If the BCS standing was not the fifth tie breaker for the Big 12 South and we had the same system as one of the other conferences, UT would be the Big 12 South Champ; but that wouldn't change the BCS standings with UT rated # 3 and OU rated ahead at # 2. In that scenario OU would sit in Norman on Dec 6th and watch the Longhorns and Tigers play for the Big 12 Championship and not risk being bumped out of the NC game by a loss or suffering a key injury and still be in the NC game without being the Big 12 Champ. Everyone is acting like UT would automatically be in the NC game if they were in the Big 12 title game and beat the Tigers again. I doubt that UT's BCS rating would eclipse OU's by beating a three loss team who they already beat this season. The NC game will be played between # 1 & # 2 in the BCS standings no matter who the Big 12 Champ turns out to be. The only hope Texas has for an NC game invite is OU losing in the Big 12 Championship game and dropping their BCS rating, so they should be glad it worked out this way. At least they have a faint little flicker of hope fo a NC win. Maybe one of Mack Brown's players should explain it to him. He obviously doesn't get it!!! Maybe we should fly a plane over Austin with a banner explaining it to all of them; but I doubt that it could fly slow enough for them to read all the big words.

The BCS was created to pick just two teams to play in the national championship game ....where the luxury of easy deciding factors like head to head results have almost never been a possibility. Think three 1 loss teams from different conferences. So of course the computers weren't set up to do what humans can do: see what two teams did head to head against each other. Gee, why hasn't anybody come up with a computer program to predict YESTERDAY'S weather? If you say you believe the computers were right, what would you say about the computer rankings immediately following the national championship game? If a one loss team beats an undefeated team in a national championship game, and for grins they ran the computer rankings just one last time like it was a 13th regular season game, the computers could very easily rank the team that just lost higher. After all, the records would just then become equal, and an opponent played in the preseason 3 months ago might gone on to do something. This obviously will not ever be a problem after the national championship game ....BECAUSE WE GO BY WHO WON THE GAME ON THE FIELD ...but it's the same logic as putting Oklahoma over Texas based on computer models. If you want to cite the computers as evidence that OU really should be ranked higher than Texas, you might as well argue the loser of this year's Super Bowl deserves the Lombardi trophy instead because you just played the two teams together on your X Box and low and behold, the other team won! What, the two teams actually played each other? Don't believe your lyin' eyes ...take a look at this computer over here .... And for the last time, stop with this idiotic logic that because three teams had one loss, NONE of the head to head matchups can matter. First, you're in the ridiculous position of arguing that on one hand we can't look at what the three teams did head to head, because after all each team lost to one of the other two ....but on the other hand it's totally ok to look at what the same three teams did against the common opponent amongst the three. Gee, didn't each team also beat one the other two teams as well? You can't throw out the head to head matchups and in the same breath try to point to margin of victory over the common opponent. Each of the three teams has lost 1 game each …how close was each of the losses? 2nd, the BCS is calculated for every BCS eligible team ...not just the three in the tie. So of course the discussion is always going to come down to the top two teams given this pathetic tie breaking system. In fact, that’s how pretty much every other conference runs their tie breaker. Anyone hear of a big rush to change their system to match the Big 12’s after this fiasco? After all, why would we actually put the top two ranked teams in the championship game to actually play each other? Why not just have each of the top two BCS teams pick opponents they've already played to go at it? That has more meaning than just playing head to head, right?

Stoops needs to get a grip on reality. The reason the Human polls dropped OU is because, like all the college football prognosticators say, "the defense of the Sooners is Suspect" IT's called giving up 41 to OSU. It's called giving up kick-off and punt returns for long runs and TD's. It's called 66th rated total D and opponent pts. between 3 & 4 TD's per game. Get a grip Stoops'y, your defensive Co-o is steadily costing you credibility where it counts.

i cant believe all the controversey who is on top of who. all you have to do is look at the map and you will see for your self that oklahoma is on top of texas

Thanks Richard for the stats. I assume that you feel that strength of schedule is more important than being undefeated. They played a few games I believe that at the time they played the game their opponenet was ranked, but have fallen out in the end. I guess I put too much stock in a few schools that historically are among the best programs in the country that were down this year..Clemson, Arkansas, LSU, and Auburn. Regardless, it is very difficult to go undefeated at any level. The human polls favor the undefeated Alabama team overwhelmingly. Florida will most likely expose Alabama as little overrated, but the game still has to be played and one thing is certain, the winner of that game will be in the BCS title game.

Hey Steve from Flower Mound, the computers have OU & UT ahead of Alabama because they look at wins, losses, and strength of schedule. Period. Guess what? OU has played 5 teams ranked in the BCS Top 14, going 4-1, with a MOV of 21 points. UT has played 4 teams in the BCS Top 20, going 3-1. Alabama? Exactly ONE ranked team, winning at #16 Georgia by 11 points. OU's opponents winning % is 0.582, and UT's opponents were 0.590. Alabama? 0.465, a LOSING record. There's your answer.

I still get a kick thinking about Mack getting the gatorade poured on his dome after the Horns beat a very crappy A&M team....

Tha facts are that the computer rankings are what gave OU the Big 12 South title. Just to prove how messed up the computers are, the computer rankings had BOTH OU and UT ranked ahead of an undefeated Alabama team. That is plain ridiculous. Don't copme with the Utah, Boise State and Ball State argument either. All three of those teams would get smeared by Alabama, as well as OU and UT.

It all comes down to Big Mac and his Pronghorn staff not getting the hefty bonuses they were hoping for. By advancing to the Big XII Championship game and then to the National Championship, Bob Stoops and Staff get the cash, thank God. Great job, OU Staff and Team.

kirt, that would appear to be exactly correct.

Now, I know the system isn’t perfect and will, no doubt, be tweaked some more, but let me see if I have this right: Here is Texas the last two weeks. They must cheer like heck that OU beats Tech - something they couldn't do - to force a 3-way tie. OU obliges, throttling Tech by 44. Then, the next week, Texas must again root for Oklahoma to beat O-state in Stillwater - something Texas probably couldn't do, based on their slim 4 point win in Austin – or, again, Texas loses the division to Tech on a head-to-head tie-break. Now, after rooting for OU to win these last two to even make the conversation possible - which OU does, convincingly, Texas says OU isn't worthy of representing the South? I feel for you Horn fans, but THAT is illogical.

the thing that pushed the Sooners ahead was non-conference, enough said, Tech, Texas and OU had the same record in the Big 12 and the same record against non-conference, but what won it for OU was beating Cincinatti who finished #13 in the BCS and TCU which finished #11 in the BCS. Missouri is over rated and Texas fans can spew all they want about beating them, but they finished #20 in the BCS, now OU has the opportunity to play them this year and if they win then Texas fans should not have a gripe because OU will have beaten Missouri too

In a three way tie it makes more sense to look at points scored by the three teams. Tech +1 Texas +10, and OU won by +20. Enough said Texas, stop your whining! If you want to play in the big game you control you own destiny, just win all your games. Enjoy the Fiesta Bevo

Did Texas really beat OU? Two personnel fouls called on touching Texas QB out of bounds. A interception in the end zone not credited. Referees did not call two blocks in the back on Shipley's run back of a kickoff. Something really smells.

The winners gloat and the losers complain. Its a broken system. Texas defeats both Missouri and Oklahoma on the field and they are left out of playing for the Big 12 Title. If the roles were reversed and OU was left at home and Texas was going to KC, OU fans would be enraged. The OU media "sports animal" would have rants for 12 hours a day and David Boren would be on national tv complaining like he did with the Oregon loss a few years ago. Congratulations to OU. Lets hope OU will represent the Big 12 well this year and not lose another BCS Bowl game on national TV.

Love my Sooners, but we've been the beneficiary of a bad rule. Other than getting my Sooners to the Big XII Championship game, the rest of this situation is full of blame and shame: 1) Shame on TX fans and Mack Brown for shameless begging, whining, politics, and self-promotion. 2) Shame on the Big XII; using the BCS to determine the tie-break is a TERRIBLE rule. I know my Sooners have benefited, and I believe they are one of the 2 best teams in the nation right now, but I believe that BCS ranking should have NO bearing on how a conference chooses their champion. 3) Shame on ESPN and the other national media for their excessive whining about the whole situation. Good Lord, people; accept it and move on. Now, here's hoping we don't lay another egg in the Big XII Championship or the BCS Title Game. BOOMER SOONER!!

The "computers" are always going to be more "fair" than human voters. And there's no good way to resolve a three-way tie. No one could really argue about any of the three going. But can we stop talking about "computers deciding" things. Computers don't decide anything. They merely crunch the numbers and spit out the results based on the formulas devised by humans looking for the most objective result. Those humans are always going to be more objective than other coaches, players, sports writers, etc. Enough humans decided not to reward TX that the various computer rankings pushed OU ahead. In other words, if more humans had wanted to, they could've put TX in the Big 12 championship. Apparently, not enough of them wanted to, and that's who Mack should gripe to. Somebody is always going to get "screwed" in resolving a 3-way tie. I'm just glad that this time it's Texas!

Glad all the politicing and all the money spent on aircraft banners and student banners were a complete failure for Mack Brown. Now Texas will stew, should have beat OU by more than 10!!

Computers don't read airplane banners nor do they care to. GO OU

Guys and Gals, I'm a die-hardest Sooner fans. I'm glad that all these debates are going on .... a lot of strong opinions about OU not deserving to go to the Big 12 Championship Game and possibly the National Championship Game. I'm really glad that it happens. Here's why. I think the Sooners always play better when they are being viewed as the underdog. From the past 2 Fiesta Bowls, we can clearly see OU played "disinterested" when they are the favorite to win, when they have nothing to show for. I hope this debates and criticism is enough to fire up the Stoops' troop...

We need a freaking playoff, thats what all this comes down too. OU, Texas and Tech all deserve to play for the national championship and one of those teams is going to spend the post season in the cotton bowl or worse. Get a playoff, and then no one can complain about getting left out!

This week Texas beats a lousy A&M in a victory that wasn't as impressive as the score, we beat a team on the road by 20 that Texas only beat by 4 at home, and we drop in the polls???? I agree that you have to lay the blame for the poll improvement on Texas' political machine, or voters who aren't paying attention. Mack got himself into the Rose Bowl doing the same thing a few years ago, and I think it's ridiculous. Let your team's play speak for itself. The rankings are littered with teams who have passed others that have beaten them. Yes, OU shouldn't have lost to Texas, but if Texas had beat Tech, we wouldn't be having this discussion. In a three-way tie, head to head doesn't make any sense anymore. We lost to a better team than Texas did. I actually think the Big Twelve's system is fairer than that of other conferences, not the reverse. Why should the third team in a three-way tie be left out of the discussion? Especially when their out of conference record is identical as well.

Texas ain't getting screwed. They got everything they deserved and then some. They NEEDED Oklahoma to beat Okie State even to have a shot at the Big 12 championship. Think about it: if OU lost, then Texas Tech would be going to the Big 12 CCG. Mack couldn't b*tch about it one bit. Again, he NEEDED OU to win, otherwise, Texas didn't "deserve" to go. With that in mind, why does OU's victory suddenly mean Texas "deserves" to win the Big 12 south now? Maybe if UT's secondary didn't have butterfingers they'd be playing next week instead of b*tching and moaning....

I am so sick of Mack Brown, he just disgusts me. However, he has had the upper hand on OU in recent times so he can shoot his mouth off. Stoops needs to use this kind b.s. to motivate his players for the game next year. The best way to shut up a blowhard like that is to beat his @ss. If we play Texas next week, it's over at halftime, believe me Texas would not want any part of OU even with all our injuries.