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We're No. 2: Oklahoma, Ohio State have a lot in common
OU Football Sooner fans empathize with Buckeyes’ big-game struggles

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Published: August 16, 2009
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NORMANSam Rampey is relieved to be living in Oklahoma, for at least one reason.


Illustration by Chris Schoelen, The Oklahoman Graphics

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Everywhere else he goes, he hears about it. People ridiculing Ohio State, his Ohio State, for its bowl-game blunders and big-game blowouts.

"Sometimes it’s not even football fans saying things,” said Rampey, a native of Dayton, Ohio, who bleeds scarlet, with a touch of gray. "But I don’t catch any grief in Oklahoma.”

In the Sooner State, folks not only understand Rampey, they empathize.

Oklahoma and Ohio State have much in common: storied college football programs, each boasting seven national titles. Ohio-bred coaches who have resurrected dominance at both schools this decade, bringing home national championships in just their second seasons on the job.

But lately, fans of OU and Ohio State are joined by another, more infamous commonality: being No. 2.

Of the last six BCS National Championships, five have been lost by either OU or Ohio State. And only one of those defeats came by less than double digits.

It goes beyond that.

Ohio State has lost five straight to Top 5 teams. OU hasn’t won a BCS bowl game since 2002. It’s hard to believe with all the promise the two programs held at the beginning of the decade.

Bob StoopsSooners, coming from nowhere to shock high-powered Florida State in the Orange Bowl.

Two years later, Jim Tressel’s Buckeyes, overcoming long odds to topple defending champ Miami in overtime.

"Both national championships were like movie screenplays,” said Shaun McGinnis, a Buckeye grad now residing in Norman.

Since, games on the big screen have become horror flicks, beginning with Kansas State’s 35-7 hammering of OU in the 2003 Big 12 Championship.

"I sat there watching on TV dumbfounded, horrified by what an utter wipeout it was of a team that was on its way to the national title game,” said ESPN commentator Skip Bayless, who grew up in Oklahoma City and remains an avid Sooner fan. "It was one of the all-time embarrassments as a fan to have to sit and watch.

"From that point on, it’s been big-game loss after big-game loss. ”

Same goes for Ohio State.

The Buckeyes waltzed into the 2006 season national championship game against Florida, and appeared destined for another title after Ted Ginn Jr. took the opening kickoff to the house.

Buckeye fans have yet to see a big-game highlight worth remembering since.

"It’s such a big heartbreak,” McGinnis said. "In all honesty, the games were more fun when we were 9-3 and didn’t expect so much all the time.

"The programs are at that level where all you can be is disappointed because the expectation is always to win.”

Sooner fans feel his pain.

Of more than 100 OU fans polled last weekend during Meet The Sooners Day, one-third said they’d rather see OU win the Cotton Bowl this season than lose the national title game again.

"Another loss in the BCS title game would be devastating,” said Jon Parke of Yukon.

Not long ago, it seemed OU was invincible in the big game. Even against Ohio State.

In 1977, Bayless traveled to Columbus to cover the first meeting between OU and Ohio State for the Los Angeles Times. The night before, Bayless had a drink at the team hotel with longtime friend and OU graduate assistant coach Gary Gibbs.

"He looked me right in the eye,” Bayless recalled, "and said, ‘If it comes down to the last second, you can book it, we will win this game because of who we are and what we believe we are. We’re mentally tougher than they are.’ It gave me goosebumps.”

The next day, after missing a 2-point conversion to tie, the Sooners recovered an onside kick down 28-26 to give Uwe von Schamann a shot to win the game with a 41-yard field goal.

"I heard that thump of foot on ball, and it rose and split the uprights,” Bayless said. "My first thought was, ‘Gary Gibbs knew exactly what he was talking about.’”

Over time, that quality Gibbs had described to Bayless became known as "Sooner Magic.”

"When we got in big games, we knew we were going to win,” von Schamann said. "We lost games here and there. But we came back many times. If there was time still left on the clock, we knew we could win. I’m used to seeing that Sooner Magic. Right now, it’s not happening. It’s not there.

"But I’m sure it will come back.”

Fans from both schools have been waiting for anything magical for some time now, to no avail.

And the longer the wait, the more frequent the punch lines.

"Right now, it’s undeniable with Ohio State. They are a national laughingstock,” said Bruce Hooley, who hosts a sports-talk radio show in Columbus with ESPN College GameDay analyst Kirk Herbstreit. "Herby canvases the country; he says he’s never seen Ohio State’s reputation lower than it is now.”

Said Bayless: "OU has developed, to some extent, a negative mystique, ‘We will lay an egg in the big game,’ which is terrible.”

Despite that, few programs have been as successful overall or won as many games recently as OU or Ohio State. Combined, the two schools are 193-42 (.821 winning percentage) this decade. The Buckeyes have won four consecutive Big Ten titles. OU has won six Big 12 championships this decade, including three straight.

"People tend to forget that,” said Evan Ritz, a Sooner fan enrolled at the University of Maryland. "Yeah, they choked, or people say they choke a lot. But they’re one of two teams to make it there. That’s an amazing feat in of itself, that they get there so many times.”

At least Sooner and Buckeye fans can find solace in one another.

Just last weekend, Rick Knapp, president of OU’s Touchdown Club, went to a Colorado Rockies baseball game. Knapp, wearing an OU shirt, parked next to a car with a Buckeye license plate.

Said Knapp, "The first thing the guy said to me was, ‘Do people ask you why you can’t win the big game all the time, too?’ I told him, ‘Yeah, and I get sick of it.’”

That sentiment makes 2009 a critical season for fans from both programs.

In Week 2, the Buckeyes have a home date with No. 4 USC, which beat the Buckeyes 35-3 last year.

"It’s one of the most important games Ohio State has had in a long, long time,” said Jack Park, a radio commentator and Ohio State football historian who has written four books about the Buckeyes. "A win will put Ohio State in the national championship race.

"But a loss will solidify what a lot of people have been saying about the program.”

OU, meanwhile, received a boost days after the national-championship loss to Florida. Heisman winner Sam Bradford and fellow potential first-round NFL Draft picks Jermaine Gresham, Gerald McCoy and Trent Williams announced their intentions to remain at OU.

Now, despite the recent past, fans are holding hope this will be the year.

"Here at OU, and it’s the same at Ohio State, fans expect to win national championships,” said Steve Owens, OU’s Heisman winner of 1969. "When I talk to the fans out there, the fans really love this football team and coaching staff.

"We haven’t given up. We believe this is the year we can win the national championship.”

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A quick look at EPSN since 2002 OU has finsihes 3rd twice, never 2nd and as low as 22nd
James, Haywood - Aug 19, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Has the loser of the BCS title game ever finsihed #2? I thought OU finished 4th or 5th last year?
James, Haywood - Aug 19, 2009 at 10:27 pm
usc replaced 4 starters on the o-line the year they beat the braks off of us! they had mostly freshmen & sophs when they won that last title. OU in 2000 replaced 4 starters too choklahoma, so there's 2 teams I know of right off the top. And havin an experienced o-line helps, but doesn't guarantee success. I think OUr o-line was over-rated last year & we'll be improved this year with trent playin LT. Yall act like OUr line was left depleted. we have an all american (NFL top 15 pick) a talented 5-star player, high school all-americans, a national champion & several upper classmen with playin time still on the team. Also goin against the best d-line in college football can only help them get better. I think we gonna surprise a lot of folks with OUr line & offense. It wOUldn't shock me 1 bit, if OUr offense is better. We physically have better receivers & OUr backs are a year better. Boomer Sooner!
Jiohdee, atlanta - Aug 18, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I can't believe anyone would prefer to win the Cotton Bowl than lose in the NC game. I can assure you the folks who deal with the athletic budgets do not feel this way.
Mike, Corpus Christi - Aug 17, 2009 at 11:36 am
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The stupid logic that Jolly/Edmond shared just shows how ignorant people and even sports analysts. "Don't allow OU in the NC game this year because of past years' losses?" Whoever plays in this year's NC game will be there because of this year's accomplishments. Nothing else should factor in to anybody's equation or decision making. I laugh at the ignorant comments made by some TV sports talking heads on ESPN. It would be interesting if this year's NC game could be OU-Ohio State.....but then one team could break the cycle and one team would continue to be labled as losers (which is dumb because if both teams are there, can they really be regarded as losers?)
Kevin, Marion, IN - Aug 17, 2009 at 10:50 am
Gary your an idiot!
choklahoma, Del City - Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25 am
The proof is in the pudding. The football record at OU speaks for itself. For all of you naysayers, exactly how many teams were you on that finished undefeated? I played many sports for many years and only won em all once. It is not easy to win em all and simple gum flapping is cheap! Go OU, approach every game with confidence, stick to the fundamentals, and put up a W!
scott - Aug 17, 2009 at 10:17 am
theres a reason they call it choklahoma!


lmao

name a national championship team that replaces 4 lineman nope..... no chance. theres one thing oklahoma is good at choking
choklahoma, Del City - Aug 17, 2009 at 9:53 am
keep telling yourself that, gary...

0-5

bummer sooner!
James, , - Aug 17, 2009 at 7:41 am
Over the last decade, and since WWII, OU is THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. OU is NOT #2. Stupid headline and stupid article for anyone who really knows college football.

The 2009 Sooners have the potential to be THE greatest of all of Stoops' teams. I have already placed bets in Vegas that they will win the conference and the national championship.

BOOMER!
Gary, Oklahoma City - Aug 16, 2009 at 10:43 pm
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Josh, you're right. Who cares about Sam Rampey?
Boomer, Washington - Aug 16, 2009 at 7:59 pm
the illustration of the football helmet fits perfectly with the sooners..... its got pot stickers all over the helmet.
greg, stillwater - Aug 16, 2009 at 7:51 pm
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I hope OU isn't allowed in the Championship game again. They're becoming the Ohio St of the final game, and it's time for some real contenders to view for the crown. Looks like a Florida vs. Texas finale...should be a good one.
Jolly, Edmond - Aug 16, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I just hope that OU gets to play someone else other than USC in the National Championship Game in the Rose Bowl! It's harder to play the home team!! Looking forward to a great season is we can just beat Texas!
Janet, Oklahoma City - Aug 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Oklahoma was 6-2 against ranked teams last season and won its third straight Big 12 title. You guys need to get a life.
Ryan - Aug 16, 2009 at 3:38 pm
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I can't wait until the season opener with BYU. I agree that OU needs to re-establish its dominance on the defensive side of the ball; which it hasn't had since Mike Stoops left for Arizona. OU has always had the talent, speed, strenght, etc. to compete with anybody in the country. But they have been lacking in the mental dept. every year when it counts(against Texas at times, and in bowl games). OU must believe that it is the best team on the field every week, execute the game plan, and the wins will be there every week. The other thing that must happen is that when they do make it to the BCS games or national championship games, the coaches must continue to do what got them there; or do what works. Chuck Long made huge blunders in the Sugar Bowl against LSU with his play calling and now Kevin Wilson is doing the same. If the no-huddle, fast tempo has destroyed everyone you played, including the 2 scoring drives against Florida, why in the world do you change the formula? Florida couldn't keep up with OU's TRUE no-huddle either. But leave it to our offensive staff to slow things up to let Florida make adjustments to slow our offense down. Wilson was right, OU left about 35pts off the scoreboard and he can blame himself for that one. So I certainly hope that if OU makes it to the championship game again this year, that some sports reporter like Dean Blevins tells Wilson not to play around with the formula that got them back to the title game. I hear and read a lot of crap too about OU not being able to win in big games. All of those games were winnable, and in all of them, with the exception of the USC game, OU beat themselves.

We have enough strong play on both offense and defense to make it back for a rematch with Florida or who ever else emerges as the team to beat in the Rose Bowl this season. I think it will happen but OU must take care of business first.
Jonathan, Altus AFB - Aug 16, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Question has the 2009 season started yet???? NO first take a look at the NEW paint job on the OU Football Truck!!!! Seven National Titles Six BIG XII Championships. Like CJ posted The only game that the Sooners should/are embarrassed about was that USC title game in Miami.

Last thing take a walk through the Boomer Sooners Barry Switzer Center with ALL THOSE TRPPHIES!!!!!

OU VS BYU...let the 2009 season begin...BOOMER!!!!
Ricky, Norman - Aug 16, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Just shows how overrated both Ohio State and Oklahoma are after each of them won their only national championships this decade they haven't done much in the BCS including the championship games
I HATE OKC, Oklahoma City - Aug 16, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I love how knocking off #1 Mizzou in 2007 to create the OSU/LSU BCS title game was not a "big game" nor were any of the other games that OU has won along the way. Why is the Fiesta Bowl against #10 Boise State a bigger game than the Holiday Bowl against #5 Oregon? Stupid logic for exhibition games.

The only game that the Sooners should be embarrassed about is the USC title game in Miami.
cj, Norman - Aug 16, 2009 at 11:56 am
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Josh, probably because there really isn't anything to say yet. Season hasn't started.
bob, anadarko - Aug 16, 2009 at 11:36 am
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DEFENSE! DEFENSE! DEFENSE! Also, gotta win those goal-line battles. BOOMER!!!
Ken, Boise - Aug 16, 2009 at 10:06 am
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I don't know which is worse, the reminder of the losses or the reminder that Skip Bayless is a fellow Sooner fan!
Blake, Memphis - Aug 16, 2009 at 9:26 am
The good thing about being a second tier team is that it's not news when you lose. If it's big news when you lose occasionally, life is not that bad.
edwin, Tulsa - Aug 16, 2009 at 7:27 am
The Sooners have loss BCS bowl games......so what. The Sooners were there, the OU fans are the greatest because they are knowledgeable fans and understand there are ups and downs. I know the Sooners will have another good year, maybe a great year.....but in the end the Sooners will be competitive. It is the sports writers that have ruin all the games which has come down to the why Youth Sports keeps getting worse and worse. Why do you think the X-games are so popular, because there is less focus on the athletes. Sports writers need to back off so that the kids can be athletes and not become jaded. That goes for the parents too. Maybe a little less focus on sports and focus on family life, employment, and healthcare and the American "way of life" would be much better.
Todd, Bentonville - Aug 16, 2009 at 6:47 am
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I have a question, and this is not dogging OU, so don't jump all over me Sooner fans, but how come quite a few of the articles about OU on here are just puff pieces?
josh, yukon - Aug 16, 2009 at 1:46 am
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Last year we heard a lot about OU was focused and on a mission, the amazing unstoppable offense, and all of that. This year, so far, preseason talk about the defense, Bradford, the rankings don't show us enough respect, or fans or sportswriters who see a few potential loses are somehow potential communists or Mormons, and so on. People acting aggrieved when someone is a little skeptical ... let's just take the fact in the article above, "five straight losses to top five teams, haven't won a BCS bowl since 2002." Let's cut the smack talking and everything about Big XII Championships. The Saturday games are tasks to accomplish, but unless they finish, I'll be looking forward to basketball season. Nothing else matters until those two facts are erased. Personally, I want to see dominant defense every single game, almost every single play. I'm old enough to have seen it before. Just take care of business. That's what the money and glory is supposed to pay for. Please leave the skeptical, or critical fans alone. This year is on Stoops and nobody but Stoops. He's been living the glory and getting paid since 2001. It's on him to earn it. If he does, he'll know it again. If not, let's be honest. He's a fine coach, not a great one. Anybody see "Rudy" the other night? Show it to the starting secondary and offensive and defensive lines. I heard of a man who led the Sooners to a victory against a pretty good TCU team on the road a few years ago. He was more than all that. He might have been the best quarterback on the team back then, but he was a little short, didn't get to play that much. But when he did, he won. He brought just as much to every play, every down, during the national championship year and he has a ring. A lot of overpaid, self-righteous, personally defensive coaches, not defensive as in the football term, "defense," could use a dose of that. So could a lot of ego maniac NFL never-to-be "talent" who know the side-payments game. Let's just play football and talk later. If I see that soft crease defense this year, I'm just going to find a good book and tune it out. I've had it with that.
Stuart, Brooklyn - Aug 16, 2009 at 12:59 am

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