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David Stanley Ford

Some fear sweat lodge tragedy’s effect in Oklahoma
‘This is part of our religion’

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Published: November 2, 2009



On Oct. 8, 55 people seeking spiritual enlightenment were crammed into a makeshift sweat lodge in Sedona, Ariz., under the guidance of James Arthur Ray, a nationally renowned self-help guru. Witnesses claim Ray intimidated and coerced participants to remain in the steamy sweat lodge for two hours. Twenty-one people were rushed to hospitals. Three died. Word of the tragedy sent shockwaves to Oklahoma — the home of many sacred sweat lodge ceremonies.

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Dr. Brendon McCollom, a Mercy Northwest Family Clinic physician who specializes in sports medicine, said the Sedona, Ariz., sweat lodge participants showed blatant "signs of heat exhaustion.”

"Physically, there was no benefit to what they were doing,” McCollom said. "You might initially lose weight in water, but not fat.”

McCollom warns that anyone with a chronic medical condition such as heart or kidney disease should avoid saunas and sweat lodges.

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Wrongful death suit filed in case
The first two lawsuits in what could be a flurry of legal actions stemming from a deadly sweat lodge ceremony led by author and motivational speaker James Arthur Ray were filed Friday in Arizona. One wrongful death suit came from the family of one of the three people who died after the Oct. 8 ceremony. A southern Arizona woman who was badly hurt also filed suit. Ray is accused of negligence, fraud and other actions along with the owners of the Angel Valley Retreat Center, and other defendants. A call seeking comment from Ray’s attorney wasn’t immediately returned.

Amayra Hamilton, who owns Angel Valley with her husband, said there was nothing wrong with the lodge itself. and her center had no part in how Ray ran the ceremony.

The three deaths and hospitalization of 18 other participants came at the end of a five-day Ray-led "Spiritual Warrior” program.

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WATONGA — Eugene Blackbear, leaning on a wooden walking cane, takes a seat not far from the family’s sacred sweat lodge on a small acreage south of Watonga. His son-in-law, Malcolm Whitebird, stokes the flames of a bonfire built around a pyramid of stones.

Once the stones turn a glowing red they will be placed inside the lodge, where Blackbear’s grandsons have draped a heavy canvas over a dome-like frame made of tree branches. The stones will then be sprinkled with water, and the sweat will begin.

Blackbear, 79, is in his element.

The Cheyenne medicine man is encircled by family, friends and the traditional ways of his grandfather’s grandfathers. Life is good. Yet on this day, his heart is heavy over the Arizona tragedy.

"I pray for the families of those victims,” said Blackbear, speaking above a howling wind. "What happened there is not right. I don’t like it at all. Whoever conducted that sweat obviously didn’t know what they were doing. You don’t charge money for a sweat. That is something holy. You don’t mess with those types of things.

"There was a reason this happened. We just don’t know the reason yet.”

James Arthur Ray, who built a financial empire from his motivational books and lectures, charged clients $9,000 to attend a five-day "Spiritual Warrior” retreat. The package included a "vision quest” in which participants reportedly fasted in the Arizona desert for 36 straight hours, followed by a two-hour sweat lodge ceremony loosely based on ancient American Indian practices.

On Thursday, Ray announced on his Web site that he has postponed all future events to "dedicate all my physical and emotional energies to helping bring some sort of closure to this matter.”

A criminal investigation is pending.

Blackbear fears the fallout might have major ramifications if people don’t understand how – or why – real Indian sweat lodge ceremonies are conducted. Sweats are performed in various forms by different tribes nationwide, including the Cheyenne, Arapaho, Kiowa, Comanche and Sioux.

"This is part of our religion,” Blackbear said. "We don’t want someone coming in here and making new laws, restricting our sweat lodge. You don’t have to burn someone out in a sweat, or keep them from leaving. That’s not right. A sweat is about prayer and healing.”

Whitebird said Indians who charge for sweat lodge ceremonies are generally regarded as "sellouts.” Non-Indians who do the same: "Frauds.”

Sedona Blackbear, Eugene’s daughter-in-law, is compassionate and blunt.

"It’s offensive to us,” she said. "It’s offensive that they didn’t know how to use it and it hurt those poor people. We just need to pray for those families.”

Sedona and her husband, Ralph, have hosted sweat lodge ceremonies for years on their rural property. A deeply worn footpath between the bonfire pit and the sweat lodge bear witness to their spiritual dedication, as well their hospitality and commitment to the traditional ways of their people.

In the Cheyenne tribe, the sweat lodge – like the annual Sundance and Sacred Arrows ceremonies – were brought by a legendary holy man known as Sweet Medicine. Cheyenne legend states that Sweet Medicine lived to 445 years of age, and traveled the sacred Black Hills of South Dakota before his death.

There, Sweet Medicine is led to the most sacred site in Bear Butte – a tipi-like mountain that rises from the prairie. Somewhere on Bear Butte, Sweet Medicine entered a secret cave where great spirits awaited his arrival. They entrusted in him the spiritual and social foundation for the Cheyenne, including how to run a sweat lodge ceremony.

Today, Bear Butte is the destination for countless vision quests. The elder Blackbear himself has engaged in 16 such journeys and has participated in four Sundances dating to 1948. Before that, he watched his elders and carefully observed their ways.

"As a child, they used to put me in charge of opening and shutting the sweat lodge doors,” Blackbear said. "We had one on the east and one on the west in those days. If a buffalo skull had been placed in front of the lodge, I knew that meant powerful medicine.

"Today, we will do what we call a ‘Young Man’s Sweat.’ But every sweat should be done with a special purpose – a homecoming; or if someone is leaving; or if someone is sick.”

‘The sweat’
Inside the lodge, 11 people sit in a circle around a pit filled with glowing red rocks. They quietly await the arrival of the elder Blackbear, who enters the lodge with his walking cane and escorted by his children and grandchildren. His seat is one of honor as medicine man and family elder, and one not easily obtained.


From Blackbear’s hand dangles a leather pouch filled with shavings of cedar and sweet grass – sacred ingredients that will be sprinkled atop the scalding stones throughout the four 15-minute sessions. Blackbear calls for the entryway to be closed and the stones to be sprinkled with water from one of the metal buckets inside the lodge.

Hot steam quickly fills the lodge, pasting one’s body almost instantly with a layer or moisture.

One by one the participants offer thanks for the many blessings in their lives and prayers for those near and far. Traditional Cheyenne prayer songs soon emanate from the lodge, lending the ceremony a rhythmic beauty.

Blackbear, whom his family affectionately refers to as "Old Man,” prays in his Cheyenne language – one of relatively few in the tribe who can still speak it fluently.

Afterward, the group celebrates in typical Cheyenne fashion with a feast of Indian fry bread, brisket, stew and love.

"My time here is almost through,” Blackbear said. "I know my time to die is near. I’m not afraid of dying. I’m afraid of what I will leave behind – my family. I’m just glad they have followed in all the traditional ways I have taught them; the ancient ways of our people.

"In that, I am happy. For this is our way of life.”

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Yep all in fun while the 2wife Chief Chad Smith screws the Fed's out of Grant money.
He just said Cherokee do not need to build Cherokee Casinos because he cant get A kickback from them.
I will be happy when the FBI get him in jail so he can sweat under bubba.
A, watauga - Nov 4, 2009 at 6:56 am
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A,Watauga- Leave the Cherokees alone, ur probably Yo-neg your own self. Or maybe you are just jealous because you are not Chad's 3rd wife...or are you? Aye. all in fun Tsalagi..its all in fun.
sl, calumet - Nov 3, 2009 at 1:13 pm
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Why prosecute a person for taking advantage of people who cannot find their own way and are gullible enough to follow someone elses guidance? They were not tied up they CHOSE top do this. Happens all of the time. Take resposibility for your actions and do not succumb to some idiots beliefs. Educate yourself do not rely on others to make up your mind. Kind of reminds me of tithe.
scott - Nov 3, 2009 at 11:51 am
More insanity in Europe - I used to go to the Country and Western fests that they would have in the local villages here. I once saw and Indian and went to talk to talk to him. Found out, he is an Austrian, had his skin tanned, his hair dies black and straightened, and he spoke no English. These Euros make tipis and act like they know what they are doing, living in the wild. This is only a very small group. It is so crowded here that people have a problem, apparently, of finding their own idenity and try to adopt another cultures idenity. Truly sad!
Billy, Weatherford - Nov 3, 2009 at 4:50 am
Two hours is insane! I live in Austria but was born in Anadarko, lived in Eakly and Weatherford, and used to go to the teen hops in Watonga, back in the 60's. I have also attended Indian sweat lodges twice. Saunas are big here in Europe and I go every Sunday. 15 minute sessions are normal and longer is dangerous. Anyone with common sense should know that! The person who made them stay for two hours should be prosecuted for stupidity!
Billy, Weatherford - Nov 3, 2009 at 4:42 am
Kind of like OU & Texas seems the 2wife Chief chad smith made some fake cherokee OU jerseys with ou and bradfords name on um.
He was gona sell um and split it with his 2 wives.
But the Texans ended his trip down here he is gone and will never touch the Cotton Bowl again.
Old 2wife and hiz fake Cherokeez and his fake Teez put A Curse on old Bradford.
Too bad he ever touched hiz shoulder.
A, watauga - Nov 2, 2009 at 6:01 pm
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You got a good point, Billy.
Boomer, Washington - Nov 2, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Let me say I'm about as white as bread :) I like Jess, RL, and Joe's comments. All good. Truth never hurts; it just opens our eyes to reality. Be what you were born to be. You all have a heritage going back generations. Sit down with your elders while you can and just listen. Once they're gone, you lose the opportunity for the oral tradition.
Boomer, Washington - Nov 2, 2009 at 4:15 pm
What kind of lemmings would let anyone intimidate and keep 55 of them in a sweat house for two hours?
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Outlaw maybe that sweatbox would be good for you. I bet you would be the first to croak! BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 3:44 pm

I'm good thanks. If these guys want to go on a vision quest they need to get some peyote and do it the old fashioned way.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Really couldn't say it better than the way Blackbear said it. When you try to commercialize an ancient native american spiritual ceremony, this is what you get. And, this guy is being "civil". I'm sure if you can be around some close friends or relatives who are native american, you'll hear the real joking and sentiment about the "trickster" white man.
Boomer, Washington - Nov 2, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I used to take the Radium Baths at the Will Rogers Hotel they had A way to do it there.
First you went in the hot sauna with A ice cold towel on your head for 20 minutes then you entered the green mineral water bath for 30 minutes.
You took A shower and then you got A rubdown with alcohol.
Now as far as those Fake Indians in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma just look at the Council and the 2wife Chief Chad Smith and his head of Business Brad Carson.
I call them the full of Ikshie Tribe of the Non Cherokee.
What get's me is non of them can even speak Cherokee.
Osti Gon Chooch

A, watauga - Nov 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm
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Outlaw maybe that sweatbox would be good for you. I bet you would be the first to croak!
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 3:44 pm
That guy in Alaska was almost as crazy as you Billy! LOL Is this a beautiful day or what!
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 3:37 pm
These people remind me of that nut in Alaska that thought the grizzly bears were his "friends" until they ate him. Friends don't eat friends!"
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Honestly a 1/4 is so small of an amount why bother? I would think to keep the blood lines a person should be more than 1/4 to be in the tribe. I know a pasty white, red headed white guy that gets everything paid for because his great great great grandmother was native american. I agree with RL, too many times are whites trying to adopt another culture. I can spot a white girl that likes black guys a mile away. Stop trying to be something you are not, you were born the way you were so accept it! White people have no business trying to preform a native american ritual.
Jess, Warr Acres - Nov 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm
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How does anyone like James Arthur Ray figure out that there are people out there dumb enough to pay him $495,000.00 for him to starve them and then make them sweat. I don't know if he should be prosecuted, or made the CEO of AIG!
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I agree with Jason and Outlaw in general terms, those who always have to have someone else to find their answers are destined to be taken advantage of. In this case, it also killed them.
Rex, Yukon - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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Just an example of a major problem in society today...new-age wannabe Indians trying to preform a traditional Native American way of worship. Non Indian people lost in their own little worlds. And there are plenty of fools to fall for this kind of hypocrisy...Give me a break...I can only think my creator there is a right way of doing sweats. And their not advertised nor is there a fee. Plastic medicine men...Geez!
Joe, Tulsa - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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The overwhelming majority of Okie "Natives" are blue eyed Cherokees (see: white people with feathers in their hats trying to be ethnic). It's almost like white girls in clubs who think they are part of the African American culture because they fool around with African American men and have their babies. Nothing about these white Okies is even close to genuine Native American culture, and the pretendians out there are nothing more than leaches attempting to loot away tribal benefits in the same fashion as those of them who looted this beatiful Oklahoma land from its rightful owners during the land run era.
RL - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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Hippies made more sense to me than people that would pay $9,000 to sweat under some self professed "guru!" Maybe I am missing something here, so I think it is time for me to watch "Dances with Wolves" again! If I am paying $9,000 I want something of value in my pipe! It kinda reminds me of the floks I see at the zoo watching the great apes and mumbling something about their ancestors!
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:17 pm
"Or, fan of Darwin that you are, do you represent the next level of the evolved human - one without a heart, and full of judgment?" - I represent one that isn't intellectually drowning in a bucket/echo chamber of silly leftist/"progressive" rodomontade and gushy New Age theology engineered for gullible white liberals and their neuroses.

Such savants deserve every bit of "judgment" that decent people dole out to them: they acted foolishly, recklessly, dangerously, all in order to assuage some trendy craving to "belong," and paid the price accordingly - just like the cult followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh. If pointing that out is "judgment," so be it.
Jason, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:48 am
sweats are sacred and not for just anyone to run.Remembers a sweat I did. I had previously been diagnoised with congested heart failure. I did a sweat at a choctaw-apache sweat lodge, i did short intervals. First day, I was Fire Keeper, providing the sweat lodge with the rocks. 2nd day and third I did my sweat. To this day, no sign of Congestive heart failure. I did that sweat years ago, late 90s.

Plastic Shamens, white who charge, white who try - do not understand. They see dollar signs. That is the tradgey of this arizona thing. My heart goes to the families who lost.
Brenda, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:45 am
Barbara, I agree with Jason, and can almost picture these folks in their little sweat lodge,humming and returning to nature. Maybe they would have been better off if they would have taken their $9,000, and donated it to a good cause and maybe produced a little sweat carrying out a good deed!
BILLY, MUSTANG - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:34 am
Jason said, "What happened in Sedona, Arizona, was not a "tragedy": it was Darwin's laws wonderfully at work. Three "New Age" followers - no doubt each and every one liberal/"progressive" to the core - got suckered out of nine grand, and for their troubles got to see an early grave. Hard to find a downside to that outcome."

Your logic both frightens and nauseates me. You happily look to Darwinian theory to explain away this tragedy? And automatically label the people who died as liberal/progressive, as if Conservatives wouldn't do something like this? What about the lemmings who live and breathe for every word that comes out of Limbaugh's/Hannity's/Beck's mouths.

I am what you so sneeringly deride as "liberal/progressive" and I have participated in several sweat lodges. During each one, when I needed to leave because it was getting too intense, I LEFT. I've NEVER paid for a sweat - at most, I contributed to the pot luck dinner that took place after the sweat. These people didn't die because of their political affiliations - come on, does that even make sense? They died because they were foolish enough to trust someone who didn't know how to run a sweat lodge. They didn't do their homework, and were ignorant to the facts of how a sweat lodge should be run (including the fact that they should never have to pay for it). There's nothing Darwinian or political in that.

But your harsh comments are not to be believed. "Hard to find a downside to that outcome"? Are you kidding me? Or, fan of Darwin that you are, do you represent the next level of the evolved human - one without a heart, and full of judgment?
Barbara, Eugene - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:56 am
I've got to agree with Jason on this one. Hard to see a downside to evolution in action.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:44 am
A, watauga, I'm a full blood Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma member. The blood quantum is documented. I know you're some kind of snake oil salesman or something. But just explain how I'm a "fake" Cherokee. I want to see where your crazy thinking leads.
Bradley, Tulsa - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:40 am
Oklahoma license plate - it is a pic of the "Sacred Rain Arrow" sculpture created by Allan Houser. The sculpture is at Tulsa's Gilcrease Museum. It is a depiction of a young Apache Warrior. Go here for more info -
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080802_16_A1_spancl454650
Cassandra, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:26 am
What happened in Sedona, Arizona, was not a "tragedy": it was Darwin's laws wonderfully at work. Three "New Age" followers - no doubt each and every one liberal/"progressive" to the core - got suckered out of nine grand, and for their troubles got to see an early grave. Hard to find a downside to that outcome.
Jason, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:56 am
Just curious. Which indian is on the Oklahoma license plate?
char, oklahoma city - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:43 am
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The followers of self-help guru's are nothing but a bunch of lemmings. Beware false prophets whether they're selling you a secret formula for better health or if they're preaching from the pulpit about saving your soul. They're nothing but modern day snake oil salesman and there's plenty of clients here in Oklahoma ready to give them money.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 8:53 am
i thought the "Real"Cherokees came from North Carolina?! UKB's & CNO's, both were ran out of their homelands to Eastern Oklahoma. That is sad that a non-Indian was trying to profit from the sweat ceremony and those people died because of his greed. sad.
sl, calumet - Nov 2, 2009 at 8:47 am
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Chickasaw's are faking too. Just look at all their commercials, all white people. Only two natives out of 20+. "Great day to be Chickasaw". Too bad they don't have many in their commercials!!!
DARRYL, CONCHO - Nov 2, 2009 at 8:47 am
I was not aware of the Chrerokee Nation controversy until I attended Indian Falls Creek about 15 years ago. The preacher was from a small church in far Southeast Oklahoma and he was talking with some youth from another church. Somehow the discussion got into the nature of the newer false nation and the pastor got quite animated about how it was in fact a illegitimate tribe. Naturally the boys from that tribe were extremely upset their heritage was being questioned. It came to a boiling point where the nasty patrol had to be called in with their golf carts. Several hours later a car pulled up demanding to be able to pick up those boys as they were not going to listen to that particular preacher any more. Thus ended another controversial week of Indian False Creek.
burt, edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 6:53 am
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Some may not know about Fake Tribes too.
The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma Inc was formed in 1975 by Ross O Swimmer while the UKB or the Real Cherokee Nation was formed back in 1934.
The Chief of the CNO Inc. is Chad 2wife Smith A man who many think is not Cherokee at all but A Mexican Chad refuses to show his Birth Certifict.
He can not speak Cherokee and like all of those who work for Cherokee Nation Business are non Cherokee?
So how did A 1975 Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma Inc. become the Cherokee Nation?
The CNO just changed the name is all they took off the Oklahoma.
The head of the BIA even told them so.
I think if anyone wants to look at fake Indians just look at the CNO.
Now the UKB Cherokee have A Law that you have to be 1/4 Cherokee to be A member.
The Creek Nation Law is you have to be 1/4 Creek to serve on the Council or be Chief.
The CNO sold all the Land from Muskogee too Arkansas and guess who got paid first Ross Swimmer?
Chad 2 wife Smith is working for Ross and had made his brother in Houston rich along with Wilma Mankiller who works for Kyle Smith Chad's first hire. Wilma in turn worked for Ross Swimmer?
Chad 2wife bought Millions in stock for A Company called Global Energy Group A Pump and Dump deal.
Now Chad made himself A fund while in office so he can spend 2 Million A year of the Cherokees Cash?
Now Chad wants A Law passed in the CNO Inc. Charter so he can be Chief for life.
So you dont have to look far to find Fake Indian Tribes in Oklahoma.
The CNO Inc. is one of the biggest masquerading as the Cherokee Nation.
But the Real Cherokee know they are fake just ask the UKB Cherokee.
A, watauga - Nov 2, 2009 at 4:22 am
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Another white man wannabe. Sooooo tired of them and their wannabe followers. I am sorry for the loss of life but strange things happen when the laws of the sacred are broken.
Jacklyn, Yukon - Nov 2, 2009 at 1:43 am
ignorant white people trying to make money (GREED) the entire problem of our country rightnow!!!
nocona, santa fe - Nov 2, 2009 at 1:34 am

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