STILLWATER — Finally, after ups and downs and twists and turns, after writing off and bringing back both of these basketball teams time after time this wacky winter, we have resolution concerning the NCAA Tournament fate of our state's two Big 12 schools.
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The Oklahoma Sooners are, without question, worthy of inclusion in the madness of March.
The Oklahoma State Cowboys, without question, are not.
Those truths became evident with the stunning verdict Wednesday night at Gallagher-Iba Arena. The Blake Griffin-less Sooners waxed the high-riding Cowboys, 68-56.
In a season that until the last three weeks had been one massive disappointment after another, this ranks as the most discouraging OSU defeat.
Coach Sean Sutton called it "puzzling.” Senior Marcus Dove called it "embarrassing.”
The stage was set for State. Home floor. Arch-rival. A five-game winning streak that relieved the heat off the beleaguered Sutton and promised to make this an interesting month for Cowboy hoops. And no Griffin, the primo OU freshman who had minor knee surgery Sunday and without whom the Sooners surely were in peril.
Seemed like a script for a blowout, and darned if it didn't happen. The other way.
OSU's defense evaporated late in the first half, and the Sooners seized this game. From a 30-29 deficit in the final seconds of the first half, OU zoomed to a 55-42 lead with eight minutes to go.
"Wasn't the same team I've been watching,” Sutton said. "I don't know why that was. We just didn't have the same energy level we had been playing with.”
By the time OSU remembered to play desperate defense, which had been the lynchpin of its winning streak, it was too late.
All of which means an end to the Cowboy dream of winning at Texas, doing a little damage in the Big 12 Tournament and convincing the NCAA committee to take a flier on a 13-loss team.
"This could have been one step closer to getting into the (NCAA) Tournament,” OSU point guard Byron Eaton said. "Now it's one step back.”
Now, short of an unlikely run through Kansas City, OSU's attention turns to Sutton. Did the Cowboys do enough down the stretch to make their coach's return automatic? Probably. But you never know.
This game certainly sets off the same alarms that rang through December and January, when the Cowboys tumbled to the virtual bottom of the Big 12.
"They just came in with a tougher mindset and beat us,” said Dove, one of the few Cowboys to play well. "For us to come in here and play like this is unexplainable.”
Eaton and Sutton explained it by saying the Cowboys relaxed with the Sooners void of Griffin. But OU barely felt the loss of its oxen rookie. The Sooners still shoved the ball inside, mainly to Longar Longar, who took shots on six of OU's first seven possessions. OSU stringbean Ibrahima Thomas was no match for Longar's NBA-like backing in, and Longar had 10 points the first 11 minutes.
Later, it was OU wing man Tony Crocker whom the Cowboys failed to corral. Crocker scored 11 points in the final four minutes of the first half and finished with 25 points.
OU shot 47.7 percent from the field, and it would have been an even 50 percent had not Crocker missed a wide-open dunk in the final seconds. These Sooners are not in the habit of sniffing 50 percent shooting. Yet they were coolly efficient Wednesday night.
"Defensively, we weren't playing the way we have been lately,” Eaton said.
OU coach Jeff Capel outfoxed Sutton.The Sooners' ever-changing defense — usually a zone; OU had no hope of containing Eaton — kept OSU's offense stagnant.
Against a zone, Eaton was not the star he had been during the winning streak. He still produced decent numbers (13 points, 3-of-7 shooting, six assists), but OSU's huge advantage at the position was negated by the zones.
You can slice up a zone with salty outside shooting, but Terrel Harris and James Anderson opened cold and stayed that way. They combined to make 2-of-15 shots, including 1-of-7 from 3-point range.
By the final minutes, OSU didn't even have the option of fouling, trying to extend the game. The Cowboy fans, who came expecting a Bedlam victory that at the least would be a balm for much of this season, scurried for the exits.
Despite the flurry of recent weeks, the same can be said for this OSU season.
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Berry - Did Jenni write this for you? It reeks of her.....GARBAGE!!!!
"If the Baylor kid had not killed a teamate, cowboys would have one less final four.
cache, heber springs - Mar 7, 2008 6:21 PM" And if Sampson had not cheated, OU would not have gone either. Or had any Big 12 Tourny championships. Good logic, cache. Keep them coming, they are great! Also, good attack on my posts! That really cuts deep.
So one program is infinitely better because it has an overall record of 124-88??? OK, how about if it were 128-98? I assume the school with the 128 wins would be infinitely better then right? WRONG!!!!! The second number is the Duke/UNC rivalry numbers right now. Duke has more wins but fewer national championships (3-Duke, 4-UNC). But under the logic of cache and others, UNC has a worse program. I would venture to say both of those are premier programs and overall records can not always be used as a measuring stick. Cache, your assumption regarding the KU players' issues is just that, an assumption but quite frankly, an pathetic excuse. If the kids could not play, Self would not have played them. On the flip side, Brett Favre's best game in the past 3-5 years was after the death of his father. 400 yards, 4 touchdowns--your excuse does not wash. And your assumption regarding John Lucas is ridiculous sour grapes. Good to know you have a magic 8-ball and are capable of predicting why things happened---after the fact.
OU is a better hoops program than OSU. 124-88. More Big 8 and Big 12 titles. OSU beats KU this year only because two players had deaths in the family that week. Saxon, get your Post On! Do you get paid by the post or something? Osu is a good program with a national reputation as a difficult place to play. If the Baylor kid had not killed a teamate, cowboys would have one less final four.
Ya, you could be right. But then again, those guys tend to favor the Sooners on certain topics, in my opinion. (Not that every sports writer in Oklahoma doesnt favor either OU or OSU)
Also, something else to note. OU and OSU combined to win every Big 12 tournament from 01' to 05'. KU, OU and OSU are the only schools to win the tourny besides Iowa State in 2000. Crazy.
I just looked that up. He is incorrect. I was really surpised however, because I thought we had finished ahead of OU more then we actually have. We had the same record in 96-97, 99-00 and finished ahead in 03-04 and 06-07. OU finished higher in 98-99, 00-01, 01-02 and 02-03. Wow. I wouldn't base all of your stats from Tramel, but it was somewhat accurate in that they have placed higher in more years.
Sax, e-mailed Tramel for verification prior to your reply. He says that OU has finished ahead of OSU in men's basketball every year except 2004 since the formation of the Big 12. Hard to believe, but apparently its true.
Gary, you sounded a little mad. Yes, Eddie CHOOSE not to go, so I guess that counts for you. And yes, awhile sounds about right, what did you want me to say, forever? I hope Sean improves next year, if not, I will be on the same boat you are, thinking he should be gone. And Bob, you are refering to women's basketball. Not men's.
"Went down a while"?- I'd say making the NCAA tournament only once in a quarter of a century being down more than a while. And I know OSU didn't make the post season at least once in the 90s because Eddie Sutton chose for his team not to go to the NIT one season. And if you want to give Sean one more year, fine. But I feel he is digging your program farther into the mediocrity it was in before Eddie arrived. Just my opinion. So long.
Gary, I think OSU and USF are completely different in that Sutton had returned OSU to that previous level. Of course no one would consider USF a storied program. If you look at OSU and how they were so successful, then went down for awhile, and came back, that is what you consider a storied program. When OU had a terrible decade of football, I don't think anyone would have said they were not a storied program. I don't remember when OSU stayed home in the 90's, they went to the NIT two years, but NCAA every other with Sutton. You don't think the recruits he was calling over 500 times to come to OU played any part in their signing with OU? You don't think a high school kid who hears from a coach over and over again wouldn't start to sway somewhat with his commit to other schools based on the continual contact Sampson made? You really can't believe that. The point is, I would be disgusted by his actions and would not try to tell OSU fans that they have more tourny conference championships based on his tenure. It just wouldn't do it for me. But, like I said, that is my opinion. I think that OSU has everyone returning next season, minus Dove and the amazing Tyler Hatch. While we will miss Dove and his defensive presence, all of these freshman will have matured and will hopefully restore success to OSU. I also think OU's NCAA record is great, but they also count NIT appearances. The NIT is not something anyone wants to be in, and as a Cowboy fan, I could care less about. I, like every fellow OSU fan (and OU fan) want us to go to the NCAA tourny every year. Give Sean one more year. No NCAA means he should be gone next season. Capel reaped the benefit of grabbing B. Griffin (after Sampson got his older brother) and although they played well in Stillwater, OSU just couldn't hit a shot to save their lives. The two wins without Griffin were big, but if OU never had B. Griffin, this team would maybe be NIT bound. They just couldn't do it long term without a consistant scoring option. OSU will be fine, and the storied program that is OSU will return. If they do with Sean, he will be here for a long time. OSU is not a stepping stone job and Capel may not be at OU long. But, good win and congrats on a solid year.
Saxon--hard to say which team has the better basketball history....OSU has put more players into the pros, OU leads the head to head by wide margin, etc. A case can be made either way imo. I don't put all that much stock into final fours except for the last 30 years or so. My reason for that is it wasn't until the mid-70's that the NCAA tournament expanded. In fact, a lot of people may not realize it but up until about the mid-50's the NIT had better teams, for the most part, than did the NCAA tournament. Some of that had to do with the chance for media exposure in New York but a lot of it had to do with no independent teams being able to play in the NCAA tournament.
First of all Saxon - I'm am a different Gary from okc. I am not that moron that makes those juvenile posts. And the 10 NCAA trips I mentioned was from 1966 to 1991. Overall OU (including this year hopefully) will have had more NCAA appearances 24-22. And yes OSU has one more final four visit, 4-3. And I know about those two national titles in the 40s; USF had two in the 50s but are the Dons considered a storied program? I mean OU leads OSU head to head, more NCAA appearances, more conference titles, and holds the NCAA record for the most consecutive post-season appearances from 1982 thru 2006 in basketball while OSU stayed at home most of the 80s and some in the 90s. And Saxon, I don't think Sampson's excessive phone calls played any part in the Sooner's Big 12 championships. Yes, he broke the rules but don't hold it against the players. And one other item, Saxon; OSU is getting ready to return to another valley in college basketball for a number of years as long as Sean Sutton is the coach. They already are heading downward with this being the third year in a row that they will not be going to the dance. What storied program lately has missed the NCAA post-season three years in a row?
Saxon. okay great. we're cool. on the other hand it does make for some fun reading when our emotions and bias creep into our posts. keep it up. I really don't take anything too serious. life is too short when you are my age.
I agree it is a decent basketball tradition. But Gary, I dont understand something. If I knew that an OSU coach cheated, I wouldn't be talking about their conference tourny championships. That would be a blemish on our record to me, as an OSU fan. I am not young, and do know that OU had a strong run with Tubbs, but out of those ten appearances, most were with Tubbs in the 80's. My point is, someone telling me that OVERALL, with two national titles, more final fours and NBA caliber players, are you going to tell me (like the guy below) that OU is known for their "storied" basketball program? I would think most would not. I will tell you that I am not dumb enough to say that OU does not have tradition. Just think OSU has a little more overall in the big picture.
Saxon - basketball tradition is pretty good. They were in post season play every year for 25 years until last year. That was a record for any NCAA school. OU has more Big 12 regular season and tournament championships (4-3) and more Big 8 regular season and tournament championships (9-4). You must be rather young Saxon or have a short memory because from 1966 thru 1991, OSU made only one NCAA appearance while the Sooners made 10. In the l980s Billy Tubbs teams were going to the dance every year while OSU was staying home. In the 70s and 80s OU was definitely the premier basketball school in the state while OSU was an afterthought with GIA with its 6000 capacity seldom full. Eddie Sutton did a good job of resurrecting the program in the 90s and started filling GIA but for a quarter century, OSU basketball was not a power to be reckoned with. Many old OSU fans will tell you that.
Joe, I agree with you on one point. I cheer for OU when they are not playing OSU and we serve no benefit from an OU loss. Half of my family went to OU and the other half, including me, when to OSU. The point is, I can't believe all of the immature comments from both Sooners and Cowboys on here. It's unreal.
Examples from below: "And when you get a little too annoying we just SLAP THE CRAP OUTTA YA!!!! BOOMER SOONER BABY!!!!!!!!"
"Why are you lOSUr's upset?" "Joyce, be proud of all those goat roping national championships OSUcks has."
While I should not have said Gooner and loser, maybe you could explain how OSU fans are worse than OU fans, as you brother says. I would think both sides are about even. But, it just matters which team you cheer for. Again, sorry I used the word "loser" but looking down below, I would say some of the examples are worse.
Saxon. being an OU grad and my brother being an OSU grad we root for each other's team unless playing each other. We don't trash each other's team. Will admit, however, we will talk a little trash about other opponents though.
Right Joe, tell me, what did I say in my post that made OSU "second class". Have you even seen the posts from your OU buddies? But again, I ask, was I being rude or saying something outlandish below? Don't see any "second class", unless you count the OU posts below mine. And I really doubt your OSU brother would really say that we are second class.
Eric, since we are staying home this dance, tell us Cowboy fans how it feels to stay home from any tourny last season. You post defines what a true Gooner is. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about "Every basket consituted a loud roar" You are the biggest moron I have ever seen on this board (and there are alot). You mean, a team was cheered on after they scored a basketball in basketball? Would they do the same if they scored a touchdown in football? What a douche you must be. Don't care about beating OSU? Then why are you on here? Ha. And Rufus, you love bringing up Dexter Manley for some reason. Would you like OSU fans to bring up all the outstanding athletes from the past and present at OU? Both schools have had some bad kids, but you really lower yourself when you bring up an old player and then compare him to all OSU graduates. Come up with a better insult, loser.
It is funny how OU fans think that "OSU'ers" are annoying. Tell me, your little "boomer sooner" thing, how many times does the OU band play that song during a game. All you hear is, first down OU, boomer sooner, boomer sooner. Uh oh, cherokee kid gets sacked, boomer sooner, boomer sooner. It's the end of the game and OU gets beat by West Virginia, boomer sooner, boomer sooner. I wish that stupid band would learn another song already. Talk about annoying charles.
You OSU'ers are so cute. Some of your little quips are even a tiny bit humorous. You're just like little brother; kind of cute but mostly annoying. And when you get a little too annoying we just SLAP THE CRAP OUTTA YA!!!! BOOMER SOONER BABY!!!!!!!!
Fear NOT Poke fans....Next year,will be a year to remember....We have all our BB players back and,we should be a dominant team in football as well....There is no reason believe that our FB teams will not be better than this last year.We should brush aside the gooners football team without a fight,since they have lost there top players from a year ago and,we should be in the Big 12 CG if,we can get past the Longhorns....The future is bright for OSU,Go Pokes,Gooners suck!!!
Sharyn I think we've got off on the wrong foot here? You seem like a great gal and you're definitely a Sooner fan so how about it? Let's say we bury the hatchet while you…oh I don’t know…you go do some laundry and, if it gets your fancy, you can go ahead and milk some cows...but whatever you do...don't go drinking with Myra! Also you need to get all cleaned up every day and greet the man that supports you with a smile and a beer. How about it...we’re all good now?
Roy, Why don't you go milk a cow or something. HOw dare you perceive me as unemployed. You don't know me. Get a life. You seem like such a dumb man. Why don't you come do the laundry?
Billy, since you like to point out the old series win total. Could you please explain to everyone why OU is a better basketball program then OSU? I would love to hear all about OU's storied traditions on the court. Everyone in the country considers OU a better basketball program, right?
Sharyn think about it...there's going to be 64 losers and one winner for the NCAA tourney. And your team is struggling to make it to the NIT??? Now you seem like a smart girl...so go do some laundry.
It's funny how I never hear anything about basketball from OU fans. Even if you get beat in kickball or four square you always bring up your football. Just a question, how many of your fans were smart enough to go to OU? Most of the OSU fans actually went to the school. If you want to bring up football and a particular game. Um.....Darren Sproles that's all I have to say. GO KSU!!!!!!!!
Sorry that I called osu "a .500 team" since they're a magnificent 16-13, (or .550) i guess i was just looking ahead a couple of weeks when after they lose at texas, and then lose the first round at the big 12 and lose in the NIT they will be 16-16, or .500 so my apologies to the fans of the school with such a prominent basketball tradition...the tradition rich, dominant state program that's 88-124 all time against OU... or a .420 team in Bedlam all time for you, Joyce. Hey at least football season is coming up in Stillwater....wait, you're not good at that either, haha i love it.
Roy, All I said was Capel was showing improvement, I did not say I liked OU. He is still a long ways away form Coach of teh Year which is what was being discussed. Nope no red in my closet. I will be watching and cheering on the competition. OU will not get very far in the tourney because of their inconsistent play. Of course it would be best to make the NCAA...but the better question is...isn't it better to do well and go deep in the tourney rather than get embarrassed? If they make the Sweet 16, I will be shocked!!
GOOD JOB COACH CAPEL!!!!! You turned this thing around faster than anyone thought. Does anyone remember the name of the previous coach? WHO CARES. Coach Capel your home is here in Norman. Please STAY!!!!
It sounds like Joyce has some serious issues. But only a OSU graduate could misspell Eeeked--(which isn't even a word...but whatever--I'm sure it is at McDonalds so I can't get mad at her) and the proceed to ramble on about wrestling titles. Typical.
Oh well. I am sure she in enjoying life in Arlington rendering cattle.
That's great Sharyn! I figured you were a closet OU fan. Be a good fan and watch. Now if you watch ESPN 2 you might get to see OSU in the NIT...but that's still a big maybe? Would it be better to make it to the NCAA tournament or the NIT? Hmmm...you seem like a smart girl...ponder it and get back to us.
Joyce, all those titles were in wrestling. Not to belittle it as it was my favorite sport in high school, but nobody watches wrestling except a few die hards. Thats like OU braggin on Mens Gymnastics titles. Good for them, but who cares. Capel is now 3-1 vs. the Pokes and OU is 124-88 ALL-TIME vs OSU in basketball, a sport you claim to dominate OU in. Everyone here needs to grow up with all the name calling garbage. The slams on Eddie Sutton's drinking and Kelvin Sampson's cheating are tired too. Neither are at the schools any more, and both are paying for their crimes. Get some new material. Talk about sports; scores, records, players (on the field)
Why are you lOSUr's upset? Sooner almost always beat the aggies. Question, do you guys actually have to know how to read (Dexter Manley) to go to OSU these days?? I see they put pictures on the register keys at McDonalds for you these days, so probably not..
Jeff Capel has even surprised me! IMHO a great coach in the making. Big 12 Coach of the Year! Maybe! Needs a huge raise from OU's SELF-SUPPORTING athletic department. Nothing against the Ag's but fire Sutton!
Geez do you people have jobs, it is nice to be out of Oklahoma and the insanity that I read any time I pull up the SoonerOklahoman, it is just too bad that OSU fans would let an idiot like Barry OU Trammel get them going. Ironically normally OU considers Football the only sport there is until they actually win in another one.
OSU is 4th in the Nation for MOST NCAA's in Mens Sports, what number is OU.....I will answer they are not even on the list.....Now Basketball is your sport, (at least until this coach gets in trouble for cheating...the legacy (something to brag about)and the math that was ecked out.. you can somehow make 16-13 a 500 season, hope you didn't get an accounting degree...get a life
Nathan, OU's SOS is top 10, OSU lost to Texas State or some such horrible school. OU played KU in Phog without Blake, OSU played in KU in GIA. NATHAN, EVERYTHING YOU WROTE WAS COMPLETELY INACCURATE. You look like an idiot.
Roy...Not a silver lining there bud, facts. The Sooners are not playing that well either. Wasn't it just a week ago they were held to 12 points in the 1st half?? Can't do that during MArch Madness.
Sharyn good call. Reach for that silver lining...reach. Only the top 65 get in...everybody else takes scraps at the master's feet (NIT). Will the Pokes make the NIT? I sure hope so...these articles are great!
The answer David is "NO". Berry likes to leave articles involving OSU to one of the Oklahoman's best writers Jenni Carlson. Her insightfulness and professionalism is a beacon of light in today's skeptical world.
The problem: The Cowboys should have expected the Sooners to play the way they did. They didn't and therefore weren't prepared. Harry Truman would have said, "The Buck Stops Here". Sean Sutton said he was puzzled, which is where he has been for most of his tenure. I would characterize him as in a state of profuse, perspiring, BEWILDERMENT.
This is just a bunch of typical Sooner garbage. And the goat roping thing is real mature. What do you expect I guess. Like I said, Garbage. GO POKES!!!
you have got to be kidding me! unless everyone on here is under the age of ten, GROW UP!!! it's a game. there'll be another one next year. life revolves around more than a single sport!
Yeah that's just silliness or foolish aggie pride, Nathan. OU's strength of schedule is #8 in the NCAA, I don't know osu's exact spot but it's somewhere in the 70's range. So osu eeked out a .500 season against an average schedule while OU is 10 games over .500 against a much more difficult schedule. I hope this helps you understand the state of the two programs more fully. Sorry if I used any big words.
OSWHO??? 2-0 baby!! It was a amazing last night....sitting at a bar in Tulsa that was about 80% OSU fans....watching the looks on their faces....it amazes me at how bad they want to beat OU. Every basket consituted a loud roar....It must be tough having the red-headed step child syndrome. Doesnt that card get old? I guess I would have to be a fan of an average athletic program to know how that feels. But I get no real pleasure out of beating OSU...the only real pleasure is not having to hear the OSU people rubbing it in our faces if they so happen to get a victory in football or basketball. Luckily we didnt have to mess with that this year....3-0 counting football. Until then continue to dream Cinderella.....your staying home this dance!!!!!!!!!
hey nathan, what are you smoking/drinking to think that osu fans are better people? i'll admit that you all serve fries/clean toilets with the best of em. just keep telling yourself that, as you endure loss after loss after loss after loss....
Sutton: "We just didn't have the same energy level we had been playing with.”
BULL. They just outplayed by a better team and he got outcoached by Capel with the changing zone defenses and his brilliant subbing, especially with Longar and Griffin when they were in foul trouble. At least the Ags can always say they won in wrestling .... oooops.
Why do all you OSU fans act like all OU fans are obsessed with OU and that our lives revolve around OU athletics? That may be the case for some, but my priorities are God, family, friends, country, job and all the things that go into those things. Somewhere below that is OU sports and sports in general. Im dissappointed when they lose, but I never lose sleep. Some people invest WAY too much in 20 year old kids.
John in Del City...sorry. I've obviously struck a cord with you. But I can say that OU won't go 5-7 this year. Can you do the same? BTW, are you the John who is an alumnus from OSU Tech by any chance???
Let's get back to basketball. The facts: OU record overall - 20-10; in conference - 8-7. OSU 16-13; 7-8. January 28 in Norman - Sooners beat Cowboys 64-61. March 5 in Stillwater on Senior Night - Sooners cruise to victory 68-56. That's what OSU fans think is "running even in basketball." Nathan in Edmond must have majored in statistics at OSU.
Nathan, Edmond: "OU AND OSU are running even in basketball".............OU is 20-10, 8-7 in conference, OSU is 16-13, 7-8 in conference. OU is 2-0 vs. OSU this year. And here is the biggy - RPI: OU=27, OSU=81. Running even? Maybe only because OU already lapped OSU.
I'm sorry Nathan, I missed something here! What BCS games have OSU been too? OH that's right, you guys can't even sniff BCS game. I do believe that OU sells out 85,385 seats when it plays in football. OSU can't even fill up a 60,000 seat stadium unless OU is playing. So who's loyal? And about trailor park, and kicking dogs, that never crosses an OU fans mind. But you guys are known as Cowboys right? So since you brought it up, you must be living it. Quit kicking your dogs Nathan, they don't play the game!!BOOMER SOONER!!!
GOOD GENTLE JESUS!!!! This reminds me of the playground at Patrick Henry Elementary school back when I was in the second grade! Can we all not be grown up people on this board? And by the way Hollywood is "you're" not "your". I normally try not to correct people because lord knows I'm not perfect, but that just happens to be the one pet peeve I have.
P.S. Stynker---"Punctuation is your friend"---thats a killer, I actually laughed out loud in the my office.
It's called envy. OSU actually has a good basketball program overall and yet a OSU fan shows up to the game with a sign making fun of OU's Fiesta Bowl loss. OSU football has made a bowl game in the last 2 yrs because the NCAA allows .500 teams to get a bid. OU's Fiesta Bowl appearances have followed Big 12 championships and yet here is a sign at a basketball game. OU needs more fan support for its basketball program. OSU has problems filling a football stadium with one end under construction.
Nathan, your an idiot. Did you not see the game last night? Senior night, bedlam, tourny on the line and you still can't fill GIA. That's really the way you back your team? loser
You STOOLWATER fans need too get off of this board because now you don't have a winning team in any one of the sports. Man, Boons money can't even help, that's gotta suck!! BOOMER SOONER!!
the sad thing is that eventhough OU does win... most OU fans still lose. the OU fans only high in life rests on whether or not OU wins or loses. us OSU fans are fans DESPITE our 2nd or even 3rd tier status... and win OR lose. most of us support our team because we are loyal fans. when OU loses... 80% of your fan base goes with it... usually back to their parents house or their trailer park where they beat their wives and kick their dogs. wonder how many animals have lost their lives after your last 2 BCS embarassments? like it or not... right now, OU AND OSU are running even in basketball. OSU has more quality wins than the OU program. IF the schedules were switched, OSU would have the better record... easily. OU couldn't beat Kansas... there's no way. that is all i have for now. you OU fans respspond when you wake up from your night shift at the waffle house. have a good day.
Hey Henry in Edmond, you are ust jealous that OU has a football program. Looks like the athletic village being built in Stoolwater, should be called idiots village or Loser village, .....
Every team, every coach, and every University has their ups and downs. I am a HUGE OU fan, both through the good and bad times- I bleed Crimson and Cream. That is what a TRUE fan is.....some of you seem to be fair weather fans.......go find somewhere else to whine and snivel!
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cache, heber springs - Mar 7, 2008 6:21 PM" And if Sampson had not cheated, OU would not have gone either. Or had any Big 12 Tourny championships. Good logic, cache. Keep them coming, they are great! Also, good attack on my posts! That really cuts deep.
"Why are you lOSUr's upset?" "Joyce, be proud of all those goat roping national championships OSUcks has."
While I should not have said Gooner and loser, maybe you could explain how OSU fans are worse than OU fans, as you brother says. I would think both sides are about even. But, it just matters which team you cheer for. Again, sorry I used the word "loser" but looking down below, I would say some of the examples are worse.
My brother, an OSU Engineering grad, say it's pathetic Aggies like you that give OSU second class status year end and year out.
Oh well. I am sure she in enjoying life in Arlington rendering cattle.
OSU is 4th in the Nation for MOST NCAA's in Mens Sports, what number is OU.....I will answer they are not even on the list.....Now Basketball is your sport, (at least until this coach gets in trouble for cheating...the legacy (something to brag about)and the math that was ecked out.. you can somehow make 16-13 a 500 season, hope you didn't get an accounting degree...get a life
The answer David is "NO". Berry likes to leave articles involving OSU to one of the Oklahoman's best writers Jenni Carlson. Her insightfulness and professionalism is a beacon of light in today's skeptical world.
Berry said to tell you the answer is no, and the reason why is because you Aggies can't even spell his name right. LOL
BULL. They just outplayed by a better team and he got outcoached by Capel with the changing zone defenses and his brilliant subbing, especially with Longar and Griffin when they were in foul trouble. At least the Ags can always say they won in wrestling .... oooops.
P.S. Stynker---"Punctuation is your friend"---thats a killer, I actually laughed out loud in the my office.