Stern: Good-faith effort was made by the Sonics
Stern: Good-faith effort was made by the Sonics
By Jeff Latzke
Published: April 15, 2008
Despite the release of e-mails that SuperSonics owner Clay Bennett exchanged last year with partners about moving the team to Oklahoma City, NBA commissioner David Stern says he is convinced Bennett made a good-faith effort to keep the team in Seattle.
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Shepard, Stonewall - Apr 17, 2008 at 1:51 am
Why wasn't there any posting like this a year ago? Good Morning Seattle!!!!
Shepard, Stonewall - Apr 17, 2008 at 1:46 am
Wonder if they would sell us that Space Needle to go along with the Sonics. It would probably be a little taller than the one we have at the fairgrounds.
Shepard, Stonewall - Apr 17, 2008 at 1:45 am
Jill, the plan offered by Bennett at the Renton site was the rejected Orlando Arena design...Big deal and the $100M offer is the estimate for naming rights. Face it, the guy is a total square head. The last thing the league needs is another team in a fly-over State. Ratings are down as it is without a dustbowl division.
Chris, Seattle - Apr 16, 2008 at 6:38 pm
"And the claim that we had our chance is getting old. We did not have a chance, Bennett made sure of that with his ridiculous proposals he new would never fly." Seattle's claim that Bennett's proposal was ridiculous is getting old. $450 million for the new Orlando arena. Getting close to a billion for Brooklyn's new arena. The Muckleshoots hired an independent consultant, and they got an estimate of over $400 million for an arena on their land. The Magic are paying only $50 million towards their new arena, and they're paying only one million dollars a year rent. Bennett offered $100 million. What he asked of Seattle would have built a very nice arena, but no nicer and no more expensive than Orlando's. Oklahoma City can spend less because our building costs are clearly far less than yours. A comparable house in OKC costs a third of what it does in Seattle, so i'm not surprised that an arena there would be considerably more expensive.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Apr 16, 2008 at 1:00 am
"Funny, how except for Travis, this has become a Seattle blog exclusively. And you call yourselves fans?" There's something I learned a long time ago, and keep forgetting. "Don't feed the trolls." This isn't where most of the fans post anyway.
Jill, www.okcthunderfans.com - Apr 16, 2008 at 12:52 am
Even the Seattle Times writers are dismissing it as pure PR ...**After consuming the drink, however, reality settled. Schultz's dire attempt to right his wrong is the longest of all shots. And though he probably won't admit it, he's motivated in part by a desire to suppress fan anger. If Seattle becomes an NBA ghost town, he doesn't want to walk around fearing for his coffee beans.*
ROGER, MOORE - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:37 pm
The two letters that sum up your lame post are BS. If you cant tell Schultz's suit is a major problem then you're in denial.
Bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:32 pm
"much more than a PR move for Schultz's rep."...Not really...Those two letters sum up this lame stunt pretty well...Trying to save face with his community is all...Seattle is pulling out all stops to try and persuade the vote...Won't work
ROGER, MOORE - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Schultz dumped the Sonics because they were losing money. A large part of the blame can probably be dumped in his lap because of mismanagement (including alienating players), but from what I read, the lease terms weren't particularly favorable either. As I understand it, the problem isn't so much attendance (though it has been in the bottom third of the league since the 2002-2003 season) as the money made -- or not made, in this case -- from concessions, restaurants and other ancilliary revenue sources.
MartzMimic, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Why did Schultz dump Seattle in the first place? Just wondering?
Jeff, Tulsa - Apr 15, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Funny, how except for Travis, this has become a Seattle blog exclusively. And you call yourselves fans?
Chris, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 4:28 pm
The cool thing about the Schultz lawsuit is that very likely Stern will be asked to testify if not an outright co-defendent. He will be pulled away from his safety zone and made to answer questions about those "love" emails. Very interesting. Just listened to an interview on our sports radio show with a minor owner with Schultz and he said that they are all behind the effort...much more than a PR move for Schultz's rep. There are some angry folks up here..."Sic 'em!"
Chris, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Bennett & Gaylord entertainment were co-owners of the Spurs in the '90s. Gaylord Entertainment had a nice new arena built in Nashville and was hunting for a franchise to move way back then. This is part of the continued building of the Gaylord empire, which Clay married into.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Bennet was part owner of the Spurs a while back and Bennett bailed the NBA out when they needed a place for the Hornets to play. This is Sterns way of paying Bennett back for his loyality to the NBA.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Is it true that Stern and Bennett are long time friends? I saw that on ESPN.com, but haven't heard anything more about it. If that's the case, why does it matter what Stern says about Bennett's "good faith"? It's all a bunch of horse excrement. They're doing it simply because (they think) they can. There isn't any economical incentive, and every show on ESPN is ripping the NBA apart. The reputation of the NBA is going to suffer along with the city of Seattle. And you know what else, forget about Tulsa. You have to drive 100 miles to reach a total fan base of half a million people. We have that in downtown Seattle alone. Hasn't Clay noticed that people are leaving that part of the country? And guess what else! They're moving to the northwest. No one can win here.
LickBallsClay, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Travis, Bennett said a Key Arena remodel was out of the question. He was offered free land by one of our Indian tribes to build an arena, he never called back. He never spoke to our mayor, despite countless calls from the mayors office. He would only approve the Renton site (the $500 million). 18 months ago Stern asked the state to consider remodeling Key Arena when Schultz owned the team. So apparently, Key Arena has become obsolete in 18 months. I can not substantiate this, but I heard that the arena plans Bennett said he paid for were in fact plans for an arena in Orlando that didn't pass down there. Our legislaotor did pass on the arena plan Bennett proposed, but only because it was so ridiculous.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Chris, I hear you and I understand you but I don't think it changes anything. At the end of the day it's the little guy (fan) that gets shyted on. No I wouldn't want to fund another large arena (I didn't want to fund this measly 100M) but that's what Stern wanted. You got shafted in 1995. The city should sue whoever decided upon those renovations. It sounds like somebody got rich. The NBA is holding cities hostage and they have to choose to pay the piper, or not. We do not have two other arenas/fields or a billion dollars worth of bond funds so we can compete. There is absolutely no way in hades that Stern would let the Sonics move from Seattle to OKC if they had a "first class NBA arena", whatever that is.
knotduch, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Travis, et al...the arena issue has always been a smoke screen. The citizens passed a tax on hotel and taxi's to help pay for Safeco field. The bonds are being paid off quicker than predicted. They could be paid off in just a couple of more years. Schultz and even UW have eyed that money stream for their own projects. The arena became an issue only so far as the greed to get what they thought was "free" money. It takes a legislative bill to extend the tax beyond it's proscribed target...Safeco. No legislator was willing to risk the wrath of his district voters to even put it up for debate, let alone a vote. You need to remember that Seattle funded two large projects over 1 billion dollars and a stadium fatigue is quite natural. We are still paying down bonds on the imploded Kingdome and the suddenly "obsolete" Key Arena that was rebuilt new in 1995. Arenas and stadiums have been the hostage child for owners for many years, but that doesn't mean that their arguments are true and rational. Don't buy the arena b.s.- Bennett is using it as leverage to take his new toy home with him to play...period. He has been caught in his lie and is in a bit of a squeeze. Story in a nutshell.
Chris, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I agree with Phillip, the fans of Seattle have done nothing wrong. You can let up on calling us okies, hicks, etc. They have always supported the Sonics. Question: Was there not ever another option than a 500 mil new arena outside of Seattle? Has the City or State ever offered taxpayer money to renovate the Key or has the NBA (Stern or Bennett) ever proposed/considered that option? Sure they wanted an new arena and they would obviously start there. When that failed, did they move to renovate the Key with taxpayer money? Right or wrong, that's what it takes to keep/attract an NBA team. I am under the impression that the dirks in your legislature have refused all taxpayer money.
knotduch, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
According to Schultz, his defineition was not "good faith" but "best effort". I am not a lawyer, but a laywer on local radio here said that is a big difference. Could be more bad news for Bennett.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Guess we need a definition of good faith James.
Darron, Bellingham - Apr 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm
ESPN grew a pair! Great article.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/080415&sportCat=nba
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I wonder how long the NBA and Stern are going to be willing to be drug through the Publicity Storm they are involved in. It seems that everyday some new negative story about Bennett's Group or Stern or the NBA is in the National News. More and more people are speaking up about the move in a negative fashion. With the finals starting, and all NBA owners praying and probably scheming for an LA/Boston final for the ratings this is all bad news. I wonder what the ratings will be if San Antonio and Cleveland will bring this year. Another all time record low? I wonder if Bennett and Stern could have foreseen the mess they would find themselves in and the personal humiliation they are subjecting themselves to they would still repeat the buyout of the Sonics. My bet is that they are both looking for anyway out they can to save what little face and reputation they have left. Expansion team for OKC and the Sonics stay in Seattle. It will be spun as the plan all along and smiles will be in abundance.
mickey, sumner - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Rose, how awsome would it be to have Rose running the point and feeding KD or Wilcox down low? Green and Collison banging down low, grabbing boards and resetting the O? Man, I think I'm gonna cry again.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:47 pm
There's a subject we can all unite on. Who should the Sonics draft, Rose or Beasley?
Brain, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:40 pm
If the team ultimately moves at least it will be virtually radioactive by the negative press it is going through now. It will be the pariah of the league for many years...enjoy!!
Chris, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:39 pm
David, I think the BOG may just put off voting until things calm down. Man its painful to be a sports fan. I wish I could be discussing who the Sonics should take in the draft instead of who should sue Bennett next. Couple this with the product the Sonics put on the floor this year and the $2200 I shell out for season tickets every year won't be close to the therapy I will need to pay for after this.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:36 pm
So much for the clue Daniel said I lacked... Didn't I tell you guys we are out of the frying pan and into the fire here in OKC? I said it... Common sense said something was going to stop this move from ever happening. Now with the emails, and this Schultz fella, things are looking worse and worse for OKC's chances... Common sense told me at the LAST MOMENT, something would fly and cripple any further chances. This is it... My realization coming to fruition that come Saturday morning, when it is all over Oklahoma news that the BOG said NO, and we won't get a team, my clue will be complete. It really all boils down to common sense, and the fact OKC has no luck when it comes to anything. You Seattle citizens never needed to worry, but like you say Clay is scared, you guys are acting just as scared. OVER NOTHING! Your precious Sonics won't be ours. I wish humans would quit showing such foolish pride that makes us inferior in all aspects, and just drop the name calling, and 2nd grade school antics (fighting.) Sonics will remain in Seattle. Clay will sell the team back, or lose it. Us OKC citizens can get back to brushing our snaggle teeth, and picking our corn in the fields. Stick a fork in OKC, we're done.
david, oklahoma city - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm
For those of you who doubt the legality of Howards lawsuit, please read.
http://www.enjoytheenjoyment.com/
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Phillip, this isn't Wikipedia. Just because the, so called, majority in Seattle say that this is not in "good faith" that doesn't make it so in the eyes of the court. I seem to recall that everyone used to think the world was flat, obviously this is a dramatic example but you should get the point!
James , OK - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Howard Schultz offered $18 million in a $100 million dollar renovation of Key Arena that was turned down by the city council. He got frustrated and sold the team. So Bennett, knowing that the city wouldn't pay $86 million for a renovation of an existing stadium immedialtley asked for $500 miilion for a new, not in the city, 100% publically funded stadium where he gets to keep the profit. That is why the city is up in arms. Sure our elected officials are short sighted idiots and were always picked last in school for dodgeball, but they were smart enough to smell BS when it presented itself. Bennett was just smart enough to pretend to do what he could to save basketball in Seattle, but not smart enough to use the phone instead of emails. And the $26 million offer to pay off the remaining lease amount doesn't cover the lost jobs and wages from around the Key, and it definetley doesn't keep the team in town. The stadiums for the MAriners and Seahawks are using a tax that was not extended to the Sonics due to the amount Bennett wanted. Both stadiums had private money pay a portion of the cost, and the city gets a protion of the proceeds. In Bennetts offer, the arena wasn't even in Seattle, and he got to keep all the money. The proposals were apples to umbrellas. That is why it was never discussed.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Mickey in Sumner, I would never, EVER, have an Al Gore, Hillary or Obama sticker on anything I own. I vote republican, so bumper stickers are not my thing, I leave that to the Subaru driving liberals in my neighborhood. And I don't consider Sumner central Washington. I'm talking about towns east of the Cascades. And seriously, I am sure you have been out there. Washington has its share of hicktowns, just as every state does. Lets not pretend we don't.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Try this again after I had time to stop and type:
Let's go back and remember why the team was sold. The previous owner's could not get any help in funding any improvements from anyone, he said he was tired of fighting and hoped a new owner would have better luck. So along comes the new owners and they buy the team for a pretty penny. They also have no luck and begin working on details to move the team to OKC. Then the city of Seattle gets up in arms and goes to court to stop move. New owner’s offer to pay reaming lease off, but no, have to take them to court and waste city dollars fighting a law suit. Mayor comes on a week or so ago and says any funding that needs to be done the city can't help with. So as I see it both parties are to blame. What I don't understand and I am not from the Seattle area is how did they decide to fund a new stadium for Seahawks and Mariners, but no go on Sonics? Not a dig just trying to understand the issue from Seattle's view
Skip, Edmond - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:52 am
Hey Mike in Oklahmoa...OUR STATE POLITICIANS SAID NO...NOT THE FAN BASE.get it right. we have supported this team through thick and thin....we cant help it that out state government sucks...well we can cause they got voted in..but i guarantee you they wont be reelected. Stern is screwed. And of coarse he is going to keep saying he back Bennet. He has come to far to back track. He knows it so all he can do is stick with it.
phillip, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:51 am
Let's go back and remember why the team was sold. The previous owner's could not get any help in funding any improvments from anyone, he said he was tired of fighting and hoped a new owner would have better luck. So along comes the new owners and they buy the team for a pretty penny. They also have no luck and begin working on details to move the team to OKC. Then the city of Seattle gets up in arms and goes to court to stop move. New ownser offers to pay reaming lease off, but no, have to take them to court and waste city dollars fighting a law suit. Mayor comes on a week or so ago and says any funding that neeeds to be done city can't help with. So as I see it both parties are to blame. What I don't understand and I am not from the Seattle arear is who did they decide to fund new stadium for seahawks and mariners, but no go on Sonics? Not a dig just trying to understand the issue from Seattle's view.
Skip, Edmond - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:47 am
Wrong again, Travis..."Howard Schultz doesn't have a dog in this fight anymore. He sold the team, knew they were going to move, and is now trying to save face. If he didn't know they would move then he is a moron, which I don't think he is."...Whether he is a moron or not for believing Bennett had no intention of moving the team after he bought, the fact is he got it in writing. That in itself shows distrust. Bennett is the moron for signing it and thinking he could get away with not honoring his promise. Hope and spin will not get the Sonics to OKC...you'll have to pry them from our cold dead hands.
Chris, Portland - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:46 am
Doesn't sound like your 300 million dollar upgrade to Key arena has much of a chance. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgnVF0TvZIPi1Y.q9gv7dUu8vLYF?slug=ap-supersonics-keyarena&prov=ap&type=lgns
The private investors who are offering to participate in a $300 million KeyArena upgrade in hopes of saving professional basketball in the Seattle area have given the state Legislature a final plea and a firm deadline. In a letter to Gov. Chris Gregoire and key legislators, the four prominent Seattle businessmen said the Legislature has until April 10 to approve the $75 million in tax authority being requested from the state, or they are walking away from their offer of $150 million toward the renovations.
“At some point, the people of Olympia have to lead,” Seattle developer Matt Griffin, one of the four, said Monday. “They should realize we just don’t plan to sit around. We have lives to lead, jobs to do.”
But lawmakers quickly indicated Monday that there’s no way they can consider the offer before the legislative session ends Thursday, and suggested that Seattle cover the millions currently hoped for from the state.
knotduch, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:38 am
Here come the Crusader Rabbits again, out of Washedupton. Oh holy grail that is our Supersonics, please grant us that you not depart from our midst. We were blind by not improving your quarters. We were in the grasp of the devil and deluded. But, we can save our team by posting on the OKC website. We can do it, by the grace of Nike!
Mike, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:38 am
Tim in Seattle: Your negeative reaction by people outside of Western King County may have more to do with your Al Gore bumper sticker than with them.
mickey, sumner - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:35 am
Travis, I guess they all moved here along with the Russians. Enlighten me on Mrs Kern, she sounds like a peach.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:32 am
The "chance" Bennett gave us was a $500 million dollar arena 20 miles outside Seattle. It was to be funded 100% by the public and he was to keep all the profits. When he bought the team Key Arena was going to need some updates, but it was never "unacceptable" as it is now. The ongoing debate over the $300 million to renovate the Key Arena is not an option accordeing to Bennett. This is something that another group put together that wants to renovate the Key and buy the Sonics from Bennett. It is not in Bennetts plan.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:30 am
Tim, this one you are absolutely wrong. There is no way you have more backwards towns then we have. But there is a couple things that we don't have anymore....Mexicans and gay terrorists (Thanks to Mrs. Kern).
knotduch, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:22 am
How did you not have your chance? Did you not know what they were asking? You or your representatives chose no. I'm not saying it was fair or reasonable. Could the Key Arena be updated for what the Ford Center could and did the City of Seattle choose not to fund those improvements?
knotduch, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:07 am
Sounds like a good idea Gary
Darron, Bellingham - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:04 am
My suggestion to both sides - pull up a chair and watch the fur fly!!
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:01 am
This is the last thing the BOG want to see. Litigation. I hope they postpone their vote so they won't look silly if the suit wins. They may wake up and see that the "gateway to Asia" is superior than the "gateway to Arkansas".
Chris, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 11:00 am
Hey Brian, you forgot to mention the Monster Trucks 3 times a year.....Ya Hooooooo!!!!!
Philip, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:58 am
OKC "ponied up" less than 25% of what Bennett wanted us to. Also, less than 2 years ago Stern claimed that Key Arena just needed to be updated. The only reason it isn't good enough now is that Bennett doesn't want it to be. And the claim that we had our chance is getting old. We did not have a chance, Bennett made sure of that with his ridiculous proposals he new would never fly.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:57 am
It is clear that Stern is a co-conspirator in the fraud case. Drag them both into it and watch them sweat. It takes two to tango. Would love to see the emails from Stern back to Bennett, complete with the all the XXXX's and OOOOO's.
Chris, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:54 am
Oklahoman, I would bet we have more backwards towns than you do. I have been through central Washington, I don't recommend it. If you have seen the movie "Black Sheep", as bad as it was, it depicted some of our "little towns" quite accuratley.
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:53 am
I feel sorry for the Washington area Sonics fans and understand their frustration. We put a lot of ourselves into our sports teams. We are fanatical to our sports teams here also, we have even been know to rip off a scroat or two. But, David Stern said the Key Arena is not a viable NBA arena. Bennett knew in advance that Seattle would probably not agree to build a new arena nor would they make the necessary changes to the Key Arena to satisfy David Stern and the rest of the NBA. That allowed Bennett to claim good faith. I don't think the emails change anything. Of course they wanted to move the team, they can still claim good faith based upon NBA (David Stern) requirements. Seattle knew in advance, no matter how unfair, what was necessary to keep their team and they chose not to oblige. OKC chose overwhelmingly to pony up the money. Howard Schultz doesn't have a dog in this fight anymore. He sold the team, knew they were going to move, and is now trying to save face. If he didn't know they would move then he is a moron, which I don't think he is. This is who the Seattle fans should be upset with.
knotduch, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:51 am
Good job approving that tax subsidy before your chickens were hatched. Now you'll have a world class venue when Bon Jovi and the Stix come back to town!
Brain, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:44 am
Because Bennett's in-laws run the paper. Funny, I thought Pravda was out of business...
Mike, Stanwood - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:32 am
Mmmm mmm. I love me some Starbucks. Venti American for me thanks! But I might try one our independent bean houses if this silliness keeps up. What? You didn't know that they coffee craze is taking place in Oklahoma too? We also have high speed internet and indoor plumbing. Seriously! Get some education about the rest of America people. The entire nation is a modern country. Yes, we still have some small little towns, just like Washington and everyplace else where people do think differently. But, as far as "dust bowl" type commentary--it would serve you well to not show off your complete lack of intelligence.
The Plainsman, Oklahoma - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:32 am
How come this newspaper isn't running the Schults suing Bennett story?
4-30, OKC - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:29 am
"Phillip, the key word is "acting" in good faith. Show me where his actions towards Seattle were not in good faith. He gave you multiple chances."
Hmmm, I guess Howard must not agree :)
Clay, Scumbag - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:23 am
BUY STARBUCKS...Buy as much Starbucks as you can! Shultz has redeemed himself. It's over for you Bennett. You just blew it. Sorry OKC, we're getting our team back!
Chris, Portland - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:12 am
The discovery process should be interesting - imagine all of these folks being deposed under oath (that means you too Aubrey and Mr. Mayor) - should be fun. PS- I doubt Stern is enjoying this soap opera right before the playoffs. Someone is probably getting a talking to behind the shed. Check to see if Clay is able to sit down without discomfort in the next few days...
Mike, Stanwood - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:07 am
Yeah its getting messy and messy means bad news for OK. Bennet should have done what the Colts did and moved in the middle of the night. Too late now. Take your anger out on him and his buddies for being idiots
Darron, Bellingham - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:05 am
Phillip, I agree with your last supposition, without the "probably."
Carson, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:05 am
Just an FYI... Schults is also suing for the attempting to break a lease and that is proveable due to the buy out offers. May not lead to more credence in this case. This is really getting messy and I think it is now a 80/20 chance that Seattle will keep it's team. The NBA is getting a lot of slap in your face media attention, which they really do not want. Fix your Ford Center, the Hornets should be coming soon after completion. We up here in latteland know you supported the Hornets and I would bet most would rather have them than the Seattle SuperSonics. We support you there!
4-30, OKC - Apr 15, 2008 at 10:03 am
first of all...you can say youre a lawyer till youre blue in the face in this blog...doesnt mean I believe you so lets just get that straight. Majority of people (all sorts,politicians,legal people,sports analysts)have read these emails. Now..they can be viewed diff by everyone...but if the majority say that good faith never happened...wouldnt a person be incloned to say...hmm..maybe they have a point since majority are saying it. I dont know...Im just stupid prob.
phillip, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:58 am
If by "Multiple chances" you mean a "$500 million dollar arena outside of the city limits paid for 100% by the public and Bennett gets to keep all the profit" as "multiple chances" and "good faith", well than, I feel sorry if you actually get the Sonics. Bennett will have you over a barrel faster than you can say "fait accompli".
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:55 am
Phillip, the key word is "acting" in good faith. Show me where his actions towards Seattle were not in good faith. He gave you multiple chances. He and the other owners probably did want, subjectively, to bring the team to OKC. However, that does not mean that they somehow sabotaged Seattle or slighted them. With the way Seattle had acted even prior to his buying the team, it would be reasonable to think it was a fait accompli. That doesn't mean that Bennett did not try. I am a lawyer and the law makes a distinction between someone's actions towards others and his personal subjectivity. You can't say Bennett "acted" in bad faith just because he may have preferred to come to OKC. You can't conflate his actions as an owner with his personal wishes as a man. I say you can't loosely, of course, as you have and will continue to, as a testament of Seattle's character.
Carson, Oklahoma City - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:50 am
I think some of you miss the point in that even if Howards attempt fails, its one more lawsuit that Bennett has to deal with, and it keeps the Sonics in Seattle a little longer. Plus, some of us season ticket holders have filed a complaint with the state AG, as our original renewal letter stated the same intentions of the team, to do everything possible to keep the team in Seattle. I am not a litigious person, but when the only recourse you have is to fill a lawsuit, than thats what you have to do. I do wish there was a better solution to this, where both cities get a team. OKC has shown they deserve one, and have done more politically than we have. I see a resolution coming soon, I can't believe that Stern wants all these court cases to cloud the NBA Finals. Something will be done, and I would think soon. But this sure has been fun, hasn't it? And I've learned a lot about OKC, so I guess this is a good thing in one respect. Good luck to OKC, I hope you get a team, I just don't want it to be mine.
Lynn, I like your Clipper idea. Hell, LA stole the Clippers from San Diego. And the Lakers from Minnesota, and the Giants from NY, and the Dodgers from Brooklyn, and the Raiders from Oakland, and the Rams from Cleveland. Apparently only hockey is indiginous to LA. Man I hate LA!
Tim, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:46 am
Exactly..this whole thing is sad...even for OKC. I feel bad if they end uip not getting an NBA team period. But I dont feel bad if they dont get our Sonics...thats right..OUR SONICS.Clay is shaking in his boots right now...so is Stern. You can bet that.
phillip, Seattle - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:45 am
One more thinf Philip. It doesn't matter if the BOG approves the move or if Stern doesn't see any bad faith. Bennet signed a contract with a clause. It's up to the courts to decide. Courts located in Washington state. sorry
Darron, Bellingham - Apr 15, 2008 at 9:41 am
I am not a lawyer but mu mom is in the legal field and know many lawyers who have seen these emails and have examined them. They were a smoking gun in themselves...but now with Schultz throwing his 2 sense in..it has just gotten worse for Bennet and group. If you come on here and try to dispute this..you should real

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