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Big 12 football: Texas removes ‘2008*’
UT coach claims ignorance on controversial wall post

By Jake Trotter    Comments Comment on this article77
Published: April 7, 2009



Trying to defuse a controversy over claiming a Big 12 Championship they didn’t win, the Texas Longhorns removed "2008*” from a wall listing their Big 12 titles, the Austin American-Statesman reported Monday.

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Texas spokesman John Bianco told the Statesman that Longhorns coach Mack Brown was unaware 2008 with an asterisk had been posted on a wall inside the Moncrief-Neuhaus training facility.

"Obviously there was a lot of discussion about the two teams playing for the Big 12 title being two teams we’d beaten,” Bianco said Monday. "The kidding around became a misunderstanding as an instruction to post it on the wall (of the meeting room). It was clearly not the intent of Mack to post it.”

Following Monday’s spring practice, Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops was asked what he thought about Texas claiming the 2008 Big 12 Championship on its wall with an asterisk.

"It doesn’t much matter to me at all, I don’t much care,” Stoops said. "I know there isn’t (an asterisk) on ours. And I know where the trophy is. I’m not worried about anyone else and what they’ve got.”

Last season, OU edged out Texas and Texas Tech for the South title in a tiebreaker determined by the BCS Standings, despite ardent protests from Brown and the Texas fan base.

The Longhorns claimed that because they defeated OU head-to-head, they deserved to go to the Big 12 title game — despite the fact they also lost to Texas Tech, creating a three-way tie among the one-loss Big 12 South teams.

On the last week of the regular season, Texas fans even paid for a flyover in Stillwater before the Bedlam game to remind voters of Texas’ 45-35 win over OU in the Cotton Bowl.

Nevertheless, the Sooners ended up ranked higher than Texas and Texas Tech in the BCS and went on to beat Missouri in Kansas City, Mo., to win their third-consecutive Big 12 Championship.

That victory is still not being acknowledged by some in Austin, apparently.

Said one school official to the Statesman when asked about the asterisk, "We beat both (OU and North Division winner Missouri). I thought that (championship game in Kansas City) was for the runner-up spot.”

Moreover, even though OU officially won the Big 12, Texas president William Powers Jr. announced Monday his university would pay out $44,000 total to its assistant coaches in bonuses that are called for when the Longhorns win the Big 12 Championship.

The team’s two coordinators, strength coach and director of football operations will each receive $5,000. The others will each get a payment of $3,000.

"I think this was the right decision,” Powers told the Statesman. "A flip of a coin basically deprived them of the ability to earn that part of their compensation.”

Brown, however, did not receive a South title or Big 12 Championship bonus, which together would’ve totaled $150,000.

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*Texas football.........* still whining about the past.
KEITH, North Charleston - Apr 9, 2009 at 10:43 pm
It doesn't get any better than this for Sooners. UT claims imaginary title and posts it on campus. UT football is officially a bi..h.
M, Oklahoma City - Apr 8, 2009 at 8:12 pm
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It just doesn't get any better than this. UT pretends their champions listing imaginary titles on their campus. UT football is officially a bi..h.
M, Oklahoma City - Apr 8, 2009 at 8:08 pm
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No, Joe. Everyone knows that Texas was getting beat pretty good, until Ryan Reynolds got hurt. If Reynolds hadn't gotten hurt, Colt wouldn't have been able to pass down the middle on us, and there wouldn't be a question about who the south champion was. You guys got real lucky that Ryan got hurt.
Tim, Yukon - Apr 8, 2009 at 7:15 pm
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Mack Brown wears depends.
Mike, Katy - Apr 8, 2009 at 5:51 pm
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Let me answer that for Joe. Mack played this game on XBox and UT won in so dominating a fashion that XBox actually declared them winners of the NFC East...
Greg, Edmond - Apr 8, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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I'm an OU graduate but in some ways I wish TT had won the Big XII title. That would have ended it.
mark, oklahoma city - Apr 8, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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Joe what was the score for the make believe "big 12 championship game*" UT had against MU?
jampalbo, norman - Apr 8, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Hey Joe, 65-21 made 45-35 insignificant. I know you would rather act like that never happened like all other Texas fans though.
Holly, Harrah - Apr 8, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Oh I'm sorry Jimmy from Norman, did I hurt your feelings? Come to think of it it's Oklahoma that should be putting up the asterisk. Everyone knows the final score. 45-35
joe, Austin - Apr 8, 2009 at 1:23 pm
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That kinda ironic Joe that a texas fan from austin is on a oklahoma newspaper site saying why we care what goes on in austin.
jimmy, norman - Apr 8, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Let me get this straight....if Colorado beats beats OU and Mizzou, South and North champs, but loses 6 games, does that make Colorado big 12 champs? So i guess that theory does not really work does it now...
jimmy, norman - Apr 8, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Is it just me but why does OU, OU alum and fans even care what goes on at UT? What business is it of theirs? I think it's OU that needs to put up the asterisk up during the Barry Switzer championship era. OU is up there with Alabama when it comes to cheating in the NCAA.
joe, Austin - Apr 8, 2009 at 1:04 pm
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You are right Stoops, doesn't matter because you do have the trophy. Now lets compare bowl trophies and payouts....
Andrew, edmond - Apr 8, 2009 at 10:51 am
Thanks Richard! ;)
Holly, Harrah - Apr 8, 2009 at 9:40 am
OU just has to whip Texas every year, to put them in their place, #2!
Jeff, Tulsa - Apr 8, 2009 at 8:33 am
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Next up, some shortwhorn texassian will make up a phony trophy for the crybabies. HA HA. Jo, maybe you can go down there and take a picture for us.
Steve, Ketchum - Apr 8, 2009 at 8:15 am
Barry,

I think you are working from shaky grounds here comparing this Texas' claim to the Oregon game a few years back. In the Oregon, there were apologies issues because the failure of the referees to call the game accurately.

Last year, Texas' AD knew the guidelines for establishing the South Champion and he even voted for it. He and Mack, also took a page from Bill Snyder's famous coaching manual, "How to Schedule Pansies as Non-Conference Opponents." Strength of schedule has always been a factor in the BCS. If Texas fans are mad (and they should be), they should be asking for an AD at Texas like Joe Castiglione. That's why Texas wasn't playing in the Big XII and National Championship (losing at Texas Tech didn't help either...). This year's UT schedule makes last year's look down right impressive. Odds are Texas gets left holding the bag again.
Chris, Milwaukee - Apr 8, 2009 at 7:22 am
Hey Greg. I see you live in Edmond. Can you help? Maybe when Jo brings you a beer, you can send a friend over and take a sledge hammer to JO's computer. I think I would even send a donation for the trouble
william, claremore - Apr 7, 2009 at 11:53 pm
WHEN?????? When is everyone going to realize that "JO" is "NO" OU fan. Is it not OBVIOUS, by reading any line of any "rant", that JO has NO CLUE? It matters not when any poster points out to JO that the Big 10 (11) doesn't play each other every year. Even though JO says, they do. It's unfortunate that JO has a computer. If a relative were to see what's happening, maybe they could go pay a visit to JO and REMOVE the computer from the dungeon JO resides in. Facts are, JO is an OSU fan, all the way. Why is that so hard for folks to understand. The best thing, and I mean the BEST thing, is for folks to "IGNORE" JO. Unless that family member can help.
william, claremore - Apr 7, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Well again the mOUth of the sOUth has spoken again..like its going to change anything..yOUr living in the past Mack..get over it..and face the music yOUr not even the Champion of yOUr own state..
Larry, Pauls Valley - Apr 7, 2009 at 9:51 pm
jo-before madonna was there life at your house?
Lets see-where to start-if the Big 10-actually 11 teams played a home and home series with each team-they would play a total of 20 games. I do not believe that the NCAA allows that many games, but I am sure jo's rules will circumvent NCAA rules. Now shut the hell up and get me a beer...
Greg, Edmond - Apr 7, 2009 at 9:49 pm
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The funny part of all this is that if it were A&M or Tech Texas fans would be laughing their @$$ off & making fun of those schools. Instead they are like...well we beat OU. ** After trailing for 3 qrtrs *** well we lost at the last second to tech *** after trailing 3 & 14/15 qrtrs. It is like OSU having felt like they **won at Texas for keeping it close. WAWA dont post in a prominent area @$$clowns
Jeanie, Wichita Falls - Apr 7, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Yeah James and OU is STILL the 2008 Big 12 Champion. How come since the Ohio State -Texas series was over does Texas not play anyone ranked in the top, say 45? The only person you Texas fans should really be mad at is the TU athletic department for scheduling very poor non-league opponents.
Richard, Visalia - Apr 7, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Mack Brown is such a sore looser! He should look at the point differential between, OU, Texas, and Texas Tech.
LA Sooner
ray, los angeles - Apr 7, 2009 at 8:30 pm
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Holly...love it when women speak "football"...and you did it very well at that!
Richard, Visalia - Apr 7, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Scott - they're still mad that Texas & Florida SPANKED them...
James, , - Apr 7, 2009 at 7:37 pm
It's funny that the only people still talking about the rules that allowed OU to play in the Big 12 Championship are Sooner fans! Longhorns are over it! It was a satisfying year winning the RRR, the Fiesta Bowl. 2 things that the Sooners could not manage. Time to Move on to next year???
Scott - Apr 7, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Adam don't be a tool. Neither you or I can change the fact that rules are rules, and UT tried to circumvent those rules by crying about we beat you and we're better. UT didn't have what it took to beat TT, so should they have been there? Oh yeah your logic is that you did lose to Tech but the team you beat, creamed Tech and therefore should be eliminated from the argument. What a simple theory! Jack@ss!
David, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Lots of astericks...
Scott - Apr 7, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Adam, you mean Texas is making excuses for OU now?
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Maybe they should put an asterisk next to EVERY ou BCS loss. Meaning ...next year is our year.
Jason, Tulsa - Apr 7, 2009 at 5:22 pm
A loss at Texas Tech deprived them of the opportunity to earn the compensation, not a computer. Are Tech coaches getting bonuses too? ?
"Mack Brown Claims Ingnorance" I'd buy that t-shirt/bumper sticker !
What a joke those guys are, it's not like they just had it written on a dry erase board...they had to order this and have it installed. It's hard to believe that Mack Brown didn't know about it. I think having no direct quote from Mack tells a story, hiding behind a spokesman. I'm really suprised he wasn't on at halftime of the NCAA Basketball championship game still whining !
For a school that claims academic superiority, Texas sure is stupid.
Barney, Mayberry - Apr 7, 2009 at 5:16 pm
And, how about the junket trip to Austin for the BCS computer poll guys that Mack put together? These guys are better than fiction.
bob, anadarko - Apr 7, 2009 at 5:04 pm
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Wow Jo, so many people commented about your posting I had to check it out. You are truely an idiot. You should at least attempt to find out what the rules and regulations are before you speak of things you know nothing about. The PAC-10 and Big 10 don't play a conference Champ game because you have to have at least 12 teams in the conference to do so and with only 8(sometimes 9) conference games a year please explain to me how a PAC-10 or Big-10 (the name is mis-leading, there are actually 11 teams in this conference) team gets to play EACH team in the conference?? At least OU is getting to the BCS games. Obviously better than what ever team you happen to be a "fan" of. Win or lose, you have to have a great season to end it in a BCS game. Oh, and I believe the term you were looking for is "prima donna".
Holly, Harrah - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Perhaps the UT president should get briefed on the rules before making himself sound like a total idiot. Flip of a coin, right. Try voted on rules. Rules that were fine by Mack "crybaby" Brown before the season started. I think they need to send a list of rules to Mack this summer so he can highlight those that he does not intend to follow.
Holly, Harrah - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:44 pm
is 'pre-madonna' before 'like a virgin', JO?
devron, BEND - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:29 pm
clowns.
devron, BEND - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:27 pm
prong horns more like prickhorns
Jeanie, Wichita Falls - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Jo you are an idiot. Before you post - check the facts. On top of not playing each team there is no "home and home each year" that would be basketball. Thanks PREMADONNA !
hint : prima dona
Big10 & Pac10 only play 8 conf games (not9)
home & home each year= playing the same team twice per season
Jeanie, Wichita Falls - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:25 pm
UT is going to beat ou once again next year. Then you gooners will be making up even more excuses why you can't beat UT.
Jason, Tulsa - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I didn't think I could hate the pronghorns more. Wow. What a bunch of crybabies. I can't wait to kick their @$$ next Fall. BOOMER SOONER!!!
Big, Boise - Apr 7, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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Maybe Texas should just put a burnt orange astericks on their helmet next year...
Matt, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:52 pm
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Come to Oklahoma and play for championships. Go to Texas to play for an asterick.

I always hated UT, but at least I respected them. No more. They are just a sad lot now. It never made me mad that they were claiming a championship that was not theirs. It made me pity them.

Like Bob said, there's no astericks by ours and we know where the trophy resides. As does everyone else.
Matt, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:40 pm
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A new trivia question: University of * is in what US city? You got it Austin....
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Sorry, postscript--the team that went to the Big 12 championship wasn't entirely decided by someone sitting at a laptop, either (unless you're referring only to the rankings at the end of the season); it was decided by all 12 coaches prior to the season when they voted on how to determine the right team if there was a tie. Mack got his vote and voted YES for the system that gave us the participant from the South last year. Not a partisan opinion---that's a fact.
Tarn, Chicago - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:31 pm
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I don't see where last year's RRR game was a spanking. The score was tied going into the fourth quarter. Now 63-14 and 65-13 in 2000 and 2003 that OU put on Texas- those are spankings.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:31 pm
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asterisks, flyover banners, one conference championship during Mack Brown's tenure - "WE'RE TEXAS"!!!
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:29 pm
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WOW Jo in Edmond...I won't pile on, though, except to reiterate the fact that's already been stated--neither the Big 10 (BIG ELEVEN) nor the PAC-10 play all the teams in their conference in the same season. Granted, they COULD add a conference championship game to their schedule...
Keep in mind, too, that although OU has lost several big games at the end of the season the past few years, the game this past season versus Florida was still competitive (as was the LSU game, the BSU game, etc.) The only "blowouts" were vs USC and West Virginia.
Tarn, Chicago - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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sad enough, but mack is this kind of loser...
david, Newcastle - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:28 pm
I wonder if the wronghorn fans would allow Penn State to put a 1969* in the national championship wall? That year both Texas and Penn State were undefeated, but the "human factor" of the polls made the wronghorns the national champions. Of course, Joe Paterno and Penn State have too much class to do something like that.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 3:13 pm
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Scott...apparently it IS news in texass as evidenced by your taking the time to come on here and post a message on an Oklahoma website..."www.newsOK.com" in case you mistook it for some texass rag which would be completely understandable, you being a non-Oklahoma person and all. UT spanked OU, lost to TT, who immediately got annihilated by OU. Don't you need to get back to busing tables or something to pay for that super classy banner flown over multiple OU games? Thankfully nobody in the other 49 states gives a s%*# what texass says or does or we would all look bad.
Todd, Atlanta - Apr 7, 2009 at 2:33 pm
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Scott so correct are you in your fine words. Guess when joking matters go wrong is where the UO topics get started. The several idiots here on this, the news for reporting it here in good ole OK and the idiot that decided to take a joke and put it on the wall at UT. WOW, even as a Longhorn fan it is funny to laugh at stupidity, on both sides of the Red River.
J, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 2:16 pm
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Wasn't Cyndi Lauper pre Madonna? Maybe Horns just wanna have fun?!
Scott, Indian Territory - Apr 7, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Wow, this must be big news in Oklahoma! Fact is people here in Austin are over last year. UT spanked OU on a neutral field. If the Horns has taken care of business in Lubbock, there would be zero arguement. They didn't and OU got their chance to get embarrassed again on national TV. It was (and is) very entertaining watching the Sooners stink it up in front of the whole nation time after time. Good luck with next season, just try to avoid making the entire Big 12 look bad. Thanks.
Scott - Apr 7, 2009 at 1:44 pm
"Pre-madonna" says all I need to know about Jo. I nearly wet myself I laughed so hard. Does that mean "before Madonna"?
greg, ft. gibson - Apr 7, 2009 at 1:20 pm
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So Jo, what color is the sky on Moron World? What happens in the PAC 10 if USC has one loss to Oregon State, Oregon has one loss to USC and Oregon State has one loss Oregon? oops...three way tie! Almost happened this year. Oh wait, that can't happen becuase they play all teams in their conference to determine a champion.
Jeff, Moore - Apr 7, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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Let's face it. Jo doesn't know much of anything. The Big 10 (11) doesn't play each team in conference, nor does the SEC or PAC 10. No conference that large plays all in-conference and therefore there is often controversy over who the exact conference winner should be. Any conference larger than 8 teams is too large for each team to play each team. OU won the south title by the rules in force at that time, then played the north caahmp (Mizzou) and kicked theri butts. Texas defeated the north champs in the regular season but were not invited to the Big 12 title game. Thank about the situations. TU nudges out OU, then lost a heart-breaker to TTU who lost BIG to OU. Comparative scores would indicate that OU is the overall WINNER! Period!!! If I were Mack Brown I'd be so ashamed that I would probably wear a mask.
Ray, St. Robert - Apr 7, 2009 at 1:03 pm
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I have or had respect for a lot of NCAA coaches and did have respect for Texas and even Brown, though I do not like them!!!! After this incident, the fly over, the TV political spot (CRYING ON TV), leaving Texas Tech out of the Big 12 equation, and Brown's so called IGNORANCE. Texas and Brown have no respect from me whatsoever. Trying to make up their own rules to play by as the season progressed and TOTAL INABILITY just to come right out and say, YES, we voted for this rule for a 3 way tie, but we need to change it!!!! Whats to change, EVERY team followed this rule that was in place, except the MIGHTY SHORTHORNS, it did not benefit us so lets change it. Texas and Brown have lost my RESPECT. Texas SUCKS!!!!!
Randy, Uvalde - Apr 7, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Apparently Jo doesn't know much about football as the Big 10 teams do not all play each other every year. I have no idea about the PAC-10 and don't really care.
Ryan, Midlothian - Apr 7, 2009 at 12:08 pm
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Don't have time to figure it out, but who would have been the winner of the BIG 12 if all teams played each other? I like the idea of the teams playing each other, because it is a whole lot more exciting and interesting to go watch OU or OSU play for example Iowa State, Baylor, etc than to go watch them play SW Louisiana School fo the Blind in the warm up games at the beginning of the season.
GH, Cowboyville - Apr 7, 2009 at 11:22 am
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Thanks, Jo...two laughs for the price of one. First the article, with "Mac's ignorance" and Stoops on-the-money quote....then your laugh riot of a post.
wahoorob, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 11:20 am
Thats loser talk Jo.
Michael, coppell - Apr 7, 2009 at 10:53 am
Jo, your exact argument would apply to either UT or Tech, had the computers ranked them ahead of OU. Everyone would have lost a game, and each to a different opponent. Simply put, there is not a good way to break a three-way tie. The current system was agreed to by all the Big XII school, and OU damn sure doesn't need to apologize for it. You want to play 11 in-conference games and eliminate the BigXII championship, fine with me.
okintx, Dallas - Apr 7, 2009 at 10:47 am
Jo, you have got to be kidding!??!! Strength of schedule put OU over TTech and Asterisk U. There were NO UNDEFEATED TEAMS in the B9g 12 South. Do we all have to explain this to you again? The facts are: OU has the trophy, the title, the glory and best of all NO asterisk.
Richard, Visalia - Apr 7, 2009 at 10:41 am
I heard that in the land of Stoolwater they paid their coach a big bonus when he proudly declared that he was a "man", and he just turned 40.
S, Norman - Apr 7, 2009 at 10:19 am
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Lets hope OU didn't pay out any bonus's to their coach's based on where a computer ranked
them. OU did not win the Big 12, there was a 3-way tie for the South, and a panel of people
using a lap-top "Gave" OU the Big 12 South Title that allowed them(OU) to play Missouri for
the Big 12 Championship. OU did not earn the right to play in the Big 12 Title game by
beating all its Big 12 opponents, it was "handed" the right to play, like a gift. Lets also hope
Buffalo Bob didn't get another bonus for winning the conference when the same previous
statement applies to him. He did not coach his team to wins over all Big 12 South opponents.
He also got a gift(Title Game)that he didn't earn. The PAC-10 and BIG-10 are, I believe, the
only BCS conference's that have a true champion by each team playing all the other teams
in the conference during the season, home-n-home, like the old Big-8. The likely hood of having a 3-way tie for the conference is far less and you get a true champion at the end
of league play, not some pre-madonna team that always gets the nod and winds up
humiliating it's fan base by going to a BCS bowl where they are always(last 6 years)in over
their head by being a non-competitive team, but they "wana-be" a winner.
jo, edmond - Apr 7, 2009 at 10:15 am
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Let me answer that for *.
S, Norman - Apr 7, 2009 at 10:15 am
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I think Brown being unaware is a bold faced lie. He knows everything that goes on in that building.
Duane, Oklahoma City, Ok. - Apr 7, 2009 at 9:55 am
My favorite headline: Mack claims ignorance.
Michael, coppell - Apr 7, 2009 at 9:50 am
You know, this kind of put the icing on the cake for me. I've read and watched all the razing on this board, other forums, etc. etc. and thought it was mostly good natured. You got to expect those kind of things when you have a good team that's always in the hunt with a good coach. But, after reading yesterday what Texas did and regardless of what Mack "now" says, I now see how things really are. Texas is a sore loser and a bunch of whinny babies. They still couldn't except reality. Even if he didn't know about it, the order came from somewhere up high to place that bunch of crap on the wall.
Scott, Chickasha - Apr 7, 2009 at 9:27 am
I have a feeling Mack is unaware of a lot of things that go on in Asstin, Texass.
Louis Friend, Norman - Apr 7, 2009 at 9:23 am
Wow, Mack admitting no knowledge of it is even more funny than the original story. I can't wait until we play again!
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Apr 7, 2009 at 8:57 am
Stoops quote was great.
jampalbo, norman - Apr 7, 2009 at 8:37 am
The trophy's in Norman. lol!!!
Rufus, spencer - Apr 7, 2009 at 7:49 am
U*t says it all.
doug, colcord - Apr 7, 2009 at 6:12 am
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