State says challenge is ‘premature'

By Devona Walker
Published: November 7, 2007

The attorney general's office asked a federal court on Tuesday to throw out a legal challenge to Oklahoma's new immigration law, considered one of the toughest in the nation.

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"We are arguing it's a premature lawsuit. The state court should sort out the alleged ambiguities of the statutes before the federal court makes a determination as to constitutionality,” said Charlie Price, spokesman for Attorney General Drew Edmondson.

It's the second time such arguments have been made.

The lawsuit was filed by the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Religious Leaders, multiple John and Jane Doe plaintiffs, a handful of Oklahoma businesses and two churches.

What are legal arguments?
Briefs filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court argued the lawsuit, which names Gov. Brad Henry and Attorney General Drew Edmondson as defendants, should be dismissed on four grounds:

•The federal court does not have proper jurisdiction over a statute that has allegedly violated the Oklahoma constitution.

•Henry and Edmondson are improper defendants in the case, without any direct connection with the statutes.

•The court should "abstain from hearing” the case to avoid conflicting with "important state functions.”

•The plaintiffs cannot prove the law has caused them concrete harm.

"We are not arguing on the merits of the case,” Price said. "We are arguing the exact same things as we did last time. There is no need for a lawsuit,” Price said, adding that the state maintains the plaintiffs involved have not been harmed by the law. House Bill 1804 hadn't taken effect when the first lawsuit was filed Oct. 15.

The plaintiffs have until Thursday to file a response.

Judge James Payne dismissed the case Oct.22, on the grounds the plaintiffs had no standing.

The plaintiffs refiled Oct. 25, and amended the lawsuit on Oct. 31, a few hours before a hearing in which they were arguing for a temporary injunction. Payne denied the 11th-hour injunction that would have blocked HB 1804 from going into effect the next day.Payne said the plaintiffs failed to bring evidence to show the law would cause irrevocable harm. He did not weigh in on the merits of the case.


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janice i love you. would you take me out for a date? and janice...do you have a daughter?
Randy, Moore - Nov 11, 2007 11:03 PM
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its a tiny fraction. most of the 44000 illegals...no randy its not 3 million(double oklahomas population.). pay taxes and dont get a refund for fear of deportation. think about this debbie...your an illegal working in oklahoma...for joe blow roofing....making 6 to 9 dollars an hour...been here 10 years..have two kids born here... Randy says...Deport them....you and me(tax payers) pay for jail time, court fees, lawyer fees, and a bus ride back to mexico....you were this guy, you come back to your family? every mexican, asian, african, european will be coming to oklahoma for a free trip home... think about it... whats better for oklahoma? and you? paying for these peoples deportation? or just letting a man roof a house and feed his family. i agree with the bill in this sense....illegal is illegal. but sometimes the harder road is the one that must be plowed. their is almost alway more than one way to skin a cat. oklahoma cant defend our borders. this is allready costing millions of our doolars, dollars that are not going to needy kids mouths, new bridges and roads, tax cuts, better education standards. this is just a bullcrap law written by a career politician to divide the state and get a higher political position. Terrill doesnt care about oklahoma...never has never will..
Randy, Moore - Nov 11, 2007 11:03 PM
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Robin: You spelled a word wrong, it should be spelled," SEPARATES."
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 9, 2007 4:27 PM
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My present husband is pretty content Janice we get along great ! Thanks for caring& if I do die tonight I will die with a hell of a lot more class than you will ever have! Your ignorance is amazing but I wouldn't trade it for anything , it's what seperates us !!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 8, 2007 9:34 PM
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Jason: BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 7:22 PM
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janice i think your comments get better after youve had a couple drinks. a nobody from nowhere. to lame for anyone to date outside the kkkk. you may have won some battles...but the wars been over for years...
Randy, Moore - Nov 7, 2007 6:03 PM
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Robin: Now aren't you a good one to be talking about someone being on the computer all day!!!!! What have you been doing every day for the past few days but typing away all day long on the computer. NO, it did not take me this long to figure out that you were not still married to your son's father. I had no reason to mention it until now. Is there nothing else in your life going on, as you stated about me. Your husband is probably happy that you are on the computer, that way, he does not have to contend with you. Your comment,"ILL BRED IDIOT," certainly proves what a lower class person you really are. Your comment, "That I will eventually die and rot." I guess with your feeble mentality, you will live forever. Surprise, surprise, you won't. For all you know, you could die tonight. THINK ON THAT ONE!!!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 5:38 PM
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Harvey: From your post, you are no "spring chicken." Another saying from "MY ERA." Thanks, but I am very pleased with my lifestyle. I put in my years of hard work , and now I am going to enjoy life to the fullest.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 5:19 PM
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Elvia: I am far from being a bag lady. Your comment about being old, surprise, surprise, we all get old sooner or later. Or, are you going to be the exception? With your mentality, you probably think you are immortal.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 5:14 PM
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Robin, apology accepted. And by all means, we all need to keep an open mind about all this. Yes! that includes you to Janice...my old bag lady friend.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 4:46 PM
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Robin, you notice there are only three of us still responding to this I guess we are the three diehard proponents and opponents and you are probably more of the mediator. You know Americans are fickle and no one is committed to any cause. Even the ones charged with the enforcement of the laws will get lethargic and it will be (hopefully) an instance where this law is on the books but it isn't worth the paper it is written on. I live in some apts and I have seen a lot of activity on the Northside with immigrants (notice on speculation about legal or illegal). However, I did hear that Saturday and Sunday that activity was very subdued on the Southside and that may be the extent of it, people are inconvenienced for one weekend. I am sure this issue is not over and we can get Janice's old battery to throw a few more sparks!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 4:34 PM
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Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks very poorly of you, Janice.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 4:33 PM
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Janice, Harvey is much kinder than I am , You have nothing figured out & thank God you are not being paid to think. I think very highly of my ex-husband & would hate for him to get into trouble, but if he does it is his own fault & did it take you all this time to figure out I was not married to the man? Damn your good. Harvey, this ill bred idiot has no potential, she will eventually die & then rot like the rest of us. And just where are you Janice ?? Typing away behind some computer with nothing else in your life going on???? Nobody cares about you or your hateful outlook on the Hispanic people & if this Hb gets overturned it will be because of people like you , maybe that is your plan could be your against it & hoping to keep the hate going for momentum???
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 4:21 PM
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Janice, such an antiquated term for someone a BLOW HARD! You are of a different era. Some people may like that term and be proud to be called that. For an elderly lady I am sure that you could get up-to-date with the internet and all the other technologies at your disposal. You have a lot of potential and if you could just get started, I don't think you are nearing the end. I think that you are just getting started. Good Luck!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 3:55 PM
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Janice: Meaning that you can see me? Someone of my caliber? Which is what? How would you know? Take a look in the mirror first. And frankly I don't give a rats a@@ what you think. I live well and never have I asked you or anyone for sh!t to support me or my family. Thank you very much!
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 3:49 PM
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Latinain: I really do not care what someone of your caliber thinks of me!!!! Look where I am, and then take a good look at where you are, my dear.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 3:40 PM
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Harvey: I read that article and I think that is a good thing. We have enough scam artist and other people who do shoddy work, we certainly do not need more. I agree with that article 120 percent. That has been a long time in coming and I am glad it has finally come to past.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 3:36 PM
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Wow! and all of this is because of Illegal’s, who would of thought that Latinos, Hispanics, Mexicans or whatever you want to call them/us, were going to be the topic of the year! Good Luck Janice, I really do hope that someday, you will end in good terms with everyone in here. You really need help.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 3:34 PM
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Janice see article HB 1804 has changed many licensing rules.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 3:14 PM
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Janice the space shuttle just returned to Earth today and one of the things they did was to help repair a solar panel on the international space station. To many Star Wars movies. Wasn't Flash Gordon a part of your childhood entertainment? Flash Gordon had all sorts of neat gadgets. Well the gadgets of fantasy in your youth are now obsolete. We are far advanced.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 3:11 PM
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Robin: I figured you out quite some time ago. Your stance on illegal immigration is for personal revenge. You stated in one post that your husband was a retired state worker, then in another post, you stated that your son and his father ran a business that hired illegals. So, one would only assume that you are no longer married to your son's father, and with the passage of H.B. 1804, you could "STICK" it to your ex-husband!!!!!! Revenge, revenge. I would welcome any means or whatever it takes to get the illegals out of the U.S. As for Harvey, he is what people would refer to as a "BLOW-HARD."
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 3:11 PM
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Janice in Harvey's defense he is anything but ignorant, I think it is you that got the kkk thing started in this discussion & if that isn't ignorance I don't know what is? But you are right I was very happy thinking that people like you did not exist & then you reared your head!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 2:25 PM
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Harvey: There you go again, putting words in people's mouths. I have not one time threatened a riot. It must be nice to be so well informed , worldly, and intelligent as you. No. I am not trying to intimidate anyone. I was just stating facts. There is an old saying, "IGNORANCE IS BLISS" and it seems as though in your case, it is. I think you have been watching too many "STAR WARS" series.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 2:19 PM
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Janice you are the only one that has been threatening a riot and using the KKK to intimidate. Your not intimidating me. Don't you know that minute that the KKK made threats they came under constant surveillance. I am not talking about someone parked in a vehicle across the street. I am talking about technology that is in space monitoring unsuspecting people. On the internet there is a video clip of terrorist being blown away from a weapon over two miles up in the air. Do you think they even seen it coming? There were I think 4 of them and in a matter of seconds they were talking to Allah in person. After the Oklahoma City Bombing all domestic groups that don't conform to the agenda have been scrutinzed. I am sure that all of the membership in Oklahoma has been recorded somewhere. I know in KS the KSBI documented their 31 militia groups in the state and educated everyone that needed to know as to their characteristics. No one is hiding from anyone. Janice, they know how many people are asleep in your home on any given night. Unless you have lead based paint on your roof they can even monitor with heat sensors what you are doing, such as making love. That is probably how they know that the KKK is a homosexual friendly organization that Jason mentioned earlier. Yeah they are real men and women. I guess that gives new meaning to the term he is a man's man.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 1:14 PM
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P.S. On the President if we went by approval rating we would have to take a hard look at your new congress as I believe they have an even lower rating !!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 12:50 PM
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Janice, I personally hope one of those sheeted fools lives next door to me . It would most definitely bring out my redneck side & I just might set his yard on fire. I do not live in fear of the KKK , I would like to see this organization done away with & if that seems like a nasty attitude then I guess I have one.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 12:48 PM
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Harvey, I think if you have documents that are not legal to start with you can probably get foodstamps, the problem with dhs is they did not until now, have to check a database, if I read the article right , it is possible that they may have been doing this all along. Like I said before the whole dhs system needs to be reformed & they need to get realistic about how much a person can make before being turned down & there are just as many white, black & indian people screwing the system , not just illegal aliens. But Harvey, if an illegal alien can get a forged dl & ss card don't you think they can collect welfare?
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 12:44 PM
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I am not going to bad-mouth the KKK, there could be one living right next door and I may not even know about it. That is one group of people that I would not want on my bad side. They do have their way of obtaining information.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 12:44 PM
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What's all the fuss about these days?
J.T.(I), Norman - Nov 7, 2007 12:39 PM
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ROBIN, ROBIN, you do have a nasty attitude.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 12:32 PM
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Harvey: I have to take my 87 year old Mother to D.H.S. with all kinds of documentation, so she can continue drawing her $10.00 a month in food stamps.I will ask D.H.S. if people in this country illegally can draw food stamps, and if so, how. I also copied the article in the paper about the illegal in Oklahoma drawing food stamps from three differant counties, two counties in Oklahoma and one county in Texas. I am going to show that article to D.H.S.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 12:29 PM
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The last k was for kook
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 12:20 PM
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Janice, take the last clean sheet & join the kkkk, I think you could be the Grand Dragon before the year ends !!!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 12:19 PM
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Robin: No, not from the beginning of time, just since he has been in office. Last I heard, a 34 percent approval rating???
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 12:18 PM
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Well then I apologize as well if I came off as some kind of person that dislikes Hispanic people . There is good & bad in every race, My point was I thought that this Hb would just help out a little in trying to get a grip on things such as what my friend is going through , he can't be tracked because he was here illegally. I don't want to argue with anyone except Harvey & that's only because it makes it so easy . lol!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 12:18 PM
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I just heard on the news that they are going to impeach Dick Chaney. GOOD. Maybe George Bush will be next.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 12:14 PM
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That was not my intention at all Robin. I apologize.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 12:10 PM
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Is there anything that the President is not guilty of ? According to you he is responsible for everything that has ever happened since the beginning of time!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 11:59 AM
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Janice, I am all for the HB1804 but bringing the kkk in on this would probably really get things fired up & over turned. So joining a hate group is not the answer . I thought that this HB was about all illegal immigrants not just hispanics as the KKK stated, If this were to turn into a race issue & the KKK got involved then I would have to change my opinion on supporting such a bill.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 11:56 AM
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PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS, ON OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!!If our government would focus more on OUR country and LESS on other countries, we would not be having this problem now. George Bush and his "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AXIS OF EVIL. etc. HOGWASH!!!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 11:56 AM
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Thanks Harvey, I will let her know & Elvia all you want to do is argue I have no time for such Ignorance you are not helping anyones cause .
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 11:50 AM
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HARVEY AND JASON: You both seem to like quoting history so well, why not read up on the TULSA RACE RIOTS. Jason, you may not join in the riot, but there are plenty of Americans that would!!!!!!
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 11:45 AM
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Have we ever established that illegals get state food assistance or is that just one of our mistaken notions? I have heard it said repeatedly that that is not the case. Someone that really knows please respond and those of you that operate from conjecture please refrain. Also, Robin there are churches with food pantries that don't require a referral from everyone and their brother.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 11:40 AM
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Your friend's case or my sister's had nothing to do with illegal immigrants or legal. Apparently that was a long time ago and this is now. To me, this is just a way for you to add more wood to your fire against illegals.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 11:37 AM
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Jason, What are you blabbering about ????
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 11:25 AM
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if you cant afford that...then your not paying enough taxes...so stfu.
Randy, Moore - Nov 7, 2007 11:22 AM
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Elvia, I think if you go back & read my post I stated that this could have happened just as easily with a legal immigrant but that he may have been a little easier to track Which does have something to do with HB1804 Illegal Immigration.HARVEY, I said that I was getting food out of my cabinet to help her, but I can't support a whole other family, I do not have enough money to do that. Wht can every illegal immigrant with fake documents get help & my friend can't ?? Life is not fair, but this is ridiculous.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 11:17 AM
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Robin, if it were my friend I would pull the money out of my own pocket and give it to her. Yes, I have done that before. A couple of years ago I bought my nephew a can of baby formula and almost fell over when it was about $14.00 for a itty bitty can. But that is the only thing his system would tolerate.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 11:06 AM
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Janice do you know what a Camellion is? Think about it. This group can operate in broad daylight and think they know everyone that is watching them and take for granted that everyone that is watching support them. In reality, they would be getting the goods on them. Any violence directed against someone because of a quality such as race, would be considered a hate crime and is a felony much the same as these Americans that employ, harbor, or transport an illegal.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 11:02 AM
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Robin, excuse me but I have to say that, my sister had the same problem with her ex and he is Caucasian born American Citizen and never received a dime from him either. So been legal or not had nothing to do with it. It’s how men play the game. Has nothing to do with 1804.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 10:57 AM
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Having been hungry on rare occasions in my life, I can sympathize. I agree $11.00 an hour is not a lot with two kids. Right now I only have myself and I can't make it with what I make. Child support enforcement got me and my brother. If they can get a lead on him period, he will have to pay no matter what. That is if he ever came back to the country. My niave teenage niece fell in love with an illegal that was much older than her. After they split up he kidnapped the kids. She was distraught, he was much older than her. She didn't even know where in Mexico he was from. Luckily she was pretty young and I told her, "you are a woman, he is a man, loose that 15-20 lbs, fix your hair, put on your make-up, get dolled up and go to where you know he would go and hang out. Keep going back and he will show up when he does act non-chalant. Don't approach him let him approach you. When he brings up the kids don't act no way and if he agrees to getting together take him up on it". She was young and executed this plan in about 2-3 weeks. Her mother is huge and is her auntie. They were waiting for them in the car at a local restuarant, when he went to pay she ushered them out to the 2 door car and put them in the back seat. Eventhough he screamed, hollered and cried, there was no way he could get past that 600 lbs of flesh in a compact car! He was a little guy and his waist probably was smaller than their thighs, and their arms larger than his legs. My niece ordered them to drive off and leave with kids and then she had to make her escape from him on her own. Maybe that story would be useful in someway.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 10:57 AM
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i will never be on the same side as the KKK. they have turned into a homosexual support group anyways. and they had better wear their sheets because they could be considered a terrorist group. bunch of pansy's. they would get their tails whooped if they came to edmond .
Randy, Moore - Nov 7, 2007 10:52 AM
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Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 10:50 AM
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Harvey: Since when is it a "HATE CRIME" when someone enforces the law? What planet are you and the illegals on??? You and the illegals had better start using some plain old "COMMON HORSE SENSE." Read and watch the video on Tulsa Fox 23 News, and what the KKK is saying. If I was in Oklahoma illegally, I would be getting out as fast as I could, if not for my own safety, then for the SAFETY OF MY CHILDREN. If there is one group of people that I would be scared to death of, it would be the KKK. Those people mean what they say.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 10:46 AM
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The only problem with this HB 1804 law: is that it influenced those in opposition, to lash at it with anger, and inflexible prejudice opinions. Uncompromising mentality only causes deception and detriment to this country. And also builds hate and fury against each other. What a waste of time.
Elvia, Oklahoma - Nov 7, 2007 10:39 AM
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Harvey, I never once said that you could tell by looking at someone if they were legal or not . Where do you come up with this stuff? But I will say that my experience at Wal-Mart wasn't nearly as traumatic as usual. I just watched the KKK thing on a video clip, fox23.com I think the KKK is a little extreme!! Harvey, I don't know if you will get the point I am trying to make but I am going to tell you a story of a friend of mine , She called last night for help. She married an illegal alien 15 years ago , she loved him they divorced, he left the country evidently, two kids now 15 & 17 she tried to find him for child support he can't be tracked, she makes 11.00 hr tried to get foodstamps they said she makes to much money to qualify, she was crying last night because her gets are hungry. Point is had this guy been legal maybe they could find him & maybe if illegals were not sucking the system dry she may have been able to get the foodstamps ( her first mistake ,telling the truth) This could have happened just as easily with a legal immigrant but they may have been able to find him & I would not be trying to figure out how to feed those children for the next couple of weeks. Got any answers Harvey????
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 10:27 AM
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Robin, on your outing to Walmart how many illegals were at the construction site? Could you tell which ones were illegal, which ones had green cards, and which ones had work visas? If you can tell by looking why don't you write a how to guide and publish it. You would make a lot of money and beings it could be used as an educational resource for law enforcment, your sales would be gauranteed!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:59 AM
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Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:54 AM
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J: Tulsa Fox 23 News showed Randy Terrill on their 9:00 P.M. newscast last night. That is when he made the statement.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:54 AM
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Harvey, Your back & as hateful as you ever were !!! Glad your feeling better . Anyway just wanted to let you know Harvey that I don't look for trouble I just wait for it to happen. What are you ranting about today? People that look like ticks?? Harvey, There is no room in politics for the church , they have a job it is to give spiritual guidance, to suck the money from the beleivers & whine when the plate is in jeopardy !!!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Nov 7, 2007 9:44 AM
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Janice-where did you find that comment from Randy Terrill about churches losing tax exempt status?
J, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:40 AM
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Lawyers is this law in violation of the Hate Crimes Act of 2004 and 2007. Isn't this state sponsored hate? It unfairly targets, Mexicans! Yes, I said it. That is the predominant class of illegals in Oklahoma. Yeah sure, we have Guatamaulans, El Salvadoreas, Costa Ricans, maybe a spattering of Asians, Europeans, and Middle Easterns. Maybe you Lawyers can prove that this law unfairly targets Mexicans and then we will have a class of people that are unfairly singled out for Ethnic Cleansing.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:32 AM
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Oh Goody, the author of hate bill (HB 1804) in violation of the Hate Crimes Act of 2007 is threatening the Church. Boy Howdy- I would tread very carefully especially in light of the fact that the words says that the Lord control our very breath. I don't doubt that a well placed blood clot would be in the making. Remember the prayers and the hatred toward Ho Chi Minh? Okay Lawyers, there is another avenue to proceed with. Janice who is going to do all this hard physical labor. Just look at the kids and it is the parents fault, they look like engorged ticks on a dog during the summer. They have big round middles and stick arms and legs. They can barely lift themselves off the Dining room table chair let alone do any physical labor and the gluttonous parents are just as bad. Automation is not going to solve every problem or task. I'd imagine a flat tire would always have to be changed by hand. Robin's going to drive by a construction site in Yukon to see if the illegals have departed. She can tell who has a green card or work visa by driving by the construction site. Yeah right!
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:29 AM
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Tulsa Fox 23 News, has an article on their website pertaining to the KKK and the immigration issue. As for the churches that say they will not obey H.B. 1804, Randy Terrill said that they would loose their tax exempt status if they did not abide by H.B. 1804.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:12 AM
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Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:05 AM
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Pawpaw: Any mother, or parent, that would refuse to seek medical treatment for a child that needed it, regardless of the reason, should have the child taken from them. As a mother myself, I would wade through fire, literally, to seek medical treatment for my child if my child needed it.
Glenna, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2007 9:04 AM
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People are arrested over and over for driving with suspended licenses and no insurance, and these are legal citizens. I would like to see some enforcement in that area as a public safety measure.
Margaret, Holdenville - Nov 7, 2007 7:39 AM
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I have no problem with the law that specifies that persons arrested for felonies and DUIs should have their citizenship verified. I prefer conviction, but arrested is okay by me. The other provisions' benefits are a bit confusing to me. First, how does a child prove citizenship except by birth certificate and how does a child present this document before receiving medical care? Say, for example, a two year old? If you insist upon a parent presenting that document and the parent is not a "legal," thereby risking deportation, will the parent take the child in for medical care? Or not risk it and let the child suffer the consequences of an adult decision? In terms of the drivers' licences, it's a no- brainerfor me since I know there are a lot of unlicensed drivers on the road anyway. It won't stop their driving, only their getting a license, and that's no different for them from the DUI, DWI offenders who drive anyway after having their licences suspended and/or confiscated. Still puts a lot of drivers on our roads without proper training and proper insurance. You know that if they disobey the immigration laws they aren't about to obey the traffic laws, right? Useless.
Percy F., Ardmore - Nov 7, 2007 6:28 AM
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