The reluctant AD: Holder didn't want job
Pickens persuaded golf coach that he was qualified
The reluctant AD: Holder didn't want job

By Andrea Cohen
Published: April 3, 2008

STILLWATER — The man who sealed Sean Sutton's fate as Oklahoma State's basketball coach never wanted to be an athletic director. Never gave it any thought, really.

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Mike Holder was plugging right along as the nation's most successful golf coach until three years ago when his billionaire best friend threw him under the bus — or, as it were, into the OSU athletic director's chair.

"They were looking for a new AD and I said, ‘Well, you got the perfect guy for the job,' ” OSU alumnus and oil magnate T. Boone Pickens said. "They said, ‘Who?' I said, ‘Well, Holder.' It was so obvious to me that you had a guy who could do everything you want to have done.”

Pickens' word and wallet carried a lot of weight.

"(Former OSU President David) Schmidly said ‘We've got to go through a search process.' I said, ‘If you already know who the best man is, why waste money?' But that's what they wanted to do. As far as I was concerned, it was a sham. I was going to make a major gift, and I told them, ‘I'm not making a gift unless I have somebody I'm comfortable with as the AD.'”

Pickens made a record-breaking $165 million donation to the athletic department less than four months after Holder got the job.

But Pickens also had to sell Holder on the idea, which wasn't easy. Over 32 years as OSU's golf coach Holder had raised the funds for and completed an extraordinary golf course, won eight national golf titles, and was pretty content with, what he calls, "kind of our own kingdom for golf.”

But Pickens knew how to push the buttons of a man he considers "like a son.”

"I told him, ‘You figured out how to win in NCAA golf,'” Pickens said. "‘You proved to everybody you've got the best program. In the same way you're going through life with your feet on the handlebars. You figured out how to win, but you haven's had to think for a long time.' And that ticked him off.'”

Ticked him off to the point where he took the job.

Holder and Pickens
It is ironic considering his current position, but in many ways the golf program was a self-sustaining universe Holder built despite an athletic director.

He tells the story of going into the athletic director's office the year after he became the coach and having the AD tell him he was cutting the program's already-small budget. Holder informed the AD that if the budget was cut he was worried the Cowboys wouldn't be able to compete for national championships.

"And he said, ‘Well, we don't necessarily want a national championship contender in golf,'” Holder recalls. "And I don't know of I just thought this or if I actually said it to him, but I thought, ‘Well, you may not want one, but if I'm going to be the coach you're going to have one.' From that day forward I understood that if we were going to have the resources we needed they were going to have to be created by someone, probably the golf coach.”

Pickens, of course, figured into Holder's success as a fundraiser and ultimately building Karsten Creek Golf Club. The two met in the early 1970s when mutual friend — and fellow OSU alum and donor — Jerry Walsh brought Pickens, his closest friend, to the first Cowboy Pro-Am golf tournament. Holder was an assistant golf coach at the time, and Walsh told Pickens he wanted the two to meet.

"Jerry thought he was a serious guy for such a young age,” Pickens said. "Jerry kidded him all the time; he thought he was gullible. I later kinda decided that he let Jerry think he fell for some of his jokes because he knew he had a good backer in Walsh.”

When Walsh died in a car accident in 1995 Pickens and Holder grew closer. They started hunting quail together, and Pickens compares Holder's hunting skills to his life skills.

"He wasn't a very good shot at first,” Pickens said. "But he goes after something and stays on the trail until he gets it.”

Turning out the lights
Pickens describes Holder as "staying on the trail.”

Former player Willie Wood calls him "an extremely driven individual.”

PGA golfer Scott Verplank stands by the initial impression he had when Holder recruited him.

"He's all business,” Verplank said. "He's very demanding, but he does it the right way. He always set a good example. He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't use bad language. He doesn't ask anybody to do anything he hasn't done. If he wanted you there at 6, he was there at 5:30.”

Holder is at the gym by 6:30 a.m. and in his office at 8. He pays a member of the OSU strength and conditioning staff to train him, even though he could probably hit him up for tips for free. He insists on paying for everything, all the way down to candy bars at football games — "They'll say ‘Coach, you can just have it,' but that's not the right thing,” he says.

He is usually wearing something of a uniform — black pants, white shirt, orange sweater vest — and notices appearances.

David Edwards, who played under Holder from 1976-78, recalls playing in a tournament in Ohio his freshman year.

"We checked into a hotel and 10 minutes later coach came and said, ‘Get your stuff, we're leaving. This isn't a nice enough hotel,'” Edwards said. "It really wasn't that bad. It wasn't a flea bag, but it wasn't great. We didn't check into the Taj Mahal — where we went wasn't a huge step up – but there was a mindset there that we had a standard and less than that wasn't acceptable.”

But wasting money is a cardinal sin. An OSU coach said it's a common understanding that athletic department money should be spent like it's your own, and Holder shakes his head as he mentions how the golf coaches at another Big 12 school always rented Cadillacs on the road. Athletic department employees notice him looking in offices to see if they're occupied, then turning off the light to save electricity if nobody's in there.

"I think it's good that you present the right image,” he said. "A lot of times how you feel about yourself is reflected in the score that you shot. If you feel good about yourself and have confidence and you think you're as good as anyone there, chances are you're going to play at that level. At the same time, wasting money is not acceptable.”

Holder is adamant that he does not micromanage his coaches.

"I'm not going to come in here and tell a coach how to run his program,” Holder said at the news conference announcing Sutton's resignation. "I think it's up to each coach to manage their own program, to be the captain of their shop and the master of their fate.”

People skills
While lobbying for Holder to become athletic director, somebody opposing the idea told Pickens that Holder wasn't "too golf-course friendly.”

"Holder had said something to him about parking his cart on his grass (on the course) and he didn't like that,” Pickens said. "I said, ‘You should have parked your golf cart where you're supposed to.”

But Pickens and Holder both acknowledge Holder's people skills needed some changes.

"We'd go on campus and I'd ask him who people were and he didn't know,” Pickens said. "I'd say Mike, you're part of this. In a way he wasn't. He was out at Karsten Creek. His record was impeccable, but he wasn't tied in real tight to the campus. He is now.”

Said Holder: "I've had to become a lot more outgoing and I listen to a lot more people now. It was very difficult for me at the beginning, but I think I've grown into the job.”

For those attributes he's looked to his wife, Robbie, who former player Willie Wood calls "the sweet side.”

"She's the polar opposite of me,” Holder said, beaming when her name comes up in conversation. "I would like to take her personality and put it in my chair. Let me be in the background and coach her a little bit and I think we could be really good.”

Holder is blunt and honest — "When you ask me something you're going to get a no comment or exactly what I'm thinking,” he says — and even now athletic department employees occasionally refer to his office as "the lion's den.”

"If he has a fault it's that he's just so straightforward and honest,” said former OSU golfer Doug Tewell.

Said former player Bob Tway: "I'm not going to say he's the best people person, but it's just how he is. Once you get to know him and get through the barrier, it's different. Sometimes he gets labeled as aloof, but I think he's gotten much better.”

All about OSU
While the OSU fan base is ecstatic about the improvements to facilities Holder is working on, he has made some polarizing decisions in his tenure as athletic director. He's raised ticket prices and donation requirements, and, of course, forced out Sutton, a favorite son of OSU.

It's also frequently asserted that Pickens has too much influence.

"People are generally suspicious when there's a lot of money involved,” Holder said. "Does he have influence? Well certainly, because I value his opinion. But he's way too busy trying to make money to give away, he can't be bothered with the everyday dealings here in the athletic department. But sure, any big decision to be made around here if I'm involved I'm going to ask his opinion about.”

With Holder's biggest and most public test as an athletic director in motion, Holder said Tuesday he wasn't yet sure how he would proceed with the search for a new men's basketball coach, but would be taking suggestions from other coaches.

"I've always said I'm very coachable,” he said.

Weeks back, when talking about his job, Holder wanted to emphasize one thing to his fan base.

"People out there don't need to worry about what my motives are,” he said. "They're good. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I don't have to be. I've got smart people around me. And aside from my family, Oklahoma State is the most important thing in my life.”


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With the way it eventually played out, he handled it properly. Everyone was whining and moaning about how Holder would not come out during the season and endorse or condemn Sean. Well, we know the reason why now. So what would you have preferred him to do? Knowing he was going to fire Sean he could have A) Lied to everyone and said he (Sutton) has his (Holder's) full support. Then everyone would have been in full riot mode for him being a liar. Or, B) he could have come out and state that Sean will be gone at the end of the year. Now would that not have been a great way to boost moral and performance of the team? He chose neither. He kept quiet, repeatedly stated that coaching decisions will be done after the season, and that is what he did. The media and those of us here contributed infinitely more to the percieved debacle by constantly propogating rumors and innuendo on both sides. He did his job. You liked Sean but he got fired. Both you and he will get over it.
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 4, 2008 10:37 PM
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Also, even if he does make a knock-out hire, it doesn't take away from the fact that he handled this situation poorly. I hope all OSU fans will get behind the new coach, no matter who it is. We need to help this team get back to it's successful past.
Jacob, Kansas - Apr 4, 2008 2:18 PM
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I can understand the argument that he was not performing. I can, I just think the situation itself was handled poorly and am doubtful Holder and Boone and fish out a big-time hire. Hopefully they will prove me wrong, but I am not holding my breath. All things considered, there is plenty on both sides that is not talked about that has been going on with both parties. It is a sad situation. There is a difference in Lubick when you compare him to Sean. Lubick's teams were going downhill for 5-6 seasons. Sean had two years and had everyone but Dove returning next season after progress towards in the end of the season. That is why he should have at least given him one more season.
Jacob, Kansas - Apr 4, 2008 2:16 PM
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Barry, for me, it is not hearsay. Have dealt with Holder and have known the Suttons for quite awhile. Just my opinion after dealing with him. Sorry if I offended you, just because he is the AD and Boones buddy doesn't mean he gets a free pass. Hopefully he will make a good hire, trust me it would not be good for him in the long run if he doesn't (after Boone goes).
Jacob, Kansas - Apr 4, 2008 1:20 PM
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Wait and see who Holder hires before we start bashing him. Give him a chance.
Barry, Oklahoma City - Apr 4, 2008 11:40 AM
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No what is sad is people who make unqualified comments based on hearsay and belittle the two people who have individually done more for the university's sports programs than any other person in OSU history but one (Iba). People get all touchy/feely about certain members of the coaching staff but are too myopic to understand what is necessary to elevate our programs to the point we all want. Can not have it both ways. Either you want to make sure all ex-OSU players/coaches are employed by OSU or you need to look at cold-hard-facts and turn this ship around. Tough decisions have to be made. Some are not initially popular but they are made with sustainable, long-term results in mind.
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 4, 2008 11:08 AM
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Dean, that Tuttle High School education is really paying off.
TJ, Dallas - Apr 4, 2008 10:04 AM
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Long afternoon if the office Barry. Calling you a lawyer was being a poor sport, but you were talking about laws and requirements.
Arron, Holdenville - Apr 4, 2008 9:45 AM
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Nice try. He is still a jerk and I am being kind. Lot nerve those defending Holder talk about Sean riding his Eddie's shirt tail. Looks like Holder is doing some pretty impressive shirt tail riding himself.
Brian, Owasso - Apr 4, 2008 8:17 AM
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Nice that someone tried to make Holder look like a decent guy. Too bad, when the cameras are off and he shows his true colors, that is not the case. Sad.
Jacob, Kansas - Apr 3, 2008 11:37 PM
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Sounds better than GAYLORD UNIVERSITY!
K, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 10:53 PM
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No, Jacob, you did not offend me, I do not know Holder or Pickens personally but my old man says he was in geology school with Pickens. I agree nobody gets a free pass. But firing coaches who are not performing, regardless of the interval, is part of job. I think the man (or rather men) became more important than the program which is wrong in my opinion. For example, up here the locals are all up in arms about Sonny Lubick being fired a few months back. Perfect example of the man being bigger than the program. He had good teams during the 90's--best in their history--but for the past five years they have been horrible. The man deserved to be fired (I wonder if at any other time a university fired a guy when his name was on the stadium?) but all anyone could talk about was how wonderful he is. Who cares? Invite him to dinner. But if he is not performing, you have to make the hard decision. Speaking of which, up here they decided to follow OSU's lead and hired, not the best candidate to replace him, but the best candidate who had CSU ties. They sold themselves short with their selection. Glad I am not a Ram fan and I hope Holder is reaching for the stars during his selection.
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 4, 2008 2:05 PM
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'Boone Pickens State'

Has a nice ring to it, don't it?
Harold, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 9:14 PM
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OK, Dean. List for me the things he did which you feel were wrong. 1) Fire Sean Sutton. Sorry, right move as program was not progressing. 2) Raise ticket prices. Ticket prices everywhere are going up. Gas prices, food prices, cars, just about everything but real estate. Got to deal with it because it is inevitable. 3)Ticket package thing. An attempt to get OSU people in the seats for all games, not just OU fans for one game. May not like it, but it is a sound move with a proven history for working. As with the whole TBP thing, the era of nickle and dime donations is over. We tried that for years and our facilites and foundation were weak. As any salesman would do, why sell one-game tickets when you can sell a package. Brings more money into the coffers. Sure it is going to hit the little guy harder, but it is called a commitment to the program. Time will tell if this is or is not going to work, but my gut tells me it will. 4) Pursuing moving the TTU game to Dallas. Fact--there are more OSU alums in Texas than in Oklahoma. The locals will have to travel or get shut out. But on the other hand, you now have a venue where the largest single assembly of graduates now have access to an OSU game every year. Fact--Recruiting prospects are more plentiful and of better overall quality in Texas. You now are showcasing the program every year in one of the hottest recruiting regions in the country. Seems pretty smart to me. In addition, he has forged quality relationships with a lot of big buck donors. TBP, Karsten Solheim, the founder of Ping Golf and the namesake of our premier course, and many others. Managing an athletic village which will provide venues, housing, training, etc. that makes the Olympic training center look like a third world country's Peace Corp project. All of which are necessary to elevate all of our programs to the status we desire. You do not like the fact he fired Sean, OK, you opinion and I can live with that. But answer me this. You are extremely ill and a relative is a doctor. Problem is, he is just an average doctor who may or may not be able to help you. Across the street is a specialist who has a track record of curing what ails you. You going to go to the relative?
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 3, 2008 8:37 PM
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He my know the x's and o's of golf but know little else when it comes to manangin an athetic program.
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 8:11 PM
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the magic man I doubt it!!!! He is a golf coach not an AD. He may no the x's and o's of golf but know little alse when it comes to mananging an athletic program. Without the T-Bone Pickens money he wouold be and imbicile...
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 8:06 PM
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I've had the good fortune to play golf with Coach Holder one or two times...when you think of him please think of this...he started with very little and brought OSU 8 NCAA Golf titles...he somehow put together Karsten Creek...Give this man credit...he is the magic man...just wait...and OSU fans will be as proud of him in this role as they were as his role of Golf Coach...Thanks Coach
james A., san miguel de allende - Apr 3, 2008 7:52 PM
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won't do us no good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 7:50 PM
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good luck on the donationationes from the benefactoR!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 7:49 PM
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time for the HEMLOCK.


Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 7:26 PM
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"Where are you Barry?" As the byline indicates, Fort Collins, Colorado. "I was there...." In Fort Collins, I assume? Just looked it up and that was in 1962. I did not even know OSU had ever played CSU in anything. Regardless, in 1962, I was just a mischevious glint in my daddy's eye. Been in Colorado since graduation day in 1990. "Down by just 15 points...." Seeing as how the game barely reached 50, 15 points is a lot, regardless of time. Would Holder have fired IBA after losing to a superior Kansas team? Doubt it. Did not fire Sean last year after losing by 30 to a better Kansas team. Or to any better team. Problem is there are currently too many better teams...OSU fans, since 1990, do not accept the opponent being the better team. But right now, most of them are.
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 3, 2008 7:15 PM
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and Mr. Iba drank his Milk !!!!
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 7:11 PM
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we won the 65-66 season in the big 8. So what gives? You pundits of Rome?
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 6:52 PM
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Where are you Barry? I was there when
Skip Iba scored a lay up with 17 minutes to go and got pulled from the line up because he was supposed to be playing defense. We were just 15 points down in the second half with 13 minutes to go. Defense, defense, defense. We lost to a Jayhawk team that in the warm up drills had 6 guys dunk the ball. We didn't have one that could dunk the ball. The 7th guy did it backwards for the Kansas team. Do you think we were outclassed? You bet. We lost. Fire Mr. Iba? Look at the AD now. He would!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 6:48 PM
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Say what you want. Holder is a winner and the trickle down effect will apply here. Wait and see. I still love my brick of old GIA btw
tracy, norman - Apr 3, 2008 6:41 PM
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I want my brick money back. I can no longer support this athetetic department. No loyalty to the programs. Road to Rome because of the money. Not my venue.
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 6:18 PM
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Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 6:15 PM
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63-64 abd 64-65 seasons
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 6:11 PM
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By the way, he would have probably dismissed Hank Iba in the 64, 65 seasons with their won loss record. What kind of AD do we have? Mr. Iba's record for those years does not approach Sean's record for his two years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 6:09 PM
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Hey, I just want my money back from supporting the bricks drive for GIA. This guy as an athletic director, really. Put him back as a coach of the golfers. He has no charisma as an atheletic director. So when is a person creating more problems with the alumni and supporters supposed to be adored? If I was him, I would just go ahead and drink the hemlock or watch out for who might being giving it to him. Socrates was consumed with himself. This AD better watch out; he just might find that those dollars don't do a thing. Then we can get rid of the Socrates.
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 5:48 PM
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Hey, Patrick. I have been quiet because gloating is not my style. I know a lot of people are disgusted by the move but I am pleased it was made. I can just leave it at that. As I said before, I like Sean the person and now that this has transpired, I wish him the best in future endeavors. I, too, hope that the powers that be can find a quality candidate that will restore the program and get all of us arguing with opponents instead of ourselves. Aaron, you are correct about one thing. As such...Steve from Tulsa, please accept my apology. I had no business stooping to name calling..... My ire has been raised recently by the litany of posters that are calling for Holder's dismissal. This whole situation--for me--has been about W/L and the program's relative worth when compared against other D-1 programs. In this aspect, I respect the business decision that was made. When it comes to business, personal feelings must be put aside and a positive long-term prospectus must be endeavored. For that reason, I think this is the right move. A lot of people despise the fact T-Boone's money plays into it, but as a business man, I can tell you that when one of my "cash cow" clients tell me to jump, I ask how high? Every business must be this way or they will no longer be in business. I have about four client that I will try to move the moon for and about 40 clients that give me work sporadically. Those four big clients contribute 90% of my operating capital. In the same way, the OSU athletic department has thousands of small investors but one investor has provided capital that surpasses their cumulative contributions exponentially. Of course he is going to have the biggest say in what goes on. When Carl Icahn or Warren Buffet invest into a company, do you not think they want a significant say in what happens? Protect your investment. Seems to me T-Boone has quite the investment here. However, Aaron, you are incorrect about another...what ever gave you the impression I was a lawyer????? Good Lord, No.
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 3, 2008 5:35 PM
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Hey Barry. You've been eerily quiet through all of this. Even though we vehemently disagreed over whether or not Sean should be fired, I give you full credit for this: You have not gloated or danced over Sean's grave. Now that the deed is done, I am as anxious as anyone to see how this all plays out and hope Holder finds the right candidate for the job and one that can re-unite the Cowboy fan base.
Patrick, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 4:07 PM
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Barry the bloodsucking lawyer doesn't read the article just tries to parasite the life out of fellow bloggers. What are lawyer rules of poor sportsmen? You usually have some points made about the article in question, but this is a shot at Steve. Don't waste your time, and present your points as usual. You are intellingent and know you can't change what one thinks. Who does the mountain man believe should be the next hire? Patrick is mocking, does that make him a bad sport? That mountain air confuses your values. If you want the respect of a man act like one. We are sports fans not litigants. Is calling someone a dumb@ss worse than stating an opinion about a sports team? This billyboy logic doesn't help your program.
Arron, Holdenville - Apr 3, 2008 4:06 PM
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Really? It is a LAW the school has to go through a search process? Would that be right next the the law against murder, or down a bit further next to the jaywalking laws? It is not a law you rube. It may be required by the NCAA or by the OSU Regents, but it is not a LAW. The only reason it is required by the regents is because they are ultimately responsible for the hire and have to approve it. The NCAA just want to put their two cents, (err, $734,195--it is the NCAA) in and push minority hiring rules.
Barry, Fort Collins - Apr 3, 2008 3:39 PM
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Hey Steve, I having lived in the Sooner state for a number of years I have a lot of friends that are OSU fans. One of my daughters went to OSU. I wish them well in all they do. But when Bedlam rolls around, the red shows through. I just don't get it, why some have to slash and bash each other's programs. That's not being a fan...that's just being a dumbass.
Vern, Louisville - Apr 3, 2008 3:07 PM
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By Steve from Tulsa- "Going through (following the rules) is required by (the NCAA). Love the way sleazeballs like (the OU Athletic Department) just ignore the (NCAA rules) when they feel like it. Pathological need to (stay on top no matter what) to like be any power broker wannabe(s). Be careful what you wish for with (the OU Athletic Department), even all (the Gaylords) money can't clean off the slime (they) bring to every endeavor.
Patrick, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 3:05 PM
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Well Said Vern even though I am an OSU fan. Some good Bedlam games with big time implications would be great for the two programs and great for our state...
Steve, Moore - Apr 3, 2008 2:41 PM
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Going through an AD search is required by law. Love the way sleazeballs like Pickens just ignore the law when they feel like it. Pathological need to be sucked up to like he any power broker wannabe. Be careful what you wish for with Pickens, even all his money can't clean off the slime he brings to every endeavor.
Steve, Tulsa - Apr 3, 2008 2:41 PM
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For all of you who haven't guessed, Brent's a moronic troll and not an OU fan. Just a dumb Aggie poser.
Steve, Tulsa - Apr 3, 2008 2:38 PM
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"If he has a fault it's that he's just so straightforward and honest,” said former OSU golfer Doug Tewell.

I guess that all changed Tuesday, as he wasnot close to straight forward or honest---Mutually agreed
rusty, tulsa - Apr 3, 2008 2:24 PM
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What a dilemina;
A staff of want to be's ? Without a HOPE?...........
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 7:23 PM
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no Barry to supporet the staff of the AD gone wrong.
Dean, Edmond - Apr 3, 2008 7:20 PM
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"I didn't attend OU but i knew a guy who did" too! Please.........someone said on another post and its true still....most of the Sooner Nation never attended UO.
Marcus, Irmo - Apr 3, 2008 12:25 PM
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I didn't attend OU but i knew a guy who did and I still buy season tickets every year. We can't afford it but what's a little more debt when we get to watch our sooners build up to an impotent and embarrasing performance in a BCS game.
B, Dallas - Apr 3, 2008 12:04 PM
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Brent- So according to your logic, since we were swept by you guys in basketball, we shouldn't have made a change? Seems like you'd have been better off if we had retained Sutton. Also, do you really want to compare wrestling programs? Didn't think so. You won a dual against a very young team. Lastly, beating us in football is nothing new, you guys have consistently done that for years. So, again, why wouldn't we want to change that. You rip us for losing to OU, and then you rip us for trying to do something about it. This is not the era of Pat Jones when mediocrity will be allowed to happen indefinitely in Stillwater. You either produce, or we are going to try and find someone who will. I know that your smoke break is about over so I'll let you get back to mopping the bathroom. I'll sum it up by saying this: As an alum and long time supporter of OSU, I'm glad to see that we are not content with being a 2nd tier program in our own state. This is not the era of spray painting "rustoleum stadium" and calling it a facility upgrade. Long term, the future of sports in Stillwater looks better than it has in a long, long time. Now, go change out your mop water and get back to work.
James, New Milford - Apr 3, 2008 11:55 AM
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The point of this story which is a very good one, is to describe Holder as the man he is, not being a Pickens friend. Apparently a lot of his critics don't know anything about him.
Mack - Apr 3, 2008 11:42 AM
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brent, you're commenting on this article because what's going on in Stillwater makes you feel secure? Obviously, it's quite the contrary. Your incessant whining through a keyboard regarding an OSU story indicates you're scared to death. Oh, and I forgot to add...IMMATURE.
ROBERT, TULSA - Apr 3, 2008 11:17 AM
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Is it neccessary to run this story? I think we all know that they are friends. Could they beat this story to death anymore?
OSU fan, Tulsa - Apr 3, 2008 10:38 AM
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Anyone who doesn't see or understand the vision of Mike Holder for OSU or understand his relationship with Pickens is being very short-sighted. They are buddies! They were buddies before money ever had anything to do with it! Would you discuss big decisions with your buddy? Yes. End of story.

These guys are going to take OSU to heights never imagined by you short-sighted people.
NN, Tulsa - Apr 3, 2008 10:24 AM
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T. Boone State - lotsa laughs and great facilities. Come & see!
Gary, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 9:52 AM
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Holder is not qualified to be AD and proved this week that he isn't an AD - he is just Boone Pickens' lackey. We are on the fast track to being the athletic program with the nicest facilities and the least credibility in the entire country. The pride in the beauty of all the new facilities is already wearing off and they aren't even all built yet. The shame of the program is almost approaching that of being a univerity with an athletic program built entirely on cheating - but probably not quite that low.
Mark, Bartlesville - Apr 3, 2008 9:44 AM
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A gutsy move, with the right associates he can be successful. It is usually not one man responsible for success or failure, but one is usually blamed. Holder is in the spot. Do it yourself or find someone you are not afraid to say is better suited than you. Not such a bad idea. There are good coaches out there. Nolan Richardson would be great.
Arron, Holdenville - Apr 3, 2008 9:41 AM
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Mike Holder just lost the best coach OSU will ever get. Great job Mike. Now go out and hire some no-name and get two seasons at 500, then we can talk.
Randy, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 9:39 AM
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Wow Greg - you really pegged me - you must have the same problems I do.
B, L - Apr 3, 2008 9:28 AM
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Hi. My name is Brent. I am a loser who has no life and can't satisfy a woman (although I have tried every male enhacement pill and product ever made). Being an OU fan makes me feel like a "winner," especially when I can post messages on a message board without fear of getting beat up like I used to.
Greg, Midwest City - Apr 3, 2008 9:12 AM
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I like how this article comes out when Holder is catching heat. James, you said it was too soon to tell if he is doing a stellar job, well according to the precedent set by Mr. Holder-Pickens, two years is plenty of time.
Matt, a - Apr 3, 2008 8:53 AM
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I think his winning record speaks for itself. He does what he thinks is best for the University and cares immensely for OSU.
John, Tulsa - Apr 3, 2008 8:51 AM
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"The reluctant AD: Holder didn't want job...but he felt sorry for OSU."
Roy, Lewisberry - Apr 3, 2008 8:27 AM
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James - I love what your doing in Stillwater. Lost to us in football, swept in men's BB, lost wrestling, the list keeps going.
B, L - Apr 3, 2008 8:01 AM
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Brent- Time for you to clock in for your morning shhift at Quick Trip. You're right. Pickens made all of that money because he's an idiot. Take a trip up to Stillwater sometime and take a look at what's going on. You Sooner fans can continue to make your snide remarks. The reality of the situation is that the years of our athletic department settling for sub-par performance is over. You can either embrace it, or brace for it.
James, New Milford - Apr 3, 2008 7:48 AM
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Andrea, this article should have been written 3 years ago when he was announced AD. As for calling the shots, the article is very reveling as to the function of the athletic department at OSU. It’s also reveling as to one of the reasons Sean was pushed out of the family. “He doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t use bad language”. Eddie embarrassed him and the school, I agree Eddie did wrong and was punished for it. I think they probably thought the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and didn’t want the same embarrassment in the future. Probably the biggest reason Sean is out and he is faced with his biggest test as AD. IMO.
Marcus, Irmo - Apr 3, 2008 7:45 AM
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Bob- Sounds to me like you had your mind made up on TBP's influence and Holder's performance as an AD before you read the article. I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that TBP has influence within our athletic department. That's what that kind of money will get you. Do you want to give the money back and go back to what we were before the donation? I was a student at OSU during the 0-10-1 season. I remember how pathetic our facilities were. We had no chance what so ever to be competitive on a national scale. I think that TBP's donation gives us that chance. So, sure he desrves some input on the direction of the program. You said that Holders performance as an AD has been less than stellar. I say it's too soon to tell. However, if his two big decisions to date pay off: 1) If he hires a big time coach to replace Sutton, and 2) If our football program continues to improve and revenue for the athletic department continues to go up as a result, would you still question Holder's performance? I say give these decisions time to pan out before you make up your mind.
James, New Milford - Apr 3, 2008 7:42 AM
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So Pickens, as a booster, happens to be a solitary huge influence on the athletic department. Pickens may not always be right, but I'd hate to see where the athletic department would be headed without his money. You guys buying a $50 Posse sticker for your truck ain't gonna get-er-done. Go to any major university and to find where the decisions are really being made, follow the money. It's just that at most schools it's a handfull of powerbrokers instead of being so heavily weighted to just one. Who cares. Either way its rich old white guys ultimately calling the shots. Don't you think Tom Hicks has a huge influence on what happens with the Longhorns? Do you Sooner fans that spend three-quarters of your disposable income on tobacco, beer, and season tickets get a call or email from AD-Joe before he makes a decision. The call and email trail will go straight to the big pocket guys like Gaylord. Life has always worked that way. Those with leverage generally choose to use it. Pickens, like it or not, doesn't try to hide it.
tom, temple - Apr 3, 2008 7:37 AM
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T. Boone State. As a Sooner fan - I love it - let him keep making the calls. Just because he has money - doesn't mean he has sense.
B, L - Apr 3, 2008 7:36 AM
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Yep. They held a gun to his head and said "You're dead if you don't take the AD job.". Big mistake. But the story does confirm all that was thought to be true.... T. Boone called, and probably still does, the shots. I appreciate his contribution and wish I could do the same. But, he should have let Holder remain golf coach. His actions as AD (or are they those of Mr. Pickens?) are less than stellar.
bob, portland - Apr 3, 2008 7:05 AM
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