NEW YORK - Wall Street plunged for a second day, triggered by computer gear maker Cisco Systems warning of slumping demand and retailers reporting weak sales for October. Concerns about widespread economic weakness sent the major stock indexes down more than 4 percent Thursday, including the Dow Jones industrial average, which tumbled more than 440 points.
Specialist Anthony Matesic, right, works at his post on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Thursday, Nov. 6, 2008.
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Major indexes have lost about 10 percent since Barack Obama was elected president — a vote preceded by a steep rally — and the losses represent the Dow's worst two-day percentage decline since the October 1987 crash.
Paper losses during that time in U.S. stocks came to $1.2 trillion, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 Composite Index, which represents nearly all stocks traded in America.
Comments from Cisco that it saw a steep drop in orders in October and reports from retailers that consumers are skipping trips to the mall provided fresh evidence of the economy's struggles. Worries about automakers and the financial sector compounded investors' unease.
A day ahead of Friday's key October employment report, a widely watched barometer of the economy's health, the Labor Department said the number of people continuing to draw unemployment benefits jumped to a 25-year high. The increase by 122,000 to 3.84 million in late October marked the highest level since late February 1983, when the economy was being buffeted by a protracted recession.
"The economy is in a pretty significant downturn and I think that is broad-based because it is all interconnected," said Ed Hyland, global investment specialist at J.P. Morgan's Private Bank. "This is something that we haven't really seen, this level of this rapid and significant pullback both in the market and the economy."
Thursday's rout follows a drop of more than 5 percent in the market Wednesday that saw the Dow plunge nearly 500 points as investors fretted that weak readings on employment and downcast profit forecasts and job cuts from financial companies to steelmakers signaled broad economic troubles.
Still, the market's two-day slide follows an enormous run-up since last week so some pullback was expected, analysts said. Through the six sessions that ended Tuesday, the benchmark Standard & Poor's 500 index surged 18.3 percent.
Richard Campagna, chief investment officer at Provident Investment Counsel in Pasadena, Calif., contends the market's pullback isn't surprising given the size of the recent run-up, which gave the Dow its best run in 34 years last week. He said the weak economic readings aren't a surprise because of the freeze in credit markets that has disrupted lending and other economic activity since the mid-September bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
Campagna said the light volume and overall fear among investors is exacerbating the market's volatility.
"Some people are pushing this market around more than they should be out of fear," he said. "Many everyday investors are sitting on the sidelines."
"Everyone has been shellshocked with the moves in the market," he said.
The Dow fell 443.48, or 4.85 percent, to 8,695.79 after falling as much as 502 in the final five minutes of trading. The blue chips remain 520 points, or 6.4 percent, above 8,176, their Oct. 27 closing low from the market's yearlong decline.
Broader stock indicators also posted sharp losses. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 47.89, or 5.03 percent, to 904.88, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 72.94, or 4.34 percent, to 1,608.70.
Over the past two days, the Dow is down 9.7 percent, the S&P 500 index is off 10 percent and the Nasdaq is down 9.6 percent.
The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 18.80, or 3.65 percent, to 495.84 on Thursday, bringing its two-day decline to 9.2 percent.
Declining issues outnumbered advancers by about 5 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where consolidated volume came to 5.96 billion shares compared with 5.29 billion shares traded Wednesday.
The dollar traded mixed against most other major currencies, while gold prices fell.
Light, sweet crude fell $4.53 to settle at $60.77 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Cisco Systems Inc.'s comments added to investors' nervousness. The world's largest maker of computer networking gear said orders declined sharply last month, suggesting to the market that the weak economy and tight credit markets are taking a larger-than-expected toll on many companies around the world. Cisco fell 45 cents, or 2.6 percent, to $16.94.
A range of industries have been bruised by the economy. Japanese automaker Toyota Motor Corp. lowered its annual profit forecast Thursday to less than a third of what it was in previous fiscal year. Toyota tumbled $13.28, or 16.5 percent, to $67.09. Other automakers fell ahead of quarterly results due Friday and worries about their health. General Motors Corp. tumbled 76 cents, or 13.7 percent, to $4.80, while Ford Motor Co. fell 11 cents, or 5.3 percent, to $1.98.
Among retailers, Wal-Mart fell 64 cents to $53.49 after reporting better-than-expected sales. But most other retailers didn't attract as many shoppers. Limited Stores Inc. fell $1.10, or 9.6 percent, to $10.41 while Ann Taylor Stores Corp. fell $3.09, or 26 percent, to $8.93.
A range of corporate news weighed on the market. News Corp. fell $1.62, or 16.3 percent, to $8.31 after the media company warned of slowing advertising revenue and slashed its 2009 forecast. Blackstone Group LP, one of the world's largest private-equity funds, fell $1.05, or 12.2 percent, to $7.55 after reporting that the financial crisis hurt the value of its investments.
Hyland said the day's news was a reminder that while the market might be off its October lows following an array of government moves to revive lending, the medicine will take some time to work.
"I think that we're in a bottoming process but the market will tend to have three, four, or five bottoms as it goes through the bear market," he said.
Even the election, which had been one area of uncertainty, now presents a new set of questions, he said, even though the market largely had expected an Obama win.
"How does an Obama administration deal with it and what are the implications?"
Bank-to-bank lending rates fell for the 19th straight day, a sign that banks are becoming more willing to lend. The London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor, for three-month dollar loans dipped to 2.39 percent from 2.51 percent.
The three-month Treasury bill, considered the ultimate safe asset, saw its yield dip further to 0.30 percent from 0.42 percent late Wednesday. In general, a lower yield means higher demand, but it is also affected by the federal funds rate.
The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.69 percent from 3.73 percent late Wednesday.
The latest round of economic worries largely overshadowed interest rate cuts by central banks in Europe. The Bank of England slashed its key interest rate by a bold 1.5 percentage points Thursday, while the European Central Bank lowered its key rate by a half-point.
Britain's FTSE 100 fell 5.70 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 6.84 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 6.38 percent. In Asian trading, Japan's Nikkei index closed down 6.53 percent, and Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index fell 7.08 percent.
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One more comment: This president advocated progressive taxation (taxing the wealthy, cutting taxes for the poor/middle class). You can read his speech here:
http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=501
To see what a deregulated economy (or lack of regulation) looks like, go read up on the gilded age. It took a president who slammed corporate trusts, busting monopolies left and right, pressing for environmental conservation, fightin' the good wars, ending the bad ones (and won the Nobel Peace prize in the process) to set the foundation for the American Superpower. He later campaigned for women's right to vote and proudly declared himself to be progressive (another term for liberal). Before people hiss "democrat", he was part of the Grand Old Party itself. In fact, he joins one other liberal GOP president (in his time) on Mount Rushmore.
If he was around today, he would be booed from the GOP. Isn't it time for the GOP to look inwards?
Sorry, I meant to write "buying power". The myth of "trickle down" economics has failed as surely as the myth that business operates best in the public interest when it is least regulated. Even Alan Greenspan has finally realized that.
Doug, you make too much sense. Most of the people on this thread will either never read you, or won't believe you. All they want is something they can blame on Obama.
Steve, that has to be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Oops, I'm sorry. C.G. trumped you.
Scott, you have a clear understanding of where the train of "thought" of many of these bloggers is headed, but I think you may have overlooked the sudden increase in teen-age pregnancy.
Brock, the plural of policy is policies. You apparently never have heard of Phil Gramm, and you need to look socialism up in a dictionary so you know what you're talking about. You too, Bob.
And for everybody's information, Bush's tax plan has been redistributing wealthy ever since it went into effect. That's why the average American middle-class family has lost over two thousand dollars a year in buying plan even if their incomes have remained constant.
Bob, the only people who think unemployment compensation is a benefit are those who have never drawn it.
Obama is not the problem. The problem is Obama's tax policies that wall Street is worried about. Look at the democrats 401k theft they are thinking about. it will take millions from the market.
google democrats steal 401ks
Obama is the antichrist and the sky will start falling any minute now...LOOK OUT!!!! Oh, wait a minute--Bush/Cheney better fits the bill for antichrist material...
Obama has nothing to do with the problems in the market nor can Obama directly do anything to solve the problem. The problem is a result of over 30 Trillion dollars in CDO (let's call it what it is, a pyramid scam) that is collapsing and taking with it the worlds marketplaces. If your looking for someone to blame, look at the presidents, senators, congress critters, and Greenspan, that did nothing to stop the once illegal practice of betting on the markets and reselling risk. Carter and the Fair Housing Law, Clinton and the lifting of banking laws and regulations. (ones that he violated with the Whitewater banking scandal). And last but not least, the millions of people who in order to keep up with the Joenses put everything on credit and bit off more than they could afford. I'm glad I learned from my grandfather to stay away from borrowing, work hard, save, and be frugal. Might not have the flat screen HD plasma 72" surround sound home theater system or the 7,000 square foot house by the golf course, but I sure don't have any debt. It's time for another generational lesson in fiscal and personal responsibility. I don't envy Obama's job and frankly I had serious doubts about both parties. However, the choice has been made and like it or not he will be our next President.
Ever since Obama was elected, people's cancer rates have been on the rise. Also, the rate of car accidents, kids shot by bows, and the economy is dropping. Oh my god, what have we done by electing Obama??!
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (A GOVERNMENT backed entity that had 70% of all US home mortgages) forced subprime lending guidelines upon the financial market, thanks to Democrat policys. That is the basis of our financial crisis. Now we throw a socialist as our next president on top of that mess and everybody wants out of the market. What's so hard to understand?
The tax rate for the wealthy under Bush was lowered to 35%, down from 39% under Clinton, which was WAY down from Nixon days(70%) and an unbelievable 91% under Eisenhower. Jeez, those coporate heads are really going to suffer, having to pay an additional 4% on the gazillions they rape from stockholders...
wow .. what about bush's 700 bil. dollar plan to help greedy coorporations?
what do you call that?
better know what you talking about else just keep quiet and learn.
..IS OBAMA'S FAULT!!!.......
The slow economy (Bush admin/Dem led congress shot callers) is not good I agree, but what will happen when the company owners decide they don't want their wealth "REDISTRIBUTED" by this guy.......we are seeing it unfold......Socialism at it's best
The Obama Recession is in Full Swing. This drop is in direct correlation with Obama's promise to increase corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, the top marginal income tax rate, a massive new energy tax that will bankrupt coal, and his party is talking about a government takeover of 401(k) plans. Wednesday the Dow drops about 486 points and today it's down 440 points.
This is tracking to be the worst post-presidential election three-day period since at least 1900. Obviously, America made it's choice without paying attention to consequences.
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