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Today marks the first day of new Oklahoma laws

BY MICHAEL MCNUTT    Comments Comment on this article32
Published: November 1, 2009
Modified: November 2, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Most elements of a comprehensive lawsuit reform measure, agreed to in the last days of this year's legislative session after more than two years of bickering, are now law.

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It's one of nearly 200 state laws that will take effect today.

Missing from the list is a measure that bans abortions based on the child's sex. An Oklahoma County judge has issued a temporary restraining order that prevents the law, House Bill 1595, from taking effect.

Other measures open up the process of adoption, strengthen the state's Insure Oklahoma plan and allow a Ten Commandments monument to be placed on the state Capitol grounds.

Lawsuit reform

Rep. Dan Sullivan said HB 1603 is a comprehensive lawsuit reform measure that will improve the legal process without impeding court access. It deals with how lawsuits are treated in court cases ranging from personal injury to medical malpractice. The measure is intended to help curb frivolous lawsuits and reduce costs associated with the justice system, among other things, said Sullivan, R-Tulsa. Civil cases involving professional negligence will have to have a certificate of merit, in which an expert will state the case has merit, he said.

Several changes are made to how class-action lawsuits are handled, including a limit on allowing nonresidents to be included in a class-action suit. Also, when a settlement is coupons, the attorney shall receive the fee in coupons.

Another part of the bill won't take effect until 2011. It sets a noneconomic cap of $400,000 for all negligence cases, but the cap may be lifted if a judge or jury determines there's a permanent physical injury, some kind of catastrophic injury or gross negligence or recklessness.

Abortion law

HB 1595 also would require women seeking abortions to disclose information that would be put on a state-run Web site. The information includes previous pregnancies, previous marriages, how the abortion was paid for and the reason for the abortion. Names would not be used.

That part of the bill wasn't to take effect until 2011. Whether and when the rest of the bill, the ban on abortions based on the gender of a fetus, will take effect won't be known until a temporary restraining order's decision is reached.

Adoptions

HB 2174 requires public reporting of adoption expenses so judges and the public can see actual costs attorneys charge.

It also requires that only one prospective adoptive family at a time be billed for a birth mother's expenses and that all adoptions must be conducted in one of four locations — the home county of the birth mother; the home county of the adoptive parents; or in Oklahoma or Tulsa counties.

HB 2174 is intended to stop attorneys from shopping for judges who don't ask too many questions about the fees attorneys charge for adoptions and to prevent attorneys from having families bid against each other to adopt a child, said Rep. Jason Nelson, R-Oklahoma City the author of the measure.

A 2006 multicounty grand jury found some adoptive parents have been forced to pay for vehicles, televisions and other items masked as adoption costs.

Insure Oklahoma

HB 2026 gives the Insure Oklahoma program a boost by helping increase enrollment in the program when people get health care services. It also allows greater flexibility in options for standard health benefit plans and creates a core benefits package for young, healthy Oklahomans to buy cheaper insurance policies.

Ten Commandments

The measure, HB 1303, provides for a Ten Commandments memorial at no cost to the state to be placed on the Capitol grounds.

Proposed sites will be presented next month to the State Capitol Preservation Commission. The author of the bill, Rep. Mike Ritze, has said his family will pay for the design and construction of the 6-foot monolith, as well as maintenance costs.

He estimated the cost of the monument to be roughly $10,000.

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By the way, I don't care for the 10 Commandments to be displayed on any of Satan's government buildings.
We spend way too much on the other religions in schools and other tax paid places
And to Outlaw; Please check out the history of "Blue Laws" which were set up tp have sunday closing instead of the 7th Day Sabbath. And adultery was illegal until recently.It still is grounds for divorce.
Floyd, Oklahoma - Nov 2, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Teddyr, The first 4 Commandments are summed up in the first of 2 commands Jesus said to follow and the next 6 are summed up in the next one. 4+6=10.
As for Jesus and Paul, there is NO difference in the Gospel they both taught. Jesus came for the list sheep of Israel and Paul came for the dogs under the table that want a crumb so to speak.
Without Commandments there was nothing wrong with Cain killing able and God was totally wrong for flooding the earth to destroy wickedness and evil.Also why was the homosex lifestyle that He rained sulphur and brimestone on wrong without commandments.
I have not counted them but was told the 10 Commandments were to be kept some 42 or more places in the New Testament.
One of the most obvious was Matthew 5:17-19. One that slips by many people is Matthew 28:19-20.
Most of Paul's letter to the Gentile converts said to keep the commands.
Every place you find the words sin or wickedness or unrighteousness, simply substitute the words 10 Commandments.
They are FOREVER!!! Hebrews 8:10. Obviously that day has not come yet because vs. 11 then says "They shall not teach every man his neighbor...for all shall know me.
John was even more explicit than Jesus or Paul with 1John2:3-4 then 3:4-12. Hey! How about that? Cain himself is mentioned. Then 3:22-24.
And last, but not least, Rev.12:17,14:12 and 22:14.
These that teach the Commandments were done away with will be called "least" in the kingdom of heaven. Again Matthew 5:19.
Now don't you wish to reconsider what you wrote?
As to the Code of Hammurabi, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Floyd, Oklahoma - Nov 2, 2009 at 2:29 pm
LOL
John, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 1:35 pm
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But Floyd you must ask yourself: who is more of an authority on Christianity; Jesus or Paul?

I'll spare you the lecture on the parallels and symbolism of Jewish laws and Jesus's metaphor of destroying the temple (which was the house and symbol of Jewish law) and rebuilding it in 3 days.
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Floyd-
The generic use of commandments in Genius is just that, generic. The 10 commandments were given to Moses on Mt. Sinai, the 10 in which these are referred to. Plus, the 10 commandments were part of the Code of Hammurabi, and the code also made up most all of Leviticus also known as the Mosaic Laws. The code was Mesopotamian law and Abrama came from UR, the moon worshipers in Mesopotamia.

Jesus, the son of god, gave the 2 Great Commandment on which to hang all the laws. Therefore, Paul's referral's to the commandments were most likely either Christ's commandments, or part/all 613 Mosaic laws (which were actually Mesopotamian law) which included the 10 but regardless were negated by Jesus when have gave the 2 Great Commandments. Therefore, you are in part correct, the 10 commandments are not from Jewish origin.

But please, show me where Jesus, you know the son of god and founder of Christianity, teaches to obey any other commandments except for the 2 great commandments. P.S. You won't find it because JESUS NEVER SAID TO FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDMENTS!!!!!!!
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The very top of the heap when it comes to greed and making money are the churches. Look at them. Huge churches, huge crosses, orchestras for entertainment. Churches that seat 20 thousand people and cost 90 million to renovate. Is this what Christ intended? Is this the Christian way? I don't think so.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 12:01 pm
OUTLAW EDMOND..your statement is well put ..how would I feel about having Ali monument put up ?? bigger point that those who gives their faith to God and the fight that is ongoing and forever changing is
like that of what we expect of the foriegner who come to our country..
If we would have kept it like it was intended we whould not have imagration problems and illigals.
If we would have kept the laws of what we believe ,,it would not be questioned..(monument on capital ground)
but along with everything that makes us great.. God is being ousteded by the once rules that MADE US is now breaking and bringing pain and suffering to everyone.
thanks to poilitians and lawyers greed to make a buck.
It will be removed because of the poiltal spin and the lawyers case.
cindy, okc - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:54 am
BTW, did humans really need a divine law to tell them that stealing and killing was a bad thing? Those are no brainers, even to Okies.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:50 am
I disagree that our founding fathers wrote the law around the bible, otherwise our country would be more screwed up than it already is. In fact they went out of their way to NOT put religion in the law, that's why they're genius. Religion and politics do not mix.

The 10 Commandments are (paraphrased)...
1. No other gods before me -- Not a law.
2. Graven images -- Not a law.
3. Not take lords name in vain -- Not a law.
4. Holy sabbath day -- Not a law.
5. Honor your parents -- Not a law.
6. Shall not murder -- THIS IS A LAW!!!
7. Shall not commit adultery -- Grounds for divorce, but not a law.
8. Shall not steal -- THIS IS A LAW!!!
9. Bear false witness -- Is illegal in certain limited situations
10. Covent your neighbor -- Not a law.

So out of 10 Commandments our legal system makes two, maybe three, of them illegal. So how are the 10 Commandments part of our law again Chris?

Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:49 am
Outlaw, if they wanted to put Islamic laws up, I would be for it. I do not agree, even though I a Christian that only our religion should be publicized. However, our founding fathers wrote our constitution around higher law (the BIBLE) so I dont think its wrong to display Christian beliefs.
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:41 am
Cale, havent you learned to shut your suck hole yet. You have alradey been made to look like a horses a** when you said I was a racist towards black people and I am black. Go back in the closet and play with your imaginary friend. Im sure he doesnt think your an idiot.
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:38 am
I don't know anyone who has a problem with the 10 Commandments Kristi. Even if they are outdated and don't really apply to our U.S. laws, I think you should have the freedom to worship as you please.

The problem is that it is illegal for the government to endorse one religion over another. Placing the 10 Commandments on the capitol grounds is an endorsement of Judeo/Christian beliefs and therefore is illegal. There are plenty of private places (churches anyone?) that are more than acceptable locations for a 10 Commandments monument and no one will complain.

I wonder if you would be as accepting of a monument to to Allah and Islam on the capitol grounds? I think most Oklahoman's would not.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:29 am
You people who have such a problem with the 10 commandments are some strange, strange people. You are sooooooo offended about the idea of having some words engraved on a rock telling you what you should or should not do. What most of you don't realize is that you're already following the ten commandments for the most part so why does it matter? I realize alot of people out here have no common sense but its really not that difficult to understand. So if your already following the ten commandments whether you consider yourself religious or not, does it really matter if there is a monument at the capitol or not??
Kristi, Newalla - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:21 am
Chris-, I don't say this to many people but you are an idiot! Do your side a favor and just shut up. You are exactly who they do NOT need making arguments.
Cale, oklahoma city - Nov 2, 2009 at 11:17 am
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I suppose its just coincidence that the politicians cranking out these new laws are mostly lawyers...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:56 am
Chris, typical Limbeck party boy. Meeting you would be of not importance to me. I know what selfish hicks look like, this state is full of them.
Stay on subject Chris, put the 10 commandments in your yard and sleep by them.
Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:53 am
my bad milkwoman, pounds, not puds
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:36 am
Yes and the Christian religion is what got us here today. If you dont like it, get out of this country, We don want you or milkman here. When you die, tell the devil I said he sucks and enjoy the burn. Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:31 am

Actually what "got us here today" was religious tolerance and the separation of church and state issues. If you don't believe in that then YOU need to get the hell out of my country because you are unAmerican. The government of the United States represents all people and gives them the freedom to worship as they please. The government does not endorse any religion over another, that's why the 10 Commandments monument will not last.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:36 am
Milkman, I would love to meet you in person. I would bet, you would be just as I picture you. Short, skinny (110 puds soaking wet) glasses, virgin (gay sex doesnt count) just a big loser all around.
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:36 am
You two are the type of people ruining this great country. This country ran great. It was amazing, then moron tree huggers like you started whining and complaining. look at statistics. Why is that since tree huggers started jumping out of the woodwork, crime has gone up, divorce, unwed mothers, child molestation. Every bad thing that can happen continues to get worse. WHY? Because you take God out of the mix.
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:34 am
Do you think Jews are placing the 10 Commandments at the Oklahoma Capitol Teddy? I guess I should have clarified and said that the placement of the 10 Commandments on the Oklahoma Capitol grounds is an endorsement of the Judeo/Christian religions, since there are many.

Regardless, it is clearly a violation of church and state and will not be tolerated by the courts. Oklahoma will spend a ton of money it does not have fighting the case and in the end it will prove/provide nothing.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:33 am
Yes and the Christian religion is what got us here today. If you dont like it, get out of this country, We don want you or milkman here. When you die, tell the devil I said he sucks and enjoy the burn.
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:31 am
TeddyR, Genesis 26:5 It is said of Abraham:"...'the father of us all'...that he...kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS..."
Abraham was long before there were any Jews.
Many places Paul told the Gentiles to keep the Commandments.
Floyd, Oklahoma - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:26 am
Outlaw, the 10 Commandments are Jewish laws, not christian. However, like several other similar cases in the past, the Supreme court will rule to have them removed.
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 10:09 am
The state does nothing to protect me Chris and I am not on welfare. The Ten Commandments is nothing but an endorsement of the Christian religion by the state of Oklahoma and that is illegal. It will go to court and it will be removed. The state will waste a bunch of money it doesn't have to defend it's illegal actions. Stupid Okie voters like Chris are the reason why this BS is tolerated.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:54 am
Ten Commandments and kick their butt abortions. Did anyone wonder if the legislature was made up of a bunch of right wing hacks who are trying to punch their ticket to heaven. The reason for the abortion? Are you kidding? It is none of the preacher legislatures business. None one little bit.

Let's spend another million defending the ten commandments on state property so people like Chris can be reminded of what they're suppose to do because they can't remember from day to day.
What a joke.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:45 am
Well Outlaw, thee state wastes alot of money every year protecting trash like you. Why not spend money on protecting something that actually has meaning instead of wasting money on you by giving you welfare.
Chris - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:37 am
I wonder how much money our broke ass state is going to waste on defending the Ten Commandments monument? I put the over/under at 1 million. Stupid Okies.
Outlaw, Edmond - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:14 am
You can look them up on ok.gov L.

Props to Rep. Jason Nelson, pretty good for a freshmen.

Rep. Ritze, go ahead and have them installed in your front yard because that is where they are going to end up anyway.

Rep. Sullivan, please keep us updated on the lower malpractice insurance fees for doctors.
TeddyR, Oklahoma City - Nov 2, 2009 at 9:06 am
John, Absoutley! So what are the other 195 laws taking effect today?

We have so many laws, no one....NO ONE....knows what they all are.
L, Snhawnee - Nov 2, 2009 at 8:39 am
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The legislature should be compelled to repeal a law every time a new one is enacted.
John, Norman - Nov 1, 2009 at 7:36 pm
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