No CeLeste, in case you've forgotten, no one on any of those planes lived to tell about it. But there were cockpit recordings and other recordings and there was mass celebrating by Muslims in many countries. And I have investigated numerous activities by Muslims here in Oklahoma. So you go ahead and make fun and add your little plots to the others; but remember dear. The people in Oklahoma aren't as stupid as you'd like to believe we are.

t.a. were you on the planes(any of them) to be honest you petty attempt to make every thing about the war on christianity is boring, honestly i am done with the words, i have better thing to do. i have already spent my day making fun of this madness with my friends, and when i need something to do i will give you another "weak argument" because you are all knowing and your opinion of all matters is the only valid one, have a nice day i have 1400 + years of of plotting to catch up on.

This lawsuit is nothing more than another case of "fight them wherever you see them". And when the so-called moderat Muslims in this country believe they've been "oppressed" enough they will have what they consider justification for violent attacks. It's the way it's worked for 1400+ years. Get use to it folks.

CeLeste, wrong again dear. God does indeed call Christians to recognize whether or not someone is a fellow Chrisitan. Where is your proof that any of these men acted in the name of Christianity? None of the men you mentioned yelled "In the name of Jesus Christ" or any such thing before they killed someone. Why is it that to you and your mother anyone in the U.S. that isn't a Muslim is considered a Christian? She tried to pull the same nonsense about strippers yesterday. But the men you were talking about committed those acts due to some illness or some other agenda they had. So your attempt to blame Christianity for their actions is feeble and shows just how weak an argument you have for this nonsense. On the other hand, the men on all four of those planes on September 11, 2001 made it clear that they were committing those acts in the name of Allah because they were devoted Muslims, so there is no escaping Islam's responsibility for their actions or the actions of countless other mujahideen. In this country, you can dress pretty much any way you want. That's called "freedom". But the hijab is NOT mandatory in Islam and until 9/11 no Muslim women demanded the so-called right to wear such garb. They didn't demand it in the work place or even wear them in public until recently. And the ONLY reason it's becoming more popular is so Muslim women can shove their religion in the faces of American businessmen and file these frivilous lawsuits and publicly proclaim yourselves more righteous than non-Muslim women. I hope the "little girl" in thise case has finally met her match and the courts tell her to go pound salt. We don't need anymore Muslims winning high dollar law suits so they can send money overseas to support the army of Islam in its wars against all free people.

tom what i meant inclded my mother, and not every one in the world jst anyone that got off topic which i ended p doing, also any one that wold be willing to stand for injustice simply because she did not believe like they did. i stood behind the christion girl that wanted to pray at school, the jewish team in Colorado that refused to play basket ball on their holy day. any acts of intolerance, especially in Oklahoma where people already think we are backwards are appalling.

Denver/t.a. why is when a christian commits a crime he is simply a bad person and it has nothing to do with the religan, but when a person claiming to be Muslim commits a crime they do it because of religion. the united states may be the majority christian, but that does not mean they can tell the rest of the population how to dress. you all seem to be misguided in the idea of a muslim woman, and unless you are one or were raised one then you should not pretend you know. i am a muslim woman i know all of my rights and it annoys me when people go off of some silly little man in a towel. if a nun can be see as devote then so should the women in islam. instead of trying to make it a religious debate why can you not accept the fact that just as you have the right to dress as you please, just as you have the right to worship as you please, so do Muslims, jews, budists...
if i wanted to be christian then i would be, but i dont. so claim it is propaganda if you like but i will continue to exercise my right as a American and as a Muslim of free speech.also t. a. the only entity that knows a persons true religion is that person and god, so if dennis rader(the btk killer) claimed it it is not your duty to say he wasn't, same for mcveigh and any one else claiming any religion. on the topic of my mother, her religion, race, and anything else about her is not debatable because she doesn't matter in the topic, she has nothing to prove to you. i wish yo the best of lck and i hope the little girl gets all the money she can, because any discrimination is wrong.

CeLeste, Oklahoma City - Aug 1, 2008 12:39 Pm post: “You all”? That means every human on the planet except you. Is this what you meant to say? The story is about a religious discrimination complaint and put the emphasis on “a”.

CeLeste, you couldn't be more wrong about more things. First off, neither Tim McVeigh nor Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber) claimed to be Christians. McVeigh was raised in a Christian home but made it very clear that he was not a Christian. Dennis Rader (BTK killer) was a member of a Lutheran Church but going to church doesn't make him a Christian and not one of these three men murdered in the name of any G/god nor did they even come close to killing as many people combined as were murdered on September 11, 2001 in the name of Allah.

Muslims are not being "oppressed" in this country no matter how much they claim it. According to the National Crime Center Jews are still the most oppressed religious group in this country. Muslims have the same rights and freedoms anyone else has. Just because we refuse to give them special treatment and submit to their every whim doesn't mean they're being oppressed. If anyone should be ashamed it's those who are demanding those special treatments. As for your mother being who you claim she is, that's debatable.

You can save your name calling though because you don’t have any idea what race I am. If anyone has proven they are a racist bigot, I’m afraid it’s your mother. Based on what she’s said she obviously became a Muslim because she believes Islam will help her achieve her goal of bringing the white man into submission. That’s a terrible chip she’s got on her shoulder and I’m sorry to inform the two of you, but Islam isn’t going to fix it.

But one of the many mistakes she made in her claims is that she claims she "converted" to Islam. No Muslim claims to be a convert, because Muslims believe that all people are born Muslim and if not raised Muslim "revert" back to it, they don’t “convert”. So my suggestion to you CeLeste is to take a few more classes. Perhaps somewhere where they don't teach Islam propaganda 101.

Damn muzlimz out to wreck this country any way they can.

CeLeste, our country was founded on freedom of religion, not freedom to dress any way we see fit and then sue someone who doesn't like it. No one is stopping this woman from practicing Islam. You are correct in that, if the girl were Christian, there would be those protesting it. But 1) This is a primarily Christian country and pure numbers would dictate that this reaction could happen. 2) If this same girl were Christian and the company wanted her to remove her cross, then the free market should protest the action by not buying anything there. I propose that Muslims simply not shop at A & F. If this girl wanted to dress like a Quaker in a head scarf and 1850s dress, A & F wouldn't let her do that, either. If it were a man of any color and he wanted to wear a purple leotard and flowers on his knees, A & F wouldn't let him do that, either. These actions would have nothing to do with religion or her (wherever that point came from) but the clothing, pure and simple. A & F is trying to portray an image that will encourage the 12-25's to buy their clothes there. I find it ironic for any woman to defend Islam considering women are seen in that religion as no better than livestock used for slavery and breeding purposes. Women can't vote, can't drive a car, can't walk alone, can't do most things a man can do unless a man is present or unless she does it with other women. Islam is the ultimate in closed-mindedness, the ultimate in sexual oppression and the ultimate in the elimination of personal and religious freedom....yet one of the first to complain when others impenge on their religion.

CeLeste - you should study the world of Islam at UCO. It might make all the narrow minds here seem tolerant.

t.a. if you had half the education you want the world to believe you do then you would know right now you look like the biggest racist in the world. first my mother is cherrie, i am half black and half white, and i know she is as educated as she sounds. if you would like to continue your tirade in person i am at uco every tuesday and thursday for class.

the day america no longer exists will be a day of celebration for the rest of the world

i think you all have missed the point of the story. if she had been a christian girl that had to wear a scarf or could not wear her cross to work you all would be up in arms ready to burn the store down. i am sad that oklahoma would want to put the image of small minded people out to the world. although religion is the main idea in the article it is not the only reason. this country was founded on freedom not on religion. our founding fathers believed in the freedom of religion so much they seperated the powers of church and state. although every one has the right say what they like, no one has the right to take food out of another persons mouth because they do not believe like you do. on the matter of september 1 2001 the reason no one apologized is because they were not on the plane. no christian group has come out to apologized for Mcvaghy, the unabomber, or even the btk killer( all that claimed to be christian),it is prejudice that caused the near extinction of the native americans, that brought about world war one and the oppression of any people not white during the civil right movement and before. it is closed minded people that believe what they hear, only see a situation from their side, and never try to understand any one not like them. like i said you all should be ashamed,i have never bee more embarrassed for the state i live. you all are feeding the stereotype the world has of you.

And by the way, the Iraq war is not a religious war. There are however 26 religious wars/conflicts being fought in the world today and Muslims are involved in 23 of them.

No Logan, Christians are not doing the same thing. For instance, there is NO Governor's Evangelical Christian American Advisory Council and the ACLU would never allow one. But the silence of the ACLU over the Governor's Ethnic/Islamic American Advisory Council is deafening.

I find it funny how people complain about Muslims picking fights against non-Muslim entities, yet Christians do the exact same thing. *coughiraqcough*

Cherrie if you were half as educated about the history of this great nation as you try to convince everyone you are, you might be dangerous. But everything you've claimed here is right out of the "shove Islam down their throats" playbook. I know, because I've been studying that playbook for years. Probably since before you were born. And I can tell from what you've posted here that you're most likely one more black person that's donned the Muslim attitude because it fills that gigantic unwarranted chip you have on your shoulder.

So next, retail stores can be sued for declining employment to gangbangers who insist on wearing their colors and that have gang tattoos on their necks, arms, faces, and hands?

The group also is asking for Abercrombie employees to receive workplace sensitivity and diversity training. This means they want them to be forced to receive indoctrination into Islam and they want to control who gives it to them. They're demanding this from every single company and government agency that says "no" to special treatment of Muslims.

You're being set up folks. All this being offended is nothing but forcing Islam on this society. Ask a Muslim why women are forced to wear the hijab and they'll tell you it's not a religious requirement, that it's a matter of choice. But when they're told they need to remove it for driver's license photos or to get a job and it suddenly becomes a religious requirement. These lawsuits are just another form of jihad, "fight them wherever you can." And because Americans are showing they are weak in knowledge about Islam and caving into the political correct pressure of the ever fearful in our society they're slaying you in the courts.

There is a young Muslim lady working at the McDonalds at 122nd NE and I-35. She wears the scarf and full costume. Its kind of an oxymoron though because she happily serves up the sausage biscuits. A devout Muslim would never handle a pork product as it is the most unclean animal on earth. It has been long suggested that the US and its allies put a small cavity of pork fat in all shells and ammo rounds as it would not only kill the opposed but send them straight to hell. But word is that they would see it as a holy war and embolden them even more. At the same time it was considered fun to throw a Hormel ham on the front doors of a Mosque. It puts them into a panic and they have to re-bless the whole structure all over again. I can't imagine a Muslim working at places like Hot Topic, Hollister, Spencer's, or Abercrombie, but that is not to say they cannot apply. If these organization don't want to hire them, it needs to be for a general dislike of the person. There's no law against refusing to hire someone you just don't like. But to not hire them for a protected status, that's financial suicide.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898

Discrimination of any type is wrong and shouldn't be part of our society but there are threads of truth to most of the arguments below. Muslims need to understand that there are places where traditional clothing won't be acceptible. Someone used the example of Hooters - I doubt that hijab would work there! The main point I want to bring up is that if the Muslim community in this country wanted to gain the support of 75% of the people below, it should spend as much time out on the streets protesting the barbaric murders and bombings carried out by their extremist fellow-Muslims around the world as they do filing suits for discrimination. They should worry about weeding out and publicly warning against the radical imams preaching hate, death and destruction of this society as they do griping about not being allowed to wear hijab's. People in this country will be far more acceptible of moderate Muslims if they come out, loud and strong, consistent and clear, that they do not support and publicly denounce at every opportunity those who take advantage of our freedoms to urge the end of freedom - which is radical Islam.

If I were the owner of a shop that sold things like books of science, or rocks, or fossils, I definitely wouldn't hire anyone who insisted on wearing a cross or crucifix or any symbol of execution around her neck.

Enjoying your rights in America are you Cherrie, because if you were in the Islamic homeland right now, you would be beating and reminded of your inferior position from a man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7qiO3Ygnk

I see ignorance is alive and well in Oklahomo...especially on this message board. Keep being afraid, stupid people.

Hey Cherrie, i guess you turn a blind eye to all your fellow muslim brothers that sell crack on the corners, rob and kill people and pimp their women. Oh, my bad, it's ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE'S FAULT!!You don't have a problem with religion, you have a problem with white people. I see your racist type all day long. Since the majority of christians are white, your christian hating religion fits you well. Black people like you are the most hate-filled racists that walk the planet today.

Where does that say "Employment shall not be prohibited if you wear something stupid on your head". I see something in there about religion - but as far as I'm concerned Muslim's are full of hate and they get all tiffy (especially the 'converts')http://www.amazon.com/Antichrist-Awaited-Messiah-Joel-Richardson/dp/1414104405/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217559672&sr=8-1

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/emp/faq.html#vii




A. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, 42 U.S.C. §2000e, et seq., prohibits discrimination in employment on the basis of race, sex, national origin and religion. It also is unlawful under the Act for an employer to take retaliatory action against any individual for opposing employment practices made unlawful by Title VII or for filing a discrimination charge or for testifying or assisting or participating in an investigation, proceeding, or hearing under Title VII.


I'm done with you people. I'll pray for all of you and hope you find the truth.

Charles, I am a CONVERT. Are you too dense to understand the concept? I am an American as are all of my relatives. I didn't come here from anywhere and I have the same rights that you do. One of which happens to be FREEDOM of RELIGION. Deal with it.

"Lynn, yes I would be cool about a store refusing to hire someone who insisted on wearing a cross as a part of his/her jewelry if that is the store's policy. Taking the cross off during working hours because of company policy doesn't make you less of a christian."

And according to the LAW, Tim, you would be wrong. And I, unlike you would fight alongside that Christian to be able to wear hear religious attire or jewelry.

Tim, I'm not a "sista". I'm a Black woman and I'm far from offbase. The last time I checked, I didn't see muslims, shooting Planned Parenthood doctors, terrorizing Americans as part of the KKK, Church of the World Creator, Aryan Nation. Muslims didn't drag James Byrd through Jasper, Texas. Muslims aren't serial killers (do you really need a list?) and right here at home.. what about McVeigh? I'm more concerned with straightening out MY country than I am with what other people do in their countries.

Don, you have no idea what muslims believe. How many of us do you know? I, however, KNOW your history of hatred, bigotry, racism. Check your own religious beliefs and doctrines. You'll be surprised to find that Christian women are supposed to cover as well. And please explain how Paul having a dream translates into being able to eat swine?

Did you know that muslims believe in the virgin birth? We also believe that Jesus (who was a JEW) was a prophet of God.

More people showing ignorance. Go ahead and help Rinehart write another comic book and do your part to show Oklahomans as the backwards, ignorant, bigots that we are turning out to be.

robespierre, how about doing it together with a pig's belly? oh that's right, you cannot eat pork just like the jewish people, sorry.

I smell a setup. Stand by for more of this!!!! Diversity and sensitivity training, for who?
How about for the Muslims.

I will be shopping at Abercrombie's.Muslims come to this country and expect to be catered to in their pathological hatred of women.I wouldn't want to be waited on by some headscarfed girl.This store should be able to hire whoever they feel is the most competent.CAIR is a bunch of bellicose Muslim radicals.

Don, Well said!

She Lynn? Exactly what church you a deacon of? The last time I checked the Lord Jesus Christ was a HE.

Tim, I agree with you. I am a Southern Baptist and I can tell you that we don't worship the same God that the Muslims do. Not to say that we are right or wrong in our beliefs--just that we don't serve the same God. We serve the risen Christ and put all our faith in Him and are awaiting His return for His people.

Lynn, as a deacon in your church can you tell me where the bible addresses the worshipping of Islam?

fine Tom, as long as its sauce for both goose and gander. I think that insisting on wearing religious outfits is not cool. Now refusing to hire someone because he or she is a Muslim, Christian or whatever is not cool.

Lynn, yes I would be cool about a store refusing to hire someone who insisted on wearing a cross as a part of his/her jewelry if that is the store's policy. Taking the cross off during working hours because of company policy doesn't make you less of a christian.

Oh BTW, b, won't answer it or can't?

Might surpise you that I'm a Christian, B. Been a deacon in my church at that.

meant to say "how" we worship instead of "who" but many Christian and Muslims would go along with the "who" business.

I will not even dignify that question with an answer Lynn...you must be part of the left liberal idiots that are trying to remove Christ from everything. I feel sorry for you

and, Tim, as a Christian you believe that Christianity and Islam are equal in the eyes of God since She doesn't mind who we worship as long as we do it in the spirit of love, humility, and justice.

Wow Cherrie! A sista could not be more way off base! Yes, it may not be christian for men to ogle naked women, but the last time I checked I didn't see christian men flying planes into the world trade center killing 3000+ people in the name of religion. The problem with muslims is that they think their religion is the ONLY religion and that it can't exist with others. I still haven't heard a leading muslim apologize for 9/11. Why? I know why. Because deep in his heart he believes islam must prevail over christianity. Thanks for letting me vent. Now i'm going to go back and cling to my guns and my religion.

So, you guys would be cool about a store refusing to hire someone who insisted on wearing a cross as a part of his/her jewelry?

Exactly Don, or I am black...if you don't hire me...or you fire me...I'll scream discrimination...to which I say "Fine call Al Sharpton".

The muslims are coming! The muslims are coming! Here we go again folks.........under attack from the inside. Just google michigan muslims and see what these people are trying to do to this country.

Donna, you are right. But, here is the real problem..people like this teenager in this story gets told that she won't be hired because of her head wrap or whatever it's called. So, hence lawsuit. That is absurb. We as employers have policies. My place of employment says if you have a tatoo cover it up, body piercings...take them out..that is our right as the employer. It has nothing to do with religion. I don't care if you have a cross tatooed on you or the devil...cover it up. People like Cherrie will always cry prejudice when maybe they just weren't qualified for the job. I don't even justify those accusations from applicants. I don't give them reason to. I just say...sorry you just aren't who I'm looking for. They can draw their own conclusions and usually unfortunately it is...I'm black...I'm hispanic.... I'm muslim when acutally, they just don't fit what I am looking for.

Cherrie, I am a Christain and make no apology for being so. However, when I have applied for a job, I didn't indicate to any of my employers that he or she had to accept any conditions regarding my religion or be threatend with a lawsuit. This is nothing but just a setup to try to squeeze some money out of an individual or company.

Jimmy, why is that when you try to preach to me about christianity, I'm supposed to accept that being forced down my throat, but when you are told facts about things you apparently have no knowledge you're being "preached to"?

Instead of bashing people for not thinking like you, why not practice some true religious principles and denounce your adulterous, skank role models? Go down to NightTrips or Ecstacy and tell those CHRISTIAN girls to put their clothes back on and tell those Christian married men to pray for forgiveness?
Peactice what you claim to preach and stop being such a hypocrite. I'll be waiting to see you all on the news if you really do it.

Cherrie/OKC - you're right, Thomas Jefferson was in fact a Deist. As far as I am concerned, all religions are fine unless and until somebody tries to take it all a bit too far. Isn't that really where the roots of terrorism lie - in extremism? Jimmy/Sandy Shores, I can't seem to go anywhere without being told to "have a blessed day" ... what would you have me tell those folks? And don't loads of our friendly politicians use their religion to gain and keep employment? Is it just me or does Christian seem to equal hypocrite a lot more often lately? (No offense intended to anyone who actually *acts* like a Christian.)

P.S. Cherrie preach your religion to someone who asked you to do so. Most people do not use their religion to gain employment or apologies.

What a croc, anything to drum up a lawsuit.

John, there are cases of religious discrimination against christians. We fight for their rights too.
And Cullen, that's the great thing about AMERICA. I would surmise that my ancestors have been here alot longer than yours. I'm a 9th generation american. What about you?

I agree with almost all of you. Political correctness has run amuck in this country. Tom however, is right also. Whoever told that teenage girl why she wasn't going to be hired wasn't very educated in hiring practices and what can and cannot be said or asked.

I hafta wonder what the reaction would be if this was a Baptist girl who was told this because of the cross she was wearing?

Cherrie, if you think oklahoma is that bad... move...

Cullen, the founding fathers were Deists. They left England because they didn't want religious persecution. Check your facts.
BTW- the oldest mosque in the US was built in the 1800s. When Atlanta was burned during the civil war, there were Qurans there.
What Christian values, praytell, are monopolized by Christians? The universal truths belong to everyone. Character, integrity, unconditional love. If I cut you, won't you bleed? Doesn't matter if you're a christian, jew, muslim, rich, poor, black or white. In the eyes of God we're all equal.
Get over yourself and get educated. You're making Oklahoma look worse than it is.

Don, I just happen to be a Muslim, born and raised in America as were my parents and their parents. My distant relatives were kidnapped and brought here against their will.
Part of the AMERICAN custom is to practice the religion of your choice. Even before I converted to Islam, there were employers who wouldn't hire me because I'm black. How is this any different?

Why not tell all Catholics that the Pope lives in Rome and if they want to follow his directives,they need to move there?

Tom, I agree with what you are saying. But why should everyone have to be so scared of offending someone. This is america founded on christian not islamic, buddahist, satanic, or any other religion. It's time all of us christians stand up and take our country back and put those values back in society. Jon, your dead on...

she should not have any recourse any why do to dress code policies that is set up by the employer if it is not part of the dress code then you can not wear it

Another thing. When are some employers going to learn that they are not compelled to tell an applicant why he/she is not suitable or selected for employment? In this article it is reported that she was told her Islamic headscarf, or hijab, "does not fit the company's image." Wrong! Abercrombie would have been better off just saying, We’ll call you if you are selected. The teen then would have had no legal recourse.

One has a right to practice their religion but not on an employer’s nickle.

Jon, in this case you're absolutely correct!

I agree with Jon. She needs to conform to our customs in America--not the other way around.

I think she should apply to Hooters.

Completely agree with Jon 100%.

Jon, Oklahma City. Could not have said it any better. Well written and well thought out.

Give me a break, folks. This sounds suspiciously like someone with an axe to grind, and I'm sure it'll get nicely sharpened.

I am so unbelievably sick of that (increasingly prevalent) element within our society that equates being offended as a criminal act. Life ain't fair, folk, and it never, ever will be.

As reprehensible as I find A&F in general, if they don't want to hire someone who doesn't fit their image, so be it. Ever see obese chicks working at Hooters? Asians bussing tables at Chelino's? Why stir up trouble.

Some of you seriously need to get over yourselves and work harder at getting along.

I'm so sick of political correctness...

To Richard, get stuffed.

to cair, get stuffed