice too that most of the other logos tie in to the team name or at least some graphic tie in to the location? The Thunder logo doesn't do any of that (Bennett even had to explain what everything meant, if you have to explain something as simple as a name or a logo, it probably is not the best choice).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 6, 2008 at 3:26 pm
the colors are great and also it is the state's colors. our flag, both universities and it is snappy and neat to look at compared to the other nba teams. like kim said, oklahomans are one of kind people and our team the thunder will surprise the nba by our fans, attendance and our winning ways. we will be a team that the nba will take notice and a team that will have championship written all over it.
robert, cushing - Sep 6, 2008 at 10:34 am
Remember most of the people who post here are complainers. Or pseudo OKC citizens from other places. I've tested people on simple questions about OKC and they cannot gve me a right answer and they claim to be from here. Anyway I work with about 1000 people and they all love the team and LOGO. Our company has even bought a suite to watch the games and about 100 corporate season tickets. This thing is going to be huge . Oklahomans are very competitive and love to shock the world. I have lived here and Cali all my life and OKC is becoming a very trendy place. We will show all you haters in time. OKC is going to shock the nation. Just watch!!!!
Kim, Nichols Hills - Sep 6, 2008 at 10:15 am
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todd, i will look, but the generic logo from the summer league looks way better. i plan on waiting til it new designs come out or this one gets redesigned... there has been a huge backlash against this mediocrity and clay would be fool not to do something about it.
edcrunk, okc - Sep 6, 2008 at 9:00 am
Larry, I'd have to add that the Pistons logo is pretty generic and uninteresting, as are those of the Warriors, the Cavaliers, the Clippers, Lakers, Nets, Pacers. If you go to nba.com and click on "store" on the right, you'll see all the logos and can compare them. A lot of the teams have primary and secondary logos, but the ones you'll see on the store page have a lot in common: they have a basketball and either the name of the city or the team on them. The Cavaliers just have a "C". Let's wait and see what our other logos look like before getting too upset.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Sep 6, 2008 at 7:34 am
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The logo is just one logo. There will be others. I think the Hornets have about five. People will buy gear that has the logo they like best once there are more. I've got a really good looking one that just says Thunder and has a band beneath it that says Oklahoma City. And for anyone who doesn't like the colors, I'll offer that they're a heck of a lot better than teal and purple. We wore a lot of that for two years. I actually really like the colors, but even if I didn't, I'd like them better than Hornets' colors.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Sep 6, 2008 at 7:29 am
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See what I mean.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 6, 2008 at 4:52 am
"...compare the logo with the other teams around the league. It stands up." Really? Against which ones? Art is a subjective thing but the only logos the Thunder looks better than are the Trail Blazers (looks like a logo for a news station..is it channel 6 or 9), the Raptors (should have been more in line with the other animal logos), Wizards, and last place the Heat. Notice too that in all of the logos that mention the City or State name, it is listed 1st. The Thunder logo has it backwards (it reads "Thunder OKC"). Notice too that most of the other logos tie in to the team name or at least some graphic tie in to the location? The Thunder logo doesn't do any of that (Bennett even had to explain what everything meant, if you have to explain something as simple as a name or a logo, it probably is not the best choice).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 6, 2008 at 4:26 am
Wow, just wow, thats all I have to say. I think the colors/logo/name are pretty good. Just be happy you all got a team. As a Sonics fan I find it just sickening that alot of OKC fans are upset, at least your team didn't leave, be happy with what you got. Any show of weakness puts a target on your back, look what happened to us. Step up and support your team, no matter what.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 6, 2008 at 12:41 am
Ed - visit the team store online or drop by one of the Academy stores around town, and see how the logo looks on clothing and other merchandise. It might change your mind. Plus, compare the logo with the other teams around the league. It stands up. Just give it a little time.
Todd, Midwest City - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:33 pm
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this logo is pathetic. i was so hyped to buy gear... but not now... no effin' way! i'm so upset.
edcrunk, okc - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm
The logo looks better (not great, but better) the darker the background it is placed on (take a look at the pics in the gallery of the shirts and hats etc). A dark, midnight blue or black works best. Do like the alternate "THUNDER" text logo that is on some of the hats (better font) but doesn't look like it mentions Oklahoma City anywhere in the design. Someone mentioned it is similar to the Centennial logo (similar colors and elements). For some reason the Centennial logo worked and this one doesn't (the Centennial logo looks better on a dark background as well). Think the colors worked with the Centennial one but have no logical connection with the team name "Thunder", they just don't go together.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm
how about a big plate of fudgey peanuts and corn?
tu, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:48 pm
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KL, you must not have seen the gear. Colors are all off below. It's just a shade darker than NC blue, and it looks fine.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Too cool....! Pictures have been leaked out showing the sky blue and orangey-reddish uniforms....! http://www.newline.com/cm_downloads/pr/semipro_wallpapersdesktops_2863.jpg
K.L., warr acres - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:37 pm
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Honestly, I'm not speaking out of bias here because who really cares anymore, but, this logo looks like NBDL. Even the other low-quality logos in the league (Cavaliers, Bobcats, Nets and Suns) have some depth and statement to them. But anyway, apparently it's an initial design. You all should hope that's true.
Martin, Seattle - Sep 5, 2008 at 1:50 pm
tu is definately from Seattle.
paul, yukon - Sep 5, 2008 at 11:38 am
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http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/thunder_what_thunder.php
Roy, Edmond - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:46 am
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you see in that picture? I wonder what he's thinking... ...what the f?!...
Roy, Edmond - Sep 5, 2008 at 10:33 am
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I found a picture of Damien Wilkins with the name/logo/color design team: http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/OKSO104090318_1024x768.jpg
K.L., warr acres - Sep 5, 2008 at 9:16 am
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Okay, I'm not the biggest fan of the colors, but it could be worse (think Oregon football!). I can live with the sky blue, even though it wouldn't have been my first choice. Don't care too much for the logo either, BUT I DON'T think it's the "worst logo ever" like a lot of you have said. Just take a look at the other logos around the league. And by the way, to all you nay sayers on the logo.... DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ?!?!?!?!?! From the article: "OTHER LOGOS and a mascot also are being developed."... and "WE MAY SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THE UNIFORMS. Clay said this was the INITIAL logo." Better logos will be coming. Get a grip, people!!
Richard, Oklahoma City - Sep 5, 2008 at 2:37 am
The logo looks better in the newspaper. My monitor does not do it justice. I like the dark blue shirts. Will other logos be used also? I would like to buy some shirts for my grand children age 8 and under. Maybe Thor on the childrens shirt. Give the logo time to work. They can change it if this one doesn't work out. Think of ways to use the Thunder name. Like plastic lightning bolts on the walls of the arena, which would flash when you made Thunder sound. The logo is ok and better than some of the other team logos I looked at.
Eddie, Fort Smith - Sep 5, 2008 at 12:45 am
Why choose orange, yellow and blue? Those aren't related to dark, stormy clouds and skies when there is thunder? Frankly this whole thing makes no sense at all. There are hundreds of color combinations to choose from and Bennett probably picked one of the worst ones.
Kalen, Durango - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:53 pm
“We are thrilled with the creative design,” Bennett said. “It's an exhilarating day. We're very proud. We hope the fans are proud. And we hope to make them proud.” Bennett needs to read the all of the various feedback sections related to this ...even the fans that are gong to be buying tickets etc are not pleased...the consensus seems to lean towards the team name being so-so (could be better/could be worse) but the logo and colors have been getting a near unanimous thumbs down.
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:49 pm
"The colors were well thought out." NO THEY WEREN'T (otherwise there would be some connection with the team name and the colors...when you think of thunder, you certainly don't think of blue skies).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:45 pm
"We think the word Thunder is displayed with simplicity and dignity." BUT A RATHER WIMPY FONT (the font used on some of the hats in a different design looks much better, but doesn't mention OKC or Oklahoma at all).
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:42 pm
"The sunset is red and orange. Not too red. Not too orange. And the beautiful sun is reflected by yellow.” UMMM, WHERE IS THE SUNSET IN THE LOGO??
Larry, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Can you not read philip??? I WANT you to do good. I WANT the Thunder around when we get the Sonics back. I'll I've said is that you all better quit you complaining and get behind this team. Look at all the post on here that are negetive. All the people that that have said that they won't buy the merchandise. OKC people have said this, not me. PS, I am over it, what's done is done, it just sickens me to see our team leave and go to a place that is already putting them down, and they haven't even played a game. t
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Worst logo in professional sports, in no way represents "Thunder", colors are already taken by many NBA teams and also don't represent thunder, "Thunder" is a bad name, Cyclones, Barons, Outlaws are all much better, sky blue is already taken by 2 teams in the northwest division (Jazz & Nuggets), ect. Bottom line is there was no brain power in developing this team.
Kalen, Durango - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:22 pm
The horse has been beat to death. Let it go, Jesse. It's over. If you're going to wait for this team to fail, you're in for a very long and painful future. Move on.
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:21 pm
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Sorry, it was 8.5% of the population, not the % of registered voters. OK has a low rate of registered voters compared to the population, didn't realize that.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 11:01 pm
No, actually I got it from this paper, I'll dig it up, and send you a link. Voter fatigue??? lol...and you give Seattle crap for not wanting to spend money on a new arena when we already owe about 1 billion already. Sheesh... I would think that more people would be interested in their city spends $100 million dollars. Side note, trying to diss the seattle times for spining numbers, and defending this site is a total waste of time. This paper has been known for years for twisting stories to benefit the pocket books of it's owners, at the expense of the good citizens of OK.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:57 pm
What people need to understand is that in American sue happy culture, when it comes to logos, it's easy to design one. It is damn near impossible to clear it past the legal hurdles. I've seen lawyers waste six months on a simple contract. And, logos change. The Thunder organization needs a little more time to see intimately what works between the city and the team. I like the Thunder, I lke the team colors, and the logo will do for now. I have Thunder gear back-ordered.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Jesse, Oklahoma City at that election time was suffering from voter fatigue. We just had two previous elections when the Ford Center improvement ballots hit the polls. And, the turnout was 30% of the registered voter population. Not 8.5%. Where did you get your stats from... Seattle Times? This wasn't a metro election, it was a city election.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Yeah, all 8.5% of the voting population even bothered to show up to even vote on the taxes, lotta pride there. Just shows OKC's overall indifference to the team.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I can see why people are pissed though. Even the Rockford Thunder fast pitch softball team has a better Thunder logo than you guys.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:39 pm
If the posts on here are any indication, your going to have a very hard time. I hope your right though, I would hate to not see OKC Thunder around when we get the Sonics back.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:37 pm
The Thunder will be profitable here for many years to come, so there won't be a reason for them to leave. We as a city will take pride in making sure our arena is competitive with other major league cities and we will do so with taxes that have very little impact on peoples day to day lives. You should have done the same instead of expecting Schultzs group to lose tens of millions of dollars, year after year, on your behalf.
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:17 pm
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Seriously, how can anybody be satisfied with that logo? Here we are in the year 2008 and we cannot come up with somehting a little more complex? Plus, how does this logo reflect thunder in any way other than the incredibly uneventfull "Thunder" accross the top? Quite elementary if you ask me. And choosing light blue was probably the very last color you should have considerd being that there are already 2 teams (Nuggets & Jazz) in the Northwest division that have light blue as their main color. Unbelievable, for a man as wealthy as Bennett. Makes me wonder how he got his money. Probably stealing something since he stole this franchise. That's my guess.
Kalen, Durango - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:13 pm
http://www.thunderprofastpitch.com/ Bennett should of bought this logo.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:08 pm
We weren't willing to build an arena outside of Seattle, the city the teams from. And weren't given any other options. You telling me that Bennett didn't want to move the team, and that's why he bought it, to own the Seattle SuperSonics...please... The nail in the coffin was when Bennett signed the papers to buy the team.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:07 pm
We'll see how you all react when Bennett wants more renovations to the Ford Center, or elects to want a brand new building in 6 years when he can opt out of the lease, if the team is still there. If the post on this board are any reflection of how the average OKC citizen feels you've got an uphill battle. Everyone wants to go see a team that loses, and they hate the name/logo/colors. Not to mention that NOBODY outside of Oklahoma will ever buy a Thunder jersey.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Any business is in serious trouble when the investors have to start digging in their pockets because of cash calls. Seattle got the team in the first place by providing an arena for them to play in. They lost the team because they were no longer willing to do so
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 10:03 pm
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By your reasoning philip, I would guess that over the 41 year history of the franchise that they were very profitable, how else could you explain that the team was able to stay in Seattle, if five years of losses is all it take to move a team, then almost every sports franchise ever would of moved by now. Any business has a down time.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Profitability had everything to do with it. Why did Schultz HAVE to sell in in the first place, Jesse? Here's a hint.....$60 million dollars in loses over the last 5 years his ownership group had the team.
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:52 pm
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Note to self: Never use Ackerman-McQueen. Thanks.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Unfortunatly philip, Shultz sold to a guy that wanted to move the team regardless, and had the support of the commish. As soon as the papers were signed, that was it, game over. There was nothing we could of done. Profitablity had nothing to do with it. I'm not saying we don't need a new arena, cause we do, the timing was just bad when shultz asked for it (6 years after the last renovation) that the city/state/voters wanted nothing to do with it at that time. In hind site it would of been the thing to do, as shultz probably wouldn't have sold had that happened. I didn't start posting here today to talk about the past, I was just a little taken back by all the negative post by OKC people in regards to the name/logo/colors, kinda ticked me off as I miss the Sonics and hate to see a city with a new team and all alot of them do is complain. Hopfully that will all change in time.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:39 pm
If that were enough, the Sonics would still exist in Seattle, Jesse. The Sonics were in the playoffs just a few years ago and according to Wally Walker didn't come close to breaking even.
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:30 pm
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More money to be made when the team is winning, would be my first thought Philip. With the 14th largest tv market, the tv deal alone would be much more lucrative in a larger city than in a small one. Not to mention merchandise sales that always seem to be higher in larger cities than in smaller ones, this is especially noticable outside the city, and wordwide. With the NBA being a revenue sharing league, this benefits all teams, not just certain ones.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Nothing operates in a vacuum, Jesse. There will always be cities out there like KC and Louisville willing to offer a much better deal than Seattle. Why would anyone want to spend a half a billion dollars of their own money on an arena when there are new arenas in other cities ready to roll out the red carpet for a major league tenant?
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 9:05 pm
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You hit the nail right on the head Philip, "paid most of the cost" not all of the cost as Bennett wanted. We were already 1 billion in the hole for stadiums, and said enough. Like I said, whats done is done. I suspect that within 5 years we'll have another team, with a renovated Seattle Center Colliseum paid mostly from private funds, and we'll be back in the game. So please support your team, embrace the name/logo/colors!!! I would so hate to have OKC out of the game before we get back. Can't wait to play you guys!!!
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Terrible logo. Really sucks for you guys.
Joe, irvine - Sep 4, 2008 at 8:32 pm
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I'm glad it sounds reasonable to you, Jesse. I'm sure you'll also agree that it's reasonable for a business to leave one city where they are unprofitable for another city where they have a chance to be profitable....I'm sure you're also aware that if Seattle hadn't paid most of the cost of the stadiums for the Seahawks and M's, they would both be gone now too.
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 8:26 pm
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Mark, I don't give much weight to those polls as I'm aware that many disgruntled Seattle fans pad the votes. I know how we supported the Hornets as I was at most of the games.. and I'll be at all of the Thunder games.. offering even more support as they are now Our team.. Go Thunder!
K, Edmond - Sep 4, 2008 at 8:14 pm
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Sounds reasonable to me Philip. I think alot of cities around the country a sick of handing out money to billionaire owners. There are many privately financed stadiums/arenas, I-91 didn't prohibit the money to owners, just stated that the city would want a return on it's investment, this is just smart. I-91 didn't have anything to do with the Sonics leaving, nobody told them to get lost. The reason that the Sonics left is simple, Schultz sold to Bennett who wanted a team in OKC, and had the backing of Stern. Nothing short of building an arena OUTSIDE of the city of Seattle in Renton (the armpit of the northwest) would have kept them here, and nobody here wanted an arena in Renton. What's done is done. You guys need to support this team and stop with all the name/logo/colors suck garbage, it makes me sick. Buy all the merchandise, get everyone in your family a jersey. Go get a license plate cover, whatever, just do it now, and do it quick. As we've seen already in Seattle, any sign of weakness and the targets on your back. Now be the Oklahoma fans I've heard so much about and get it great done!!! I'd like to see at least one positive thing come out of this.
Jesse, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Here's how Seattle showed their support for the Sonics.....http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/291528_keyarena08.html......"Seattle voters likely doomed the Sonics' future in the city Tuesday. Initiative 91, which aimed to slap down taxpayer-funded subsidies for professional sports teams, was leading by an overwhelming margin Tuesday. I-91 would prohibit Seattle from supporting teams with city tax dollars unless such investments yield a profit on par with a 30-year U.S. Treasury bond, currently about 4.75 percent. "With this kind of vote in the city of Seattle, it's extremely unlikely that any tax subsidy would make its way through the Legislature, particularly one without a public vote," as Bennett has called for, Van Dyk said. And "on the outside chance that one did, we would work to block it."
paul, yukon - Sep 4, 2008 at 7:53 pm
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K, if OKC has such great fans how do you explain this: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=57025 Wouldn't even care if their favorite team left, and apparently the only place on Earth where that's true. Great fans.
mark, Seattle - Sep 4, 2008 at 7:44 pm