Burt, it sounds like Dr. J. beat you up in Middle School or something. Or maybe you're part of the old Moderate crowd that is still stinging from the Conservative Resurgence 30 years ago? Either way, you don't know what you're talking about. Local churches set their giving percentages to the BGCO. It they don't like the direction of the state convention, they can turn off the support at any time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary, it's obvious that you have no idea who the Pharisees of the Bible were. Your ignorance could only be overshadowed by your total cluelessness of who Baptists are.

Burt, I cannot believe what I just read. The line beneath your post says, "report:inappropriate language." I did not report it, but your language is inappropriate, unbiblical and uncalled for. If you have differences with Dr. Jordan the Bible gives clear directions on the appropriate way to handle them; posting on the internet is not one of them. Your words harm the cause of Christ, divide the body of Christ and puts a smile on Satan's face. I congratulate the new president of the BGCO on his election and join with him in praying for a great spiritual awakening. It's obvious that we need one.

Baptists = modern day Pharisees

Burt, you certainly make some interesting points, but it seems you are harboring some ill will for not only Jordan and the BGCO, but Baptists all across this state. I can assure you (based on my family's involvement) that the BGCO works hard at everything it sets out to do in this state. I have seen the fruits. Like Jordan, I was against Henry as governor because he was a Christian and Southern Baptist whose stances on several issues were contradictory to those of his own church. But, as in any election, I put my support behind the winner of the election even if we don't agree on everything. As for your comments on money, the BGCO is not all about taking it in and paying corporate salaries. I can tell you that those who earn nice salaries (not exorbitant by any means) deserve them because of the hard work they do for churches and the organization across the state. In one of my relative's cases, he probably should be paid more for what he does. I would add that if you give your tithe directly to your church, only a small percentage of the church's receipts go to the BGCO anyway. And what about paying your own church's overhead? And as far as Falls Creek goes, a lot of the money poured into it has come from donations. And yes, it's easy to gain thousands of decisions in an environment like FC, but you can always wonder about anyone if their decision is genuine. The fact of the matter is that only God and the person making the decision really know about how genuine the decision is. Falls Creek is a place where the Gospel is shared and people respond. No minister, administrator or ogranization can count genuine decisions. The last thing I will say is that if you have so many questions and so much negative to say about the BGCO and Jordan, why not become more involved than you already are? Take some action. It's too easy to sit in front of the screen and type using a name no one knows.

Burt - may I suggest you read Matthew 7:1-5??

I wouldn't dispute Burt's issues because I am not as close to some of this as he apparently is. However, let's not forget the Disaster Relief work that is done. I believe there is a Pastor's widow who was loved on in her time of need in a very generous way with a check. The ccoperative program(s) does a great work in a number of relational ways. So let's please not forget the BGCO is far more than the few at the top. Also, let's commit to pray that God will have His way, not just with this but throughout our country and world. II Chronicles 7:14!

Congratulations, Pastor!!!

We were promised a spiritual awakening after the past 20 Evangelism converences and conventions. Where are they? Why haven't Oklahoma Baptists reached this state for God? The answer is simple. The BGCO under the leadership of Anthony Jordan is irrevelant. He goes around courting people like Brad Henry and Bob Funk then rebukes them when their personal lives and political affiliations are made public. Jordan did everything in this world to keep Henry from being elected as governor. Then he made a 180 degree turn and embraced him as his friend and then named high prices seats in the tabernacle at Falls Creek after him. He gave Henry the highest honor the BGCO could throw at him. Jordan serves whatever interest is popular. He was all giddy about Bob Funk until Bob admitted to having an affair. Bob is in the middle of a divorce and now Jordan has abandoned him like the plague. Electing an Indian to the ceremonial position of president is ensuring those casino tithes can come rolling in. Hey, the BGCO is always concerned about the influx of cash as they have peaved enough people to leave the convention and join one of these television network churches. They have also convinced me that direct giving is the most Biblical way to give. If you bypass all the "administrative" expenses you can do much more good for this world than sending it to 3800 N. May. Afterall they have to buy new vehicles and pay all those corporate level salaries up there with the tithes that flow in like Niagra Falls. Don't get me wrong people, you must give a tithe and offering. This is not a choice, its a Biblical mandate. But Jesus did NOT want you to give your tithe to the Pharisees. He in fact rebuked Pharisees. He wanted you to reach out to a person in need. He did not intend for you to buy someone a new crown victoria or Lincoln Navigator every two years. He wanted you to build your local church as to reach those local people. The president of the BGCO is a figurehead position. It has no relevance except ceremonial. The executive board and Jordan make all policy decisions. Jordan is a dictator and serves at his own will. He cannot be terminated. Its that mistake in the BGCO constitution that has made the convention a possible target for Satan to directly attack. If you have absolute rule, you have absolute control. What perfect way to run a corporation. Falls Creek is a great place and is ringing record numbers. I'm sure it will continue to ring up those great attendance numbers and fill those record books at 3800. Afterall, records, numbers, cash, income, is what its all about according to my bible. Being popular with pop culture is what my Bible says is important. Entertaining the masses with popular speech and making people feel good is the goal of my Bible. I'm so glad my Bible is so enlightening on this subject. I guess if you have 2000 people per week make a conversion, you should hope that 1 percent are genuine. So if you follow the Bailey Smith formula, you should convert the entire attending group. That way you will at least snag a few people with a genuine decision. So in an average week at F.C. you bring in 48,000 decisions (multiple sessions), you would hope that possibly 200 people have made a serious decision.