Will ruling affect Oklahoma state gaming?
Will ruling affect Oklahoma gaming?

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By Tony Thornton
Published: August 12, 2008

What does a tiny Alaskan fishing tribe have to do with Oklahoma's $2 billion-a-year Indian gaming industry? Everything, cry critics of the Alaskan tribe's effort to place a few dozen one-touch gambling devices in its remote locale.

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Recent actions by the Metlakatla Indian Community and its effect on Oklahoma were a main topic Monday at the 14th annual Oklahoma Indian Gaming Association convention and trade show.

Joe Webster, an attorney for the Alaska tribe, said that tribe's efforts are part of a legal strategy to protect other tribes' lucrative Class II ventures. Webster was outnumbered by those attending an unpublicized panel discussion on the issue.

"Make no mistake, the outcome of the Metlakatla appeal is very dangerous for the future of Indian gaming in Oklahoma,” said Dean Luthey, a Tulsa attorney.

The concern, Luthey and others fear, is that thousands of games currently played in Oklahoma casinos could become illegal because of the Alaska tribe's actions. If that happens, tribes would have to replace those games either with slow, outdated models or with Class III machines, which require payments to the state.

What's the issue?
At issue is the tribe's recent effort to place a five-line amendment in its gaming ordinance. The requested change would have legitimized one-touch machines as Class II machines.

The National Indian Gaming Commission, which regulates the industry, has been seeking for years to create a clear distinction between Class II and Class III gaming. Tribes can offer Class II without a state compact. Under Class III, tribes typically must pay states a share of their profits.

In June, the commission's chairman, Phil Hogen, denied the Alaska tribe's request on the same day he announced in Oklahoma City that he was shelving proposed restrictions on Class II games. Critics, including Oklahoma congressmen Tom Cole and Dan Boren, claim the proposed rules would devastate the industry and threaten tribes' sovereignty.

Boren, D-Muskogee, who gave the convention's opening address Monday, said he's concerned Hogen may have pulled "an end-around” by denying the Alaska tribe's request. That action sets up a probable appeal in the 9th U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco, legal experts say.

In an interview, Boren said it appears federal regulators "may be using the judicial process,” rather than government-to-government negotiations, to create the Class II restrictions.

Hogen said he is aware of the growing belief among the industry "that this is some kind of a conspiracy deal.”

"In terms of us trying to be secretive, I'm offended by those kinds of statements,” Hogen said.

He admitted that if the courts uphold his ruling concerning the Alaskan tribes' one-touch games, his agency might seek to enforce that ruling in other states. One potential target: Oklahoma, which by some estimates has more than half of the Class II machines in America's tribal casinos. Many of those are one-touch games.

Motives questioned
David Qualls, the association's chairman, calls the Metlakatla Indian Community's actions a risk to the future of Class II gaming.

Class II devices comprise more than half of Oklahoma's estimated 50,000 electronic gambling machines.

He said the tribe's legal fight is being funded by two game vendors with ulterior motives: one wants to force tribes into using its Class III games; the other has developed a two-touch game patent with hopes of taking over much of the current Class II market, Qualls said.

Webster said it's in the interest of Oklahoma tribes to let the court case be settled on the West Coast, because "the Metlakatla decision does not and cannot control Class II gaming in Oklahoma.”


 


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To all the people who whine about casinos taking their money...I have one simple comment...don't go to a casino and they will not take your money - pretty simple concept. I for one enjoy going to the casino and understand that when I walk in the doors that the odds are aginst me bringing any extra money out. With that being said, I have won many times. Just last month, I won over $69,000.00 on a progressive machine out at New Castle. Not a bad payday! So for you whiners - keep your bitching and moaning to yourself.
Michael, Oklahoma City - Aug 12, 2008 at 9:46 pm
NATIVE 17.5% LESS ALCOHOLIC THAN U.S POPULATION. MEXICAN ARE NATIVE AMERICAN AND HAVE BEEN HERE LONG BEFORE WHITES. mEXICAN WORK VERY HARD. THE MAJORITY OF WELLFARE RECIPIENTS ARE WHITE. AND WHITE PEOPLE BROUGHT THE BLACKS HERE TO EXPLOIT AND USE THEM TO GET RICH. sean PLEASE QUIT BITCHING AND FINDING EXCUSES FOR YOUR FAILURES AND SHORT COMMINGS.
nocona, santa fe - Aug 12, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Had to say something about those pesky "money germs". I guess those people stuffing their mouths with five dollar bills in the Subway commercials are actually committing suicide? :)
John, Maud - Aug 12, 2008 at 6:25 pm
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sean I'd like meet someone like you face to face and see if you would say it in person. Anyway, tribe attract tourism to this state. Title 9 money also goes to the state. You get a fair share of the $$$ from tribes. Tribe also assist in local communities (like buying fire trucks the state cannot buy). BILLIONS. many non natives are employed. Tribes collectively are the #2 employer of OKIEs next to the state itself. Tuorist money, casino, leased farmland, grazing so on and so forth.The tribes are making and impact and investment to be a player in politics that benifut tribes and white folk hate it. Racism prevails with people like sean & grant. If thats all your know, then you are part of the problem and not the solution. Natives are 17.5% less alcohol than the US population. so, sean bring it on.
nocona, santa fe - Aug 12, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Class II machines should be phased out. As it is right now, most class II machines look and play just like Class III games. If the tribes cannot afford to chip in 4-6 percent in profits to the state to support education, then they should not be operating in Oklahoma. I remember when there was not a casino within 10 miles of every home in Oklahoma (stretching the truth a bit there, but you get my drift.) But now that the cat is out of the bag, I see no reason why the State should not get a small cut of the profits. Tribal members go to public schools, too.
John, Maud - Aug 12, 2008 at 5:43 pm
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Burt, if I didn't think you were trying to be serious, I'd have had a belly laugh. "Money germs" indeed. I guess it somehow doesn't affect bank tellers because it's not tied to *gasp* sinful gambling. I suppose you'd be happier if you could ban smoking in the casinos, even the ones you never frequent. Your lungs look the same as every other busybody that breathes the air you contaminated when you drove to Firelake to dine and find fault, even though no one held a gun on you and forced you to go. All of you babies need to grow up and stop whining about the things you haven't been able to control... yet. I'm sure you're not through, however and will never quit trying to control the behavior of others while ignoring your own.
Phil, Yukon - Aug 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm
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The only place we can is at the Oklahoma racetracks, there machines are the most loose of any casinos we have in the state.
Josh, shawnee - Aug 12, 2008 at 2:06 pm
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They can do whatever they like and it wont bother me a bit. Most of the casinos in Oklahoma are nothing but extensions of smoke shops. I mean that if you don't smoke, don't go there. I had a business associate that wanted to wine and dine a client at Fire Lake. When I got home that night, I threw away my clothes fearing that I would never get the cigar and cigarette smoke out. I can only imagine what my lungs looked like. I asked the cashier how she handles all the smoke. She said it took her weeks to get used to it and all the money dust and germs. She was sick the whole first week. She said all casino cashiers get the same flu the first week they work. Then they can handle money germs after that. A few cashiers wind up quiting though.
burt, edmond - Aug 12, 2008 at 1:34 pm
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Indians: Longevity. Pride. Optimism. Perseverance. Warriors. Peacemakers. Pioneers. Innovators. Ancient conservationists. That was then. Now? Native Americans: Casino bosses. What a legacy. It's too bad the casinos are just about all Indians are known for now.
Grant, Edmond - Aug 12, 2008 at 12:03 pm
What about more taxes and regulation on bars for all theproblem they cause. And All you can eat buffet that all you fat okies enjoy. They cause alot of problem with health care. Treat them just like you want to treat casinos (gaming centers). If you don't like it don't go, or if you do go then don't complain.
nocona, santa fe - Aug 12, 2008 at 11:28 am
2 BILLION into Oklahomas system. That trickles down to alot of white communities. Half of the $$ your stupid. How about you give us Oklahoma back and you can have the casinos. Casinos brink job that the cities or states can't and it employs all peoples.
nocona, santa fe - Aug 12, 2008 at 11:25 am
I haven't lost as much as a lot of folks have David. My sum total experience at one of the Chickasaw's centers (I don't call them casino's because they are not casino's) was losing 40 bucks in about 15 minutes at one of their awesome money depost machines. You put money in and jack crap comes out. You might as well walk in, drop your cash off at the front desk, and be on your way because the outcome will be the same and you can save some time. The indians aren't earning anything, I say tax the crap out of them and spend the money "ON THE CHILDREN!!". Does that make you feel better D?
Outlaw, Edmond - Aug 12, 2008 at 10:26 am
Wow, outlaw looks like you have lost a few of your white dollars.

Anyway, the tribes that I have dealt with, contribute a large amount of the money that they make to the local communities to assist law enforcement and others with issues that the gaming centers cause.

Do you really believe the Oklahoma legislature would put the money into the communities affected by the casino's or do you think they would put the money into the communities that the casino's have a social effect on?
David, Choctaw - Aug 12, 2008 at 9:30 am
The state should get half of all the money generated out of these places we optimistically call 'casino's' just so they can fit the bill for all the social problems they cause. The difference between an indian gaming center and a casion is that you can actually win sometimes at a real casino, the indians just take your money so a few of their top legislators can become rich on the white mans money.
Outlaw, Edmond - Aug 12, 2008 at 9:21 am

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