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Sooners take high road to Kansas City
OU prevailed over Texas without politicking, but just barely
By Berry Tramel
Published: December 1, 2008
NORMAN — ESPN called. Several times. Wanted Bob Stoops over the phone during the South Florida-Connecticut game a week ago. During the NIT tilts from Lloyd Noble Center. During Texas A&M-Texas on Thanksgiving night.
University of Oklahoma football players including Gerald McCoy (gesturing) and Joey Halzle (second from right) leave the Switzer Center after watching results of the Bowl Championship Series ranking in Norman, Oklahoma on Sunday, November 30, 2008. Photo by Steve Sisney
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sports·man·ship (spôrts'mən-shĭp', spōrts'-) n.
The fact or practice of participating in sports or a sport.
Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.
courtesy - calling in during the other teams game to 'make your case'
grace in losing -
Stirring the pot for 2 weeks, knowing your stats weren't good enough and you probably wouldn't' win... then when losing was confirmed, has turned it into a national fiasco, completely banishing one teams excellent efforts of the year (TT - just because they beat you), and making sure the team that won out above you is paying the media hate price for statistically destroying you.
Good Job Texas, Great sportsmanship!
BTW, you sure whined about losing in a 'head to head' decision a few years back. Wasn't good enough for you back then, why is it good enough for you now?... oh wait, you're just against every scoring rule that makes you turn out on the bottom.
c, yukon - Dec 3, 2008 at 12:11 am
Can you say 7 NC rings? Can you? NOPE..nice
UT is 23-21-2 in bowls
OU is 24 16 1, Seven National Champs...41 conf. champs...Longest time in AP, Longest winning streak... so
teasippers stick to your cow dipping
ken, Houston - Dec 2, 2008 at 5:13 pm
D, the truth is ALL teams have fans that are arrogant and some are vocal about it. But, don't throw all under the bus because of it. I know some sorry Texas fans too
Matt, Yukon - Dec 2, 2008 at 2:44 pm
at least i am not a whiney texas douche with no football to watch this weekend
Ryan, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Yes i am a complete moron D- i sit here for hours and argue over a 3 way TIE! it is a tie no matter how you slice it! BUT at the end of the day... OU is still going to big 12 game and ut is not. you can call me names... my sooner football team names... but AGAIN at the end of the day we are going and the short horns aren't! so you can eat that... and then call me a moron again... because i have a game to watch this weekend
Ryan, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Ken-Houston
I, for one, have not tried to qualify our loss to Tech as anything less than what it was...a loss. You're correct, we were behind most of the game, and when no time was left, we didn't win the game. As I mentioned a few posts ago, this whole thing had apparently come down to a contest between Texas & OU (at least, according to the media and most people outside of Texas, Tech, and OU circles). Once we reached that point, the argument really began. I think that's how we all got here. As I said, I'd be happy to let it go if the Sooner fans would get off of the arrogant attitude toward Horn fans. Sooner fans somehow see this as the ripe opportunity to stick it to Horns everywhere (their coach, team, fans, school, etc.). I've got no respect for them.
Another thing Sooner fans...with your recent history with big games, you might want to be careful about spouting off on how great you are. The last thing you need is another LSU, USC, Boise State, or West Virginia debacle.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 1:56 pm
See Matt-Yukon, it's people like Ryan-Dallas that ruin it for you. Arrogant, idiotic Sooner fans like Ryan-Dallas..a total moron.
I was beginning to respect your opinion Matt but at the end of the day, Ryan-Dallas opened his trap and stained the Sooner nation with his arrogance.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 1:47 pm
D - Dallas, Here you go. Props to UT for beating my sooners in Oct. You won. Now, for the other story... UT position that they "lost to TT" with seconds left...hummm Seems to me the entire game UT was behind, had approximately 1/3 fewer yards, 1/3 fewer 1st downs and did not take the lead till late. TT score again and won in all catagories...it was a complete game. So spin doctor the loss, it is a loss. If we use the UT system of head to head, ok, then why is TT going to the Cotton? Rankings are in your favor too. TT is really getting hosed.
ken, Houston - Dec 2, 2008 at 1:02 pm
So texas loses twice this year!!! HA! TT and BCS! how AWESOME!
Ryan, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 12:54 pm
All I have to say is 45-35 who cares!!!! Oklahoma is going to the 7th! Big 12 championship and ut is not... repeat OU is going... ut is not! HA! eat that texas fans!!!
Ryan, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 12:52 pm
There is no arguement that texas was the better team on Oct 11th. That was proven on the field. Does that mean that they are the better team now? Who really knows, they definitely could be. We will never find out. I wish there was not a North/South division and OU and Texas could play again. I think it would be a fun game to watch
Matt, Yukon - Dec 2, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I don't think it could have been said any better.
Matt, Yukon - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:36 am
Matt, you're right. It isn't fair to Texas. It isn't fair to Tech. I'm through arguing about the tiebreaker. We agree to disagree.
I'll shut up when Sooner fans show some humility instead of spouting off about how they're better. When Sooners admit they lost to Texas legitimately instead of getting rolled by the refs and losing their all-star MLB, I'll shut up.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:34 am
To I'm A Texas Fan--At the end of the day there were 3 teams that had claims to the the South title; unfortunately only one could be awarded and the Big 12 put in a tiebreaker that, in this case, helped OU. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just makes it a fact. If the shoe was on the other foot and OU had beaten UT, then lost to TT and then watched TT get blown out by UT....you can believe OU fans would be saying the same things UT fans are now saying. And on the flip side UT fans would be saying just what OU fans are now saying. As always, (as the old saying goes) it simply depends on whose ox is being gored at the time. IMO there's no right or wrong answer on this thing....it came down to a "system" decision and when that happens somebody is going to get the short straw. The conference had a tiebreaker and the schools voted it in. Those are the breaks sometimes. As for all the politicking going on...unfortunately it's part of this whole BCS deal we have going on now. I thought the 45-35 placards at the aTm game were clever....but I also thought the airplane over Stillwater was over the top.....and imo it was more disrespectful to OSU than anybody else. But, I don't know for a fact who actually sent the plane....it was most likely UT alums (not UT administrations) but that doesn't change my opinion; I still think it was over the top. As for Mack going on TV during the OU/OSU game? I think it was out of place in the sense that it should have been done after the game, not during it. But, again just my opinion. And again, I think it was more of a sign of disrespect to OSU. Does Stoops deserve big pats on the back for not going on during the UT/aTm game? Not really imo...I think it was a simple, logical decision and if that's the "high road" so be it. Going on that game 3 days before playing OSU would have been stupid and incredibly insulting to OSU imo. Like you, I respect the OU/UT rivalry and I'm looking forward to one heck of a RRS next year. Boomer Sooner.
harry, lake forest - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:30 am
D, so we will take TT's BCS bowl since we beat them head to head, etc etc etc. Someone is going to be mad no matter what. This year it's texas.
OK, Lahoma - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:21 am
D in Dallas, this is the smallest violin playing a little sob song for you. GET OVER IT and stay on your side of the Red River.
Raina, Edmond - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:21 am
It was a 3 way tie and it went down to the 5th tiebreaker to decide who goes. It isn't fair to Texas and TT. But, if Texas went it wouldn't be fair to OU or TT.
The real point is there is no fair way to decide. ALL 12 teams agreed to this tiebreaker and it went in OUs favor. If it had worked in Texas's favor, I'm sure you wouldn't have complained one second.
You can talk about head to head to head until you are blue in the face, if it was a two way tie, Texas would obviously go, but it is not a two way tie, it's a three way tie. No team can dismiss the loss to the other team.
Suck it up, and deal with the fact that the tiebreaker didn't go in Texas's favor.
Matt, Yukon - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:17 am
Bobby, OKC...the fact that Texas beat OU is not the only thing that matters. But since it seems that for EVERYONE in the country this whole thing came down to Texas vs OU, then the fact that Texas beat OU on the field is all that should matter.
If you say that Sooner fans would not be screaming from the highest mountain about the head-to-head victory if the tables were turned, you're lying. It's easy for Sooner fans to mouth off because they didn't get shafted here.
All I ever hear from Sooners when they lose is some excuse about how they got cheated by the refs or how one of their players got injured, and so on. It's never because the better team beat them. But when they win, Sooner fans start mouthing off about how they're the greatest team ever and can do no wrong. They'd be better served if they'd just be a little bit humble and admit that they're fortunate to be where they are right now, under the circumstances. That's all...just be a little less arrogant and a little bit more thankful.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:15 am
Sure, I'll let Tech have our BCS bowl since they beat us head-to-head. While I'm at it, I'll take your BCS bowl since we beat you head-to-head.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 11:05 am
D, Dallas, how about texas doing the honorable thing a let TT go to a higher BCS bowl because they beat texas head to head. Sound familiar?
OK, Lahoma - Dec 2, 2008 at 10:58 am
D, Dallas, You are a moron. How is the fact that UT beat OU on the field the only thing that matters? What about the fact that Texas Tech beat you on the field after controlling the entire game with the exception of a few minutes in the 4th quarter? What about the fact that OU spanked TT by 44 points after they beat you? And for you to say you don't care who is going to the B12 game is a straight up lie. If it wasn't eating you up you never would have mentioned it. So next Saturday while OU is playing for the B12 Title (again) you can sit at home and try to fool yourself that it doesn't matter. Maybe you can go visit Mack Brown and the two of you can cry on each others shoulder.
Bobby, Oklahoma City - Dec 2, 2008 at 10:48 am
Oklahoma only wants to talk about the Tech comparison...never about losing to Texas. I'll talk about losing to Tech all day long if you really think that's the best way to compare Texas & OU. I just thought it might be a better comparison to look at the game we played on the field on Oct. 11. Maybe that's absurd...to think that who won that game - on the field - would be the best way to decide who's the better team. Forgive me for thinking that Matt, Yukon.
As for who goes to the Big 12 game because of the 3-way tie...I really couldn't care less. Send Tech if you want. I don't care. You can have the Big 12 title game.
But Sooner fans have decided to start mouthing off about how great they are and how they're really a better team than Texas, EVEN THOUGH THEY LOST TO THEM. I'm setting that record straight. They're second-best. Texas is the better team. Oklahoma doesn't deserve to be ahead of Texas in any case. We're both 11-1. We beat you on the field. Period.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 10:21 am
Texas only wants to talk about beating OU, but never about losing to TT
Matt, Yukon - Dec 2, 2008 at 10:08 am
I should rephrase that. Whether OU pulls guys in the 4th qtr is irrelevant...when they're up by 4 or 5 touchdowns they've still got the 1st teamers in there and everyone in America knows it.
You're right, a win is a win. So why qualify all your wins compared to ours against similar opponents? According to you, it shouldn't matter. Well, whether we beat OSU by 4 or 44 doesn't matter. Whether you beat Tech by 40 doesn't matter. Whether Nebraska beat Colorado doesn't matter. Whether you beat TAMU by 1 or 101 doesn't matter.
What matters is we're both 11-1...AND WE BEAT YOUR TAILS ON OCT. 11. That's all that matters.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 9:59 am
D, get your facts straight. Bradford and company only played a couple of 4th quarters all year. And the last time I checked, if the offense scores 60 and the defense gives up 30 it still goes in the win column.
cindy, edmond - Dec 2, 2008 at 9:43 am
Who played best at the end of the season is meaningless to me. We played better through the ENTIRE season...especially on Oct. 11. That matters.
Just because your offense scores 60 points a game means nothing if your defense gives up 30. At the end of the day, you won a game. Just because Stoops leaves the starters in to run up the score and Mack takes his starters out in the 4th quarter doesn't mean OU won more dominantly that Texas.
The more dominant team won the game on Oct. 11. Period.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 9:39 am
You have no argument Michael. You're too busy trying to show that OU beating a team by 20 or 40 points (vs OSU or Tech) is more important than actually beating the team you're comparing yourself to (Texas). We won the RRR 45-35...you get over it.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 9:31 am
No, Texas did not thrash Tech or OSU. They only beat the team that did. That's my argument, Michael, OKC.
D, Dallas - Dec 2, 2008 at 9:28 am
Some observations:
1. Texas should be playing Missouri Saturday.
2. The BCS should have no role in deciding a conference's internal business.
3. Mack Brown is a media whore.
4. You would think Bob Stoops had been discovered to be an Al Qaeda cell leader the way the national media has reacted.
5. I expect to see Texas in the BCS title game regardless of who wins the Big 12 and SEC championships.
Mike, Hot Springs - Dec 2, 2008 at 6:50 am
Ok, if OU lost to OSU or Tech, then, under Texas's argument, Tech should go to KC! Tech would have just as strong of an argument for their shot at the Big 12 title. SO... Texas needed OU to beat Tech, they just didn't know it was going to be a thrashing. So the only chance Texas technically had was for OU to beat Tech. OU did so, thus creating the tie. Any way you spin it, 2 teams have a legitimate reason to play in KC. Strength of schedule did play a major role because OU played and beat TCU and Cincinnati. The only conference game Texas played that OU didn't was Mizzou, which is down this year. OU thrashed Tech and OSU, Texas did not.
Jess, Warr Acres - Dec 1, 2008 at 11:28 pm
D, you still here. Texas lost to Texas Tech. OU demolished Texas Tech. You have no argument... Get over it
Michael, Oklahoma City - Dec 1, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Sorry. My head was inserted. I meant "weak". My bust.
Chris, Hesston - Dec 1, 2008 at 10:19 pm
D, your argument about the conference schedule being tougher is fairly week. That is of no control by the Sooners. Besides, Nebraska beat Colorado which gives more credence to the Sooners. Yes, UT played Missouri. That is the ONLY team that OU did not play. What will you say if OU beats them this weekend? The two teams will have played a virtually IDENTICAL SCHEDULE. IF OU wins on Saturday, they will have navigated that schedule more precisely.
Don't lose late in Lubbock if you don't want to lose control of your own destiny. It's that simple.
THREE-WAY TIE.
Chris, Hesston - Dec 1, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Well I guess this changes to 'The eyes of Texas are upon OU'
josh, yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Sorry, I meant to say play for their sixth conference title in the last 8 years. He basically said that OU just laid out their case on the field that night and that the rest would be up to how the people voted and the computers. I can't remember if he made mention that OU beat Tech 65-21 and that Texas had lost to Tech. He may have.
Jackson, albuquerque - Dec 1, 2008 at 9:21 pm
It all boils down to WHO PLAYED BETTER AT THE END OF THE SEASON .And yes OU has more class! espn wow great coverage but didnt get to here what stoops said after the game was over can anyone tell me what happened or what stoops said in the interview with corso and those other 2 yahoos
paul, bokoshe - Dec 1, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Kudos to Bob Stoops for being a class act and taking the high road. In the end, justice prevailed! We all know that OU's gotten the short end of the stick on a lot of instant replay calls due to bad officiating through the years. Heads up high Sooners!!! You're going to the Big XII Championship game to play for your fifth conference title in the last 8 years.
Jackson, albuquerque - Dec 1, 2008 at 9:00 pm
And if your only answer is 45-35 which was a good game by Texas then I'm done listening.
BTW, 39-33
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:57 pm
First, OU had a team pull out and had to fill the date and couldn't get anyone with an open date other than Chatt, so why not at least have a scrimmage right?
As for conference, the only team you guys played that OU didn't was Mizzou who just lost to Kansas. Come on, you know that the best team in the north would be the 5th team in the south.
What i am saying for the last time is, Texas is behind OU in the BCS because strength of schedule.
I know you can't look into the future and see that Ark. is gonna suck, but the same can be said for Washington(who competed for a title in what 1998?). But, look at the other 3 teams that were scheduled. Texas is way to good to settle for easy wins and then grip when it hurts them later.
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Hey Matt...what do you think they do...sit down on September 1 and line up their schedule? Your argument is ridiculous. Did we play a weaker non-conference schedule than OU...yes. Did we play a stronger conference schedule than OU...yes. It's a wash. If you're going to do so much analysis on our non-conference schedule...then look at the whole schedule.
And, again, I'd say getting to play a I-AA team like Chattanooga should cancel out more than 1 of our games anyway. Hell, Tech played 2 of them!
Besides, we beat OU (schedule and all) on the field...why are we talking about the schedules? I guess so we can all be deflected away from the fact of 45-35!
D, Dallas - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I wouldn't be to shocked since you would have to buy season tickets to get a tickets for the game
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:46 pm
D, what did we score against those teams? what was our scores? we could argue this stuff all day. oh well, its all moot now. like matt said, i never said texas was a bad team. they beat us on OCT. 11th and it wont change. they're BCS #3 and can still play for a NC which is saying alot. they'd beat any of these other teams ranked in the top 10 just like OU can. i'd just like a rematch, you know like in boxing. this year the BCS was on our side, no telling what it does to us in the future. the positve is that changes will be made. the system has to get better. whoever the horns face, hope they fair well!
rob, wagoner - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I heard that the Bedlam game only had just over 49 thousand fans in the stadium. Anybody care to confirm the rumor?
Steve, Hobart - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:45 pm
TT played OSU in Lubbock, OU played them in Stillwater. What about texas only beating them by 4 in austin?
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Oh, and it was TEXAS LONGHORN players who said OU proved TT for who they really are, yet they still lost to them.
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Than explain this one to me. Didn't Tech beat osu by by 36? So why did ou only beat osu by 20?
We'll take Texas on BTW.
Trojan, Santa Barbara - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:42 pm
OSU held your offense to 28 IN AUSTIN!!! WE scored 61 IN STILLWATER.
Texas did beat OU and TT beat Tex and OU beat TT. THREE WAY TIE! Why is it that Texas always wants to throw TT out and talk head to head?
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:41 pm
different year, different team. the SOONERS are ready for another title........#8 to be exact! florida, bama, texas or usc!
rob, wagoner - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:38 pm
And if losing Ryan Reynolds in the middle of battle makes that much difference...it doesn't speak too well of the rest of your team, now does it?
So you think UT couldn't beat OU right now...just like OU couldn't beat UT (proven fact, not hypothetical) in October...
Matt, I never said Tech was sooooo bad. I said we lost to them in Lubbock. You beat them in Norman. Since it's such a HUGE difference to beat a team in their house, then that makes our loss to Tech in Lubbock about the same as them losing to you in Norman. You Sooners all want to qualify your loss to Texas with everything but the reality...you lost to the better team...on a neutral field.
While we're analyzing common opponents, why did you let Okie State score 41 on your defense? Why did you let Kansas score 31? Aggies scored 28?
We all saw for ourselves what happens to OU when they run up against a stout defense...they lose 43-35. I can't wait to see how your "prolific" offense handles another great defense like Alabama or Florida.
Oh, well, I guess you can always blame another big BCS loss on the refs or the half-time loss of your all-world MLB Balogun.
D, Dallas - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:37 pm
trojan...........yall lost 2 OSU( oregon state university) and have played absolutely no one!!! our OSU would beat you worse dude! you have 2 score to win and ur offense stuggled against notre dame. c'mon homie, not da dame! we owe USC some get back but it cant be this year cause yallz BCS juice isnt strong enuff. so i'ma keep askin for dat texas rematch. its still possible! BOOMER SOONER
rob, wagoner - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:34 pm
So D, the only thing you can say to stick up for your sorry non-conference is to blast the 2 bad teams we played? At least we played 2 good teams and not 4!!!
And Trojan, there is no comparison between Dallas and Stillwater.
What you both are failing to realize, is that I am not blasting Texas. I think they are a good football team that has a fair arguement about being left out. I am just saying it's their own fault for not playing ANY good teams in their non-conference.
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:32 pm
No, lets have OU play Florida. We have already seen OU play Texas.
Trojan, Santa Barbara - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:30 pm
why dont yall schedule TCU? really? used to be a rivalry right? not our fault UW isnt what they used to be just like ARK. but hey, TCU would smoke rice, Cincy would smoke Utep! which florida team did yall play? c'mon D, just get mack and co. to sway america's vote to catapult yall over florida when they beat bama and we're good to go. RED RIVER REMATCH MIAMI STYLE!!!!!!!!!!
rob, wagoner - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Excuse me, a neutral site, not a home site.
Trojan, Santa Barbara - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:26 pm
LOL!!! That is great D!!! Your argument (that the Cotton Bowl being in Texas nullifies it as a neutral site, therefore, applying the same standard, OU’s game in Stillwater must be home game for OU) is a substantial argument. Out of all of the comments that I have read on this page, your comment is one of the best. Hats off to you, as much as I don’t like Texas.
My guess is that you will not get an answer to your comment though. These Okies have a way of either ignoring your comment, or simply responding with an insult (see Jason’s comment). They may not be smart enough to respond otherwise. (Lahoma and Belier are prime examples). Besides they are too busy bragging.
Lets see though.
Regardless, the Sooners will get blasted in the National Title game. Alabama has the defense to handle them, but not much offense. So OU can beat Alabama. Florida will be a different story. Florida can play a little defense, plenty of enough to slow OU down. And trust me, Florid will score, and score plenty, on that OU so-called joke of a defense. It is going to be especially funny if their other linebacker is hurt. Florida is THE best offence that OU will face.
If their really is a god up there, then OU fans had better start praying that Alabama somehow beats Florida. Maybe Florida will have a bad day or something.
Trojan, Santa Barbara - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Matt, I liked your schedule too...0-11 Washington and....FCS Tenn-Chatanooga?? Are you kidding?
It's not UT's fault that Arkansas sucks this year...just like it's not your fault that Miami will suck again next year, right? I'll bet you right now that Rice or UTEP could take Washington or Tenn-Chat to the woodshed. We all know it's nothing more than luck when you happen to schedule teams that end up well. You don't know when you schedule them sometimes years in advance.
Besides, you can beat up on TCU & Cincinnati all you want because we all know how you'll fare against the Boise State's of the world when it really counts.
D, Dallas - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:22 pm
we lost to texas because of questionable officiating, our middle linebacker who was having an all big 12 season was lost, and replay wasnt used properly! texas is a good team. they are probably a BCS team. but not better than OU right now. they could not beat the SOONERS right now. i know the horns beat us early but since football is a game of inches then i guess we won the BCS inch war late! i'd like to play UT again. vote UT ahead of florida when they beat BAMA and we'll be back in business. REMATCH: OU vs. UT in MIAMI! get mack to lobby that!!!!
rob, wagoner - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Oh, and D, if Tech is sooo bad that OU beat them like a red-headed step child, then why did they beat you guys? Explain that! And while you are at it, how come you only beat OSU by 4 at home?
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Quote from D "It's also hilarious how for the first time ever, we're hearing that the Cotton Bowl is not a neutral field. It's in Texas"
All real Sooner fans know that Barry Switzer said it first. He said Dallas may be half way in between Austin and Norman, but everytime he looks at a map, Dallas is STILL in Texas.
Like I said, if you want to cry, go cry to Mack for the sorry non-conference schedule that Texas plays year in and year out! That is why Texas is left out in the cold!!!!!!!
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:10 pm
D, Dallas...Don't you know that they lost to Texas because their middle linebacker got hurt and the officials all live in Texas! That's what they have been saying since October.
Steve, Flower Mound - Dec 1, 2008 at 8:02 pm
It's funny to me that not a single Sooner fan posting has any explanation for their loss to Texas. They're only response is..."well UT lost to Tech and we demolished Tech." The reason they have no explanation is this...there's no explaining getting your butts kicked by the better team. They can only hope to deflect by bringing up UT's loss to Tech. And they also fail to bring up that they had the benefit of playing Tech in Norman, while we lost in Lubbock...a place where OU hasn't fared too well lately either.
It's also hilarious how for the first time ever, we're hearing that the Cotton Bowl is not a neutral field. It's in Texas, therefore...it's really a Texas home game (forget the fact that the stadium splits right down the middle between UT and OU fans).
Well, by that standard, Stillwater isn't a road game either. So the fact that you won in Stillwater means little.
Again, I'm waiting to hear Sooner fans tell us all why they lost to the Horns.
D, Dallas - Dec 1, 2008 at 7:33 pm
As an OU fan, I believe Texas has a complaint. But, so does TT and so would OU if Texas would have made it in the title game.
But if Texas fans really want to complain, they should do so to Mack Brown. The ONLY reason OU is in and not Texas is because Texas did not schedule anyone decent for their non-conference. So, instead of Mack crying to the nation (which is sad cause he is a good coach), maybe he should look at what he can do to increase his strength of schedule.
I'm glad Bob didn't get so low as to campaign during Texas win against A&M.
Go Sooners!!!!!!!!!!
Matt, Yukon - Dec 1, 2008 at 7:12 pm
The Longhorns argument would not get them in the Big 12 Championship. They are making an argument for Texas Tech. It is LOW CLASS for Texas to get on their high horse about this head to head business when Texas Tech whipped them in one of those two head to heads. As for all those fools on ESPN and elsewhere, if they want to argue for head to head to prevail, they should be arguing for Tech.
Jerry, Atl
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