For some Cherokees, group offers way home
"You know that old saying, you can never go home again. If I went back home again, I'd be like a stranger and I'd be treated like a white man.” Lee Burgess, a Cherokee expatriateFor some Cherokees, group offers way home

By Devona Walker
Published: July 5, 2008

Lee Burgess, a Cherokee, was nicknamed "Whitey” as a child because of his fair skin.
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At 19, he returned home from fighting in World War II and made a conscientious decision to live as a white man. He traveled the United States, doing construction work. He spent 35 years with a local tire company. He bought a home. He survived prostate cancer. He never married. He does not know other Cherokees.

"It was really my momma who said it. She said, ‘It's a white man's world. You're going to have to make a living now, so you're going to have to get out there in it,'” Burgess said. "White people had all the good jobs and all the privileges. And that's what I wanted and that's what I wanted to be. And that's what I became.”

From time to time, he has made the drive back up U.S. 62, taking his foot off the accelerator as he passes the sign that says he is now entering the Cherokee Nation, just east of Muskogee.

It was there that he fell in love with fishing and became acquainted with the tall rocks at Lake Tenkiller. He recalls the day he got his draft papers at age 17, and the next day, when his father went down to the draft board "raising hell.”

He returned home to Muskogee from war to find his mother in front of the same TV program she was watching the day he left. He remembers the quarrel he and his brother had so long ago, one that still troubles him some 10 years after his brother's death.

Still a Cherokee, but living outside the tribal nation
For Burgess, who is 80 and lives in Oklahoma City, the words "Cherokee Nation” mean both tribe and family. He has lived his life as an expatriate, outside its jurisdiction, but he votes absentee in every election. It is still his home.

"You know that old saying, you can never go home again. If I went back home again, I'd be like a stranger and I'd be treated like a white man,” Burgess said.

About six in 10 Cherokee tribal members live outside the Cherokee Nation jurisdictional area. The area encompasses all or part of 14 counties in northeast Oklahoma, inside which the Cherokee Nation is a sovereign tribal government.

At a recent meeting in Oklahoma City, tribal leaders offered an olive branch to expatriates living outside the area — the beginning of a Cherokee group in Oklahoma City and the promise of an Indian hospital in the city and college scholarships for Cherokee children who live outside the nation.

In return, the tribe hopes to bolster its voting bloc, becoming a more persuasive voice in state and perhaps national politics.

"Reconnecting expatriate communities is a fundamental part of building community. We bind ourselves together as a community, and not just in the Cherokee Nation proper,” Cherokee Principal Chief Chad Smith said. "What we encourage is that expatriate community members reconnect with their tribe, and their family. For us to survive as a people, we have to have a sound community foundation. It helps the nation, and it helps the people.”

Smith said Cherokees have survived numerous U.S. policies that have not respected American Indian sovereignty. At times, the U.S. has been supportive, Smith said, and at other times the federal government has sought to destroy the Cherokee Nation. And there have been other times, such as now, he said, when the government has left the tribe alone to thrive and survive.

Tribal unity, he emphasized, is important because times are bound to change.

A few months ago, Smith was invited to speak as part of the eighth annual Cherokee National Legislative Day at the state Capitol. But he was later denied the opportunity to speak during a committee hearing on the English-only bill. Mike Miller, Cherokee Nation spokesman, said the incident was symptomatic of the tenuous relationship between the nation and the country in which it lives. It illustrates the importance of uniting all Cherokees, he said.

J.R. Cook., another member of the tribe, works with youths. He, too, lives in Oklahoma City. Just as Burgess made a decision to live as a white man, Cook made a decision to re-acquaint himself with his tribal heritage.

"We're all pretty much in that same boat. Identity and figuring out ways of dealing with that,” Cook said. "It wasn't until right after college that I started to learn about my culture.”

Cook and Burgess were among more than 200 Cherokee expatriates called to an organizational meeting three weeks ago by the tribal government. Cook pointed to people in the room, some fair with blond hair, others dark-skinned.

"The majority of all Cherokees are going to be of mixed blood; we will be of all shades. So identity issues are always there,” Cook said.

For people like Burgess, reconnecting with the tribe could perhaps mean something more. He lives alone in a three-bedroom, two-bath ranch-style home on a cul de sac off N Council Road. His neighbor checks on him from time to time. He doesn't drive much anymore. And he doubts he will make it back to the Cherokee Nation's base area.

Sitting in his living room, Lee Burgess showed off a black-and-white photograph of a cousin who worked in the movies in the 1940s, a snake dancer named Buck Burgess.

"I'm awful proud of that Indian blood. I'm awful proud of their history,” he said. "They had it rough. The government drove them all across these United States. (Many) of them died along the way. But they kept in there.”

For him, this group might be the closest he ever comes to going home again.

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PS: Roy!
You signed your post "Cherokee Citizen of the Cherokee Nation" I can-not accept that as truth, though many Cherokee think the same thing, if there are ANY Cherokee Nation Citizens left alive they have to have been born no later than Dec. 1906, that was when Congress of the U.S. Close the Cherokee Nation Rolls forever. There were a few exceptions allowed to entoll by the fact of the 1902 Act of Congress and the Court up to 1914, any of those alive would be in their 90's.

We are only descendants of the Cherokee Citizens listed on the Dawes Rolls, by fact of the 1975, and the 1999 revised Constitution of CNOT. If you will look at your blue card, if you have the old on Pre-Chad Smith, it says Right on the face of the Card under you signature Tribal Member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma...Smith has illegally tried to change that when he begain issuing new cards in 2001 I believe it was, even though the 99 Constitution had not been ratified by the People, and wasn't until 2007, so if you have a new card, and it has Cherokee Nation without "of Oklahoma" then it is a lie, and if you will notice under you signature it says the same thing you are a tribal member of CNOT..................
John "The Eder" Cornsilk
John, Thalequah - Jul 13, 2008 12:14 PM
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First let me say we Cherokee that know what it is have coined a name for (CNO), Cherokee Nation of Oklahoman, by adding TRAITORS to the name, for the acronym (CNOT) for the traitorous acts of smith and cohorts against a class of Cherokee members, the Freedmen, and the supporters of this corruptions can only be classed as suckers Thus MY coining of the name for them CNOT-suckers!…


Well Roy, I too am offended by the story, NOT by the fact of the People finding their Cherokee Roots and wanting to belong, I am offended by the spending of Cherokee Assets by Smith and cohorts to put on this gala, it is the same thing Smith and cohorts did just a couple of months back out in California, spent 80,000 dollars on 3 picnic's for the supposed Cherokee out there which was identical to this one nothing more than registration ploy of voters to help maintain there terms in office, these folks are so eager to belong they readily accept the BS as a desire of their Cherokeeness in the Nation.
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Here is a simple test to learn what this is about, simply ask Smith “which Constitution is the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma operating under” and if he says the 99/2003, Then ask the simple question is this your third term as Chief, how and why. You will learn right quick your Cherokeeness will no longer be desired in CNOT to be a sucker.
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As for Glenda and her disgust with CNOT for not helping with the education of her Children, the first question: is her Cherokee connection documented and is she a member of CNOT, If yes, next question: does she live within the jurisdictional boundaries of CNOT, if yes, then the next question is income, CNOT uses the federal poverty guidelines for eligibility. The Simple fact is folks if you are a Cherokee NOT living within the boundaries, you are eligible for absolutely nothing, legally, but then when has Smith cared about legality, he will promise you the possibility of a piece of the moon for your registering and a promise to vote for the incumbents… If the answer was no to documented/membership in CNOT, She is just one of the million wannabees, and all else is moot.
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And then Folks for what all this wasted money to BS the expatriated Cherokee that’s close to 100,000 bucks that could have went to is service to the needy Cherokee, after all that is the main reason CNOT exists!
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And yes, as A of Watuga Texas said to see what poverty in CNOT-land is all about simply click this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCbeq9UIxq0&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1 and then once you view this video, and for the answer as to why? Click this link: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vrGx3-X_QOk&feature=related
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If these links happen to not work to see the videos all you have to is GOOGLE these words: “Sorrow and Poverty In the Cherokee Nation”
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John “The Elder” Cornsilk
Cherokee CNOT Member
Purveyor of Simple Truth!
John, Thalequah - Jul 13, 2008 8:39 AM
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I'm always a "little" offended when I hear these stories. On-one-hand I want to welcome anyone and everyone who feels a connection to the Cherokee ancestry and their family "back home" (meaning in the Cherokee Nation proper); but, then there's that part of me that "feels" offended. It's a fact that we must not only live with the decisions we have made, but we also have to live with the decisons some of our ancestors made. One decision seems to have been whether to retain one's Indian-ness. To become "white" and "live white," seems to have been a decison some have made or their ancestor's made for them. Here's where I'm offended: My ancestor's STAYED. Sure it was hard, No they didn't get rich or gain worldly possessions, sure they even suffered poverty and did their children, and I. But, the fact is they made the opposite choice of those who, in my opinion, "Walked away." Was it hard to walk away? I'm sure it was, for some, but other's, with the promise of jobs or careers or whatever, not so hard. My grandmother said once that there was NOTHING that could make her leave her people and her Nation. She emphasised "Nothing." Just like no one or any government could destroy her people by removing them from their homes and marching them across mountains and rivers and ice and more, there was no way she would leave her people. Leaving meant abandonment of family, and the larger family of community. And, she wouldn't do it, and I never would either.
So, when I hear the sad stories of how there is nothing here for our children, that life is hard here, that someone didn't get a sholarship for themselves or their children - my first thought is what did they do for their country? They now want something from my Nation, but what have they given, what sacrafices have they made? Like the poverty sticken life my grandmother lived; although, she 'never' would have tought of it that way. They think they should be welcomed with open arms, given governmental benefits because of what, they ask?
I hope the OKC organization becomes a supportive community organization with a commonality of being Cherokee citizens. I "think" they have "NO rights" as citizens. I "believe" that once you or your ancestor chose to leave, and never returned, you are no longer a part of the citizenry of the C.N. proper and have NO fundamental (different than what the governmental ideas are) to effect by vote or oppinion what happens within the C.N. proper. It is here at home where the problems are, the effects of government are the strongest or weakest, and will have little to no effect on those outside the CN proper. Therefore, I think those who are expatriots are still expatriots and should be. (I prefer the constitutional opionion of the 1839 constitution where leaving the Nation mean't loss of citizenship). Just my opinion as a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, Tahlequah, OK).
roy, tahlequah - Jul 6, 2008 2:04 PM
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I should've said "glenda, oklahoma city." The other Glenda (Albuquerque) raises a good point, but it is a nitpicking triviality typical of ..... well, never mind. I suspect Mr. Burgess's mother was listening to the radio -- Pepper Young and other such soap opera radio shows -- when the began, but within a few years after the war ended she was watching Love of Life, Search for Tomorrow, and so forth on TV ..... the same kind of stupid things. My grandmother, a native woman, did the same thing -- hid in her house because she felt she was looked down on, but didn't do much to preserve the old ways. By the way, Glenda in Albuquerque, in Oklahoma women who speak up about tribal council mismanagement, corruption and so forth are often deprived (oh, dear, we accidentally forgot to put you on the list) of the right to vote, medical care, housing services and so forth. Are the reservations that way in New Mexico. But the point is, many of the best Indian women are driven from the tribe in the city, where they can .... do what? With no skills, they can listen to radio or watch television. A few, however, act like their great-grandmothers, and put things in proper orderl.
earl, oklahoma city - Jul 5, 2008 3:37 PM
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I agree with everything Glenda has to say -- it applies to my life as well as hers -- with one exception, "the CDIB card ..... is all that matters." Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't -- e.g., you can't enroll as a Sac and Fox tribal member without a card that says 1/4 or more ..... but you can have a card that says 1/2 and if you are in a small, poor tribe that card and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee, and that's all. American Indian people have a distinctive outlook, a very valuable perspective about life and what's important, but sometimes it gets covered with up with too much Leonard Skynard, or too much CDIB snottiness. Congratulations on your children's success, Glenda. It's their hearts that matter not their faces ..... and their Native ancestors would cheer them, not put them down because their blood was mixed.
earl, oklahoma city - Jul 5, 2008 3:09 PM
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My question is how many TELEVISIONS were in Muskogee before or during WWII? Perhaps his mother was in front of the radio, but this is too big a blunder to take the story at face value -- no pun intended.
Glenda, Albuquerque - Jul 5, 2008 11:55 AM
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A. And what is your point? Does it matter if he looks like a cherokee or not. If he has cherokee blood what difference does it make. I have three children and two of them really don't even look like they have any Indian Blood in them and the youngest one looks Indian and they all have the same father. They have were born with blonde hair and it is still somewhat blonde. So it doesnt matter if you look it or not. If you know you have some blood and have the CDIB card to prove it that is all that matters. I agree with this gentleman. It has always been a white man's world. I don't have a problem with it at all my dad was a white man and wonderful dad at that. Doesn't matter what nationality you are what matters is if you work for a living and take care of your family. That is all that should matter in this world. Who cares if your 1/4 Cherokee or if your 9/128th Cherokee. I was raised as a Proud White citizen just as my father was. I am also Cherokee on my mothers side but you know what the Cherokee's never did anything for me or my children. They even turned them down for scholarships and they were all valadictorians of their classes. But did the Cherokee's care NO and that really made me mad. Because it showed me they could care less about the future of my children. But that was ok because they got scholarships and one graduated from OSU and he was also in the AIR Force Academy! They other two are in college studying to become doctors, my daughter will graduate in December from OU Medical at the age of 23! The youngest is in his third yr of college. But they did it without the help of the Cherokee's which I think should have helped them achieve their goal. Guess they weren't enough Indian! So We also live as White people with Cherokee Indian Blood. Shouldn't matter where you live in the state of Oklahoma! They want you to live in Cherokee Nation territory to get any kind of benefits. What kind of future is there down that way for my children. Give me one reason?
glenda, oklahoma city - Jul 5, 2008 10:50 AM
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He sur looks more Cherokee than many on the Council or the Two Wife Chief.
Old Chad was never raised in the Cherokee Nation and does not speak Cherokee.
Brad Carson sure does not Look Cherokee either like many who run the CNO Inc founded in 1975 by Ross Swimmer.
I was born in Park Hill and raised with the Proud Cherokee.
You Tube has the real story of Chad two wife Smith just search for cherokeerightsvideo .
A, watauga - Jul 5, 2008 6:44 AM
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